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Back to topic - Was Adam perfect before the fall ???
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I guess the term Carnal believer which doesn't occur in scripture suggests the Elect can be carnal - this is what I object to. Carnal means being animal - particularly sexually - an offensive term.
I have no problem with suggesting unbelievers can be 'carnal' but the Elect - no.
Amen to that!Back to topic - Was Adam perfect before the fall ???
In 1 Cor 3:1-5 a carnal believer is called "a babe in Christ" feeding on the milk of the Gospel just as Paul has given it."Apart from Me, you can do nothing". That means what it says. The works that originate from self are nothing in God's sight. Read 1 Corinthians 3:12 also. Much that many Christians boast about will be judged as worthless because it was initiated by them and not by God.
I guess the term Carnal believer which doesn't occur in scripture suggests the Elect can be carnal - this is what I object to. Carnal means being animal - particularly sexually - an offensive term.
I have no problem with suggesting unbelievers can be 'carnal' but the Elect - no.
thanks. otherwise it looks to me like a false accusation on your part. Having some fact would be helpful
That is what the unregenerate do---set their mind on the flesh.Paul is saying that those who set their mind on the flesh cannot subject themselves to the law and cannot please God.
1Co 2:14 is about those without the Spirit; i.e., the unregenerate.1 Corinthians 2:14 is about Christians who are immature in their faith. Continue reading the next 5 verses.
“But a natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. But the one who is spiritual discerns all things, yet he himself is discerned by no one. For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he will instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ. “And I, brothers and sisters, could not speak to you as spiritual people, but only as fleshly, as to infants in Christ. I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to consume it. But even now you are not yet able, for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like ordinary people?
1 Corinthians 2:14-16 - 1 Corinthians 3:1-3
The unregenerate are spiritually blind, they must be born again to be able to even see the kingdom of God.John 3:3 simply says a person must be born again to enter the kingdom of God. John 3:16 however says that God so loved THE WORLD. It doesn’t say He so loved the elect. And WHOSOEVER believes in Him not whosoever God elected to believe in Him. He sent His Son to save THE WORLD. He paid for the sins of THE WHOLE WORLD. The Father sent His Son to be the SAVIOR OF THE WORLD.
"Apart from Me, you can do nothing". That means what it says. The works that originate from self are nothing in God's sight. Read 1 Corinthians 3:12 also. Much that many Christians boast about will be judged as worthless because it was initiated by them and not by God.
1Co 2:14 is about those without the Spirit; i.e., the unregenerate.
The "natural man" in Paul's writing is the unregenerate, the man without the Spirit (Ro 8:6-9).No it’s not, it’s in reference to those who set their mind on the flesh and not on the Spirit. Do you think it’s just a coincidence that he made this statement right before correcting the carnal Corinthians? There’s nothing in the surrounding context that indicates this was in reference to unbelievers or unregenerate people. There is however evidence to support that it was in reference to immature carnal believers.
That is what the unregenerate do---set their mind on the flesh.
1Co 2:14 is about those without the Spirit; i.e., the unregenerate.
The "natural man" in Paul's writing is the unregenerate, the man without the Spirit (Ro 8:6-9).
The "spiritual man" in Paul's writing is the regenerate.
The unregenerate are spiritually blind, they must be born again to be able to even see the kingdom of God.
Yes, Paul is addressing their divisions and the causes by their wrong conceptions, one of them being a wrong conception of the gospel, which he is clarifying there.It’s also what the Corinthians did in 1 Corinthians. He began talking about their boasting and arguing about being a follower of Apollos or follower of Paul in chapter 1 then mentions it again in chapter 3. All three chapters are about carnal Christians boasting & arguing and again in chapter 5 he mentions their boasting about the one committing sexual immorality with his father’s wife. The Corinthians were not unregenerate they were carnal Christians.
“for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like ordinary people?”
1 Corinthians 3:3 NASB2020
“Are you not walking like ordinary people (like mere men)”?
They were walking like mere men because they were not spiritually discerned, their focus was on boasting and worldly recognition, not on the Spirit.
One can't even see, much less believe in, the kingdom of God until he is born again (Jn 3:3-5).They’re spiritually blind to the guidance of the Holy Spirit because they don’t have the Holy Spirit but they are not spiritually blind to the gospel unless they by their own choice choose to reject it.