Was Charles Darwin a fraud?

[River Jordan]

That is correct.

They could memorize it and make it a new year's resolution to adhere to it.

What do you mean by that?

But as soon as they pass that front door, their new year's resolution gets abandoned.

Else they'll end up eventually getting terminated.

Do you believe if scientists would adhere to your interpretations of scripture in their work, they would get better results than from what they've gotten under the current method?

 

[AV1611VET]

By the misidentification of a single fossilized tooth of an extinct pecary by a man called Henry Fairfield Osborn.

I have a feeling ALL binomials are changed by initial misidentification.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I have a feeling ALL binomials are changed by initial misidentification.

Gut or in the trick knee kind of way?

 

[AV1611VET]

I guess I really have lost track of your point.

My intent is not to get anyone to change their beliefs or interpretations. The main thing I'm focused on is persuading some Christians to stop pitting scripture and Christianity against science. It's driving some people away from the faith.

And giving science carte blanche drives people toward the faith?

 

[AV1611VET]

You mean his own family who actually knew him and were with him when he died despite the claims made by a woman 30 years after Darwin died? Those academians?

As I said, same thing happened in my family as well, when dad died.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

As I said, same thing happened in my family as well, when dad died.

It's really not the same thing at all. Though out of respect and general niceness, I won't pry.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's not how genetic testing works. Did you really think geneticists are like "Well the sequences are similar so they must be related"? Is that really all you think there is to it?

Yes.

 

[River Jordan]

And giving science carte blanche drives people toward the faith?

I don't know what you mean by "giving science carte blanche", since most people aren't in a position to dictate anything to science one way or another.

But yes, I know from experience that explaining to people that they don't have to choose between science and following Christ helps in our Great Commission.

 

[River Jordan]

Yes.

Can you show any examples of geneticists working in such a simplistic manner? Where specifically did you get the impression that that's how genetic testing is conducted?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I guess I really have lost track of your point.

My intent is not to get anyone to change their beliefs or interpretations. The main thing I'm focused on is persuading some Christians to stop pitting scripture and Christianity against science. It's driving some people away from the faith.

And this may be where you and I are slightly different. I don't try to get other Christians to change their beliefs or interpretations about how they view "origins" and their interpretation of Genesis.

However, I do ask other Christians to desist from beating upon my own personal view. But, whatever they choose to do, I'm not going to drop my faith in Christ simply because they continue to beat upon my views.

 

[AV1611VET]

This!!!

Ya -- don't you dare disagree with scientific consensus, or I'll go reprobate!

You tell science to take a hike, and I'll just throw out all these benefits:

Psalm 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

Psalm 51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

 

[River Jordan]

And this may be where you and I are slightly different. I don't try to get other Christians to change their beliefs or interpretations about how they view "origins" and their interpretation of Genesis.

Neither do I so I'm not clear where we differ.

However, I do ask other Christians who beat upon my own personal view to desist.

Understandable.

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you believe if scientists would adhere to your interpretations of scripture in their work, they would get better results than from what they've gotten under the current method?

Do you believe God would help them more?

 

[River Jordan]

Do you believe God would help them more?

Maybe, but I don't presume to speak for God.

Now that I answered your question, please answer mine. Do you believe if scientists would adhere to your interpretations of scripture in their work, they would get better results than from what they've gotten under the current method?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Neither do I so I'm not clear where we differ.

Well, you did say, "The main thing I'm focused on is persuading some Christians to stop pitting scripture and Christianity against science. It's driving some people away from the faith."

The problem here is that some Christians do think that Scripture and Science are diametrically opposed. You and I know that's not the case, but they firmly see it otherwise due to other prior beliefs their present view of the Christian Faith is predicated upon.

You and I would have to deal with the predicates rather than the seemingly annoying issue at hand. Doing so isn't always possible when those predicates are a matter of personal trust in the sources from which they've derived their underlying framework on "how" the Bible is to be understood and supported.

 

[AV1611VET]

Though out of respect and general niceness, I won't pry.

QV please:

You don't know the whole story, chief, because you weren't there.

My dad, over the years, tried to get me to go to church with him.

He also tried to make amends for his wrongdoings with his daughter and got hung up on, the door shut in his face, and his mail returned to sender.

Later, after he died, and my sister started on him about how he never apologized for any of his wrongdoings, I pointed this out to her.

Now we're alienated from each other.

She also says he never got saved.

I disagree.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

QV please:



She also says he never got saved.

I disagree.

As I said, it's not really the same thing at all. Like... not remotely the same at all.

 

[AV1611VET]

Maybe, but I don't presume to speak for God.

Now that I answered your question, please answer mine. Do you believe if scientists would adhere to your interpretations of scripture in their work, they would get better results than from what they've gotten under the current method?

Yes.

 

[AV1611VET]

As I said, it's not really the same thing at all. Like... not remotely the same at all.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Did... nope, scratch that. That sentence was not going to work at all. But regardless, your situation of you and your sister not talking because of a lack of family communication is not the same as someone saying something about someone who had been dead for over 30 years by the time they told their story.