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If you do not understand the paradoxes in life then you have not figured out anything yet.
How about I ask them how we got our moon?You can ask 10 physicists from all over the world, with different cultural backgrounds, different religions, etc... to describe gravity and you'll get 1 description.
Yet all ten believe IN THE BEGINNING, GOD.DogmaHunter said:Ask 10 christians to describe what their bible says on a given subject and you'll get 10 different versions.
That is what I said, you do not know how to understand or make sense out of a paradox.Again, no sense at all.
There is a women that has a computer model that they feel is the most accurate explanation for how we got our moon. Of course your point is that most everything in science is little more than a guess that goes through constant change and revision. We just hope that they do not kill people off before then see the error of their way. Of course when it comes to implementing weapons of mass destruction they are bound and determined to be able to destroy this world many times over. They just fall all over themselves to see who can produce the most destruction.How about I ask them how we got our moon?
All ten of them? from different cultural backgrounds, religions, and scientific disciplines?They'll tell you it's the result of a collision in the early solar system of earth with another proto-planet and that the moon formed out of the debris that was left orbitting the earth.
They already won that distinction when they colluded to have "child in the womb" plutoed to "fetus."They just fall all over themselves to see who can produce the most destruction.
Just who is this one person that you are talking about. I will say this again. Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago. There are many many many things that they were the first of but that does not mean that there was NOTHING before them. Of course being the first at something is not unique. They say there is a first time for everything. Just like there is a first time for everyone.If you have a text from which one person can conclude that the world is 6000 years old
My father was a surgeon. You have to remove something from the body that is a destructive force so the body can mend and heal itself. A knife in the hand of a surgeon can bring about health and healing. A knife in the hand of a cook can be used to prepare food to feed people. A knife in the hand of a carpenter can be used to build a house to shelter people from the harsh elements.They already won that distinction when they colluded to have "child in the womb" plutoed to "fetus."
Here is the ultimate weapon of mass destruction:
Genesis chapter one is used to talk about a 4.5 billion year old earth. Genesis chapter two on talks about the Garden in Eden and the last 6,000 years. Bishop Ussher has about one and a half pages in his book to talk about what he has to say about Genesis Chapter one. Then Bishop Ussher invests almost 1,000 pages talking and explaining the rest of the Bible. He has over 12,000 footnotes of references that he uses in addition to the over 2,000 references from the Bible.If you have a text from which one person can conclude that the world is 6000 years old while another can conclude that it is 4.5 billion years old
Just who is this one person that you are talking about.
I will say this again. Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago. There are many many many things that they were the first of but that does not mean that there was NOTHING before them. Of course being the first at something is not unique. They say there is a first time for everything. Just like there is a first time for everyone.
It really doesn't matter if YOU think they are real people or not.
They still symbolically or allegorically represent the beginning of a major transition for mankind. This is why as literature the story has lasted for so long. There are universals archetypes represented in this story.
Everyone is entitled to their own interpretation and their own understanding.
The Bible gives us a BIG clue: as usual there is ONLY ONE word but the question is what does that word mean. With Adam the word is "cultivate" or "till". Another word we see with Adam is Husband. This has more to do with than just his wife. They still use the world animal husbandry. We know that farming involved breeding animals and farming involved cultivating the plants. Adam was there in the beginning of the agricultural revolution and the beginning of civilization and the first city. Adam as a man represents all of mankind. Of course he was a patriarch so he had a lot of descendants. Eve also as a patriarch and a common ancestor has a lot of descendants. She was the mother of many.And just what were they "the first" of?
It does not matter to me. IF you do not want to regard the story as literal then just deal with it as literature. You can work with it that way if you want the Bible to have meaning and application for you in your life.It doesn't matter what anyone "believes" these people were - real or otherwise. What matters, is the evidence of reality. Got any?
If you are not into religion then like I said, just treat the Bible as literature. That way you can receive some benefit from ancient teachings that have survived the test of time.Sure. And the same goes for just about all religious role from all religions.
Thor has a hammer.
The problem is that all these opinions are presented as "the one and only truth" and in many cases, it even comes with the qualifier of "...and if you don't believe me, you'll burn in hell".
Did anyone claim it did?
No. Scientists surely can have religious beliefs. But that is not the same thing.
