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Was Charles Darwin a fraud?

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And you have no reason not to believe it.
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Sure i do as i nave never seen any evidence presented by science, that is simply just a claim. It is just that in the science world it is called and accepted as evidence. But the science world does not count as being the decider or establisher of truth.
 
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Actually going to the 'source' the OP gives, the video is based around a weird claim that Darwin's family financed Alfred Russel Wallace, a contemporary anthropologist and explorer, to do the work for them and then have Charles Darwin claim it as his own.

Which wouldn't work since Wallace and Darwin collaborated, and it was actually Wallace's own writings that spurred Darwin to write On The Origin of Species as an abstract that became the actual book. They also actually helped with each other's research since Wallace was much further travelled than Darwin (having been to places like the Amazon, Borneo and other such places), thereby helping Darwin with the newly found idea of natural selection.

The also main difference between the two is that Darwin focused on the competition within species as the driving force for natural selection and evolution, while Wallace focused on the environment being the driving force for natural selection.

So, again: a big fat NO to Darwin being a fraud.

But of course it's the internet so anyone can put anything out there and claim it as fact.
 
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No. i am saying that is how The Bible works on faith and that is also how science works on faith. It is just that people of science will not admit they work on faith. But instead claim it is evidence.
Which bit of science is faith based? You sound like you are implying science is a religion?
 
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Which bit of science is faith based? You sound like you are implying science is a religion?
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Origin of life science, you are on here defending one of their prophets and his beliefs (claims).
 
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Origin of life science, you are on here defending one of their prophets and his beliefs (claims).
Origin of life? You mean abiogenesis? What does that have to do with Darwin?
 
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Origin of life? You mean abiogenesis? What does that have to do with Darwin?
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I mean any area of science that tries to give an account about God's creation. The revelation has already been given by the creator any added information is just made up speculation.
 
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Which doesn't line up with the history of God's creation.
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The sin nature makes that statement.
Let science create a seed (from nothing) and then grow a completely new flower, plant or tree from this seed.
 
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Maybe you have never read where God created male and female. No where in The Bible is it stated God created life by a process of evolution. If a person claims God created by the process of evolution. They are calling God a liar and the account in The Bible a lie.
Understanding that the Creation story in the Bible is the story of an ancient middle-eastern tribe and how they understood things isn't calling God a liar. But it sure isn't what God's own Creation is showing us.
 
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Nope. Cannot see how pointing out that Darwin wasn't a fraud applies to that verse from the Bible. Try again.

In other words, Darwin could have robbed a bank, burned down his school, and married his -- er -- skip that one, and still ended up highly venerated.
 
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In other words, Darwin could have robbed a bank, burned down his school, and married his -- er -- skip that one, and still ended up highly venerated.

So you admit that him discovering the theory of evolution was a good thing then? An act of charity as it were?
 
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Understanding that the Creation story in the Bible is the story of an ancient middle-eastern tribe ...

Pray tell.

What tribe was Adam from?
 
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So you admit that him discovering the theory of evolution was a good thing then? An act of charity as it were?

Evolution was being discussed long before Darwin came along.

He used to listed to his father and grandfather argue about it.

In fact, evolution was a hot topic all over, but no one could describe it accurately.

What Darwin did, was invent the breakthrough technology -- called natural selection -- that got evolution moving forward again.
 
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Evolution was being discussed long before Darwin came along.

He used to listed to his father and grandfather argue about it.

In fact, evolution was a hot topic all over, but no one could describe it accurately.

What Darwin did, was invent the breakthrough technology -- called natural selection -- that got evolution moving forward again.

I'll repeat my question:
So you admit that him discovering the theory of evolution was a good thing then? An act of charity as it were?
 
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I'll repeat my question:
So you admit that him discovering the theory of evolution was a good thing then? An act of charity as it were?

Darwin didn't discover the theory of evolution.
 
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Darwin didn't discover the theory of evolution.

In its most recent form, he did.

Now stop splitting hairs and answer the question put to you: So you admit that him discovering the theory of evolution was a good thing then? An act of charity as it were?
 
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Then why are you in a science sub fora? You only believe what science tells us when it suits you?
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In areas of creation, i believe nothing that science states.
In areas of inventing objects that can be shown to work and be useful, i have no problem.
Science just should have stayed in their place God has given them to operate. But instead in a similar way satan did, they ventured into areas they should not have gone.

So now many scientist who now try to explain life, if they venture outside of what The Bible states, has to resort to fabrications. But since that area is basically atheist occupied, they cannot see the fraud they are believing in.
 
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In areas of creation, i believe nothing that science states.
In areas of inventing objects that can be shown to work and be useful, i have no problem.
Science just should have stayed in their place God has given them to operate. But instead in a similar way satan did, they ventured into areas they should not have gone.

So now many scientist who now try to explain life, if they venture outside of what The Bible states, has to resort to fabrications. But since that area is basically atheist occupied, they cannot see the fraud they are believing in.

Since science is the study of the natural world, and the natural world was created by God...
 
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Sure i do as i nave never seen any evidence presented by science, that is simply just a claim. It is just that in the science world it is called and accepted as evidence. But the science world does not count as being the decider or establisher of truth.
And I've seen absolutely no evidence of the Biblical creation story. In the same breath, I've seen a LOT of evidence of the creation story that science has opened up for us.
 
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