The beliefs of scientists are irrelevant to their scientific work.
Science is build on the evidence of reality - regardless of religious beliefs.
I'ld expect that people from the same religion who read the same book, would hold the same beliefs.
I can ask 100 biologists about the mechanisms of evolution and I'll get the same answer from each of them.
I can ask 100 physicists about the properties of atoms and I'll get the same answer from each of them.
But if I ask 100 christians about the flood or genesis, I get 100 different answers.
Adam and Eve weren't real people.
It is demonstrably false that human population at one point consisted of a single breeding pair. It is simply false.
And how do you propose to discover the truth?
I do.
The Bible gives us a BIG clue: as usual there is ONLY ONE word but the question is what does that word mean. With Adam the word is "cultivate" or "till". Another word we see with Adam is Husband. This has more to do with than just his wife. They still use the world animal husbandry. We know that farming involved breeding animals and farming involved cultivating the plants. Adam was there in the beginning of the agricultural revolution and the beginning of civilization and the first city. Adam as a man represents all of mankind. Of course he was a patriarch so he had a lot of descendants. Eve also as a patriarch and a common ancestor has a lot of descendants. She was the mother of many.
Also as a husband and wife Adam and Eve were different. Genesis 2:24 "For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh". Before Adam and Eve people lived as a clan. Now Adam and Eve were going to split off from the group and begin their own family. So marriage takes on a new meaning with Adam and Eve.
This is two examples of what Adam and Eve were the first of. Many books could be written on this subject but based on your attitude this is enough to give you for now.
It does not matter to me.
IF you do not want to regard the story as literal then just deal with it as literature. You can work with it that way if you want the Bible to have meaning and application for you in your life.
Here is a class at Yale University that deal with the Bible as literature. Maybe that can be of help for you.
If you are not into religion then like I said, just treat the Bible as literature. That way you can receive some benefit from ancient teachings that have survived the test of time.
That compares to a God that died for you??
Some things in the bible are a matter of salvation of your soul, others are not. God is the one that decides if you spend eternity with Him or go to hell ( personally do not believe in an everlasting burning hell---there is a hell, we quibble over if it is eternal or not.)
No, but you guys always want to blame us for all the evil in the world and never seem to include yourselves.
Wrong. Scientific discoveries are slanted to what the personal believes of anyone is.
When presented with something, if you do not believe in God or anything in the bible, that possibility is absolutely not taken into consideration
---such as the flood----it could not have happened
no matter if there are seashells on top of mountains just about everywhere
, there still could not have been a flood, only several local ones.
The thought is never even given any consideration.
That is the way it should be--but isn't.
There are absolutes and there are those things that have variables.
When you deal with faith, whether it is faith in a big bang, or faith in the big bang being God spoke and it was done--they are both faith--
you can not in any way shape or form, reproduce, scientifically, either position.
And you most certainly will not get 100 different answers to the question of the flood.
99% of believers, do believe in a flood
, there are some that think it was perhaps regional. Some question if it is perhaps an allegory. But it will not be 100 different answers.
According to you, not us.
We say it happened.
They were created perfect, with perfect health and genes and with DNA that was not flawed and did not pass on any flaws yet. They carried all genes and DNA needed to provide the various differences in colors and so on. One woman could give birth to several hundred children over at least 600 hundred years (today one woman can give birth to over 22 chidren ) Before that one woman stopped giving birth, her children would have been reproducing for several hundred years. There were no flaws to pass on and brothers and sisters and close relatives married. It was not banned until long after the flood when genetics did become flawed.
By the time Adam and eve died, they were scalp deep in progeny. You do not believe that the human body can live till almost 1000 years, yet they have found living sharks that are over 270 years old and is being debated quite aggressively that it could be over 500 years.
Scientists didn’t discover a 512-year-old shark, probably
Not the first to ask--
Joh 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
Joh_18:38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.
Joh_1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Joh_1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Joh_14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh_15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Joh_16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Joh_16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Joh_17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
why???
Of course if you have a high regard for Hindu literature then all the more you should hold Hebrew literature in high regard. The point is that Hindu or Hebrew you have to follow the rules. You can not be lawless and disregard science.Then I'ld be better of learning about hinduism
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