Warning! Hell thread.

[Project Panda]

For those who are going to hell, will it be a state of being or an actual place of fiery torment? If it's a state of being, does that mean if you die content you will remain content? If it's a fiery place of torment, how exactly are those people tormented?

 

[Landon Caeli]

For those who are going to hell, will it be a state of being or an actual place of fiery torment? If it's a state of being, does that mean if you die content you will remain content? If it's a fiery place of torment, how exactly are those people tormented?

God is the source of all happiness, joy contentness, etc. Hell is completely absent of God, therefore is also absent of all joy, happiness, contentness, etc. Any other questions?

 

[Alpha.Omega]

There is no evidence from the Bible, that the "fire" of hell, as in "eternal punishment", is to be understood in the literal sense. This does not mean that there will be no "pain and suffering", as this Jesus Himself teaches that there will be, "wailing and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 8:12; 13:42, etc) in the after-life of the lost, who will be conscious all the time (Revelation 14:11)

 

[Alpha.Omega]

God is the source of all happiness, joy contentness, etc. Hell is completely absent of God, therefore is also absent of all joy, happiness, contentness, etc. Any other questions?

Yes, I have a question. will those who go to hell, suffer in any way, and will they be conscious of this?

 

[Micah888]

There is no evidence from the Bible, that the "fire" of hell, as in "eternal punishment", is to be understood in the literal sense...

I'm not sure why you would say that. According to Christ eternal punishment was to be understood in its plain literal sense, without any embellishment.

Here is one passage that presents it quite clearly and literally:

REVELATON 14

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

The "smoke of their torment" confirms both a literal fire and a literal torment, while "for ever and ever " is self-explanatory, and is reinforced with "they have no rest day nor night".

 

[Not David]

God is the source of all happiness, joy contentness, etc. Hell is completely absent of God, therefore is also absent of all joy, happiness, contentness, etc. Any other questions?

Isn't God Omnipresent?

 

[Project Panda]

God is the source of all happiness, joy contentness, etc. Hell is completely absent of God, therefore is also absent of all joy, happiness, contentness, etc. Any other questions?

God is the source of all good feeling's? No, where in the world do you get that idea.

 

[Project Panda]

There is no evidence from the Bible, that the "fire" of hell, as in "eternal punishment", is to be understood in the literal sense. This does not mean that there will be no "pain and suffering", as this Jesus Himself teaches that there will be, "wailing and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 8:12; 13:42, etc) in the after-life of the lost, who will be conscious all the time (Revelation 14:11)

Is it a self inflicted pain, or pain that Jesus himself puts on those in hell?

 

[Oldmantook]

God is the source of all happiness, joy contentness, etc. Hell is completely absent of God, therefore is also absent of all joy, happiness, contentness, etc. Any other questions?

Actually, hell i.e. the lake of fire, is not "completely absent of God" as you assert. Rev 14:10 states "he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb."
Jesus and the angels are present in the lake of fire. The next question would be why are they present?

 

[Alpha.Omega]

I'm not sure why you would say that. According to Christ eternal punishment was to be understood in its plain literal sense, without any embellishment.

Here is one passage that presents it quite clearly and literally:

REVELATON 14

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

The "smoke of their torment" confirms both a literal fire and a literal torment, while "for ever and ever " is self-explanatory, and is reinforced with "they have no rest day nor night".

"fire" is that which "consumes and destroys" anything. There is no need for a literal fire to punish anyone with "pain and suffering". The Greek "πῦρ", which is used in English as "fire", like many words, does not always have the one literal meaning to it. it is used of a "literal fire", "funeral-fire"; "lightning", "light, or heat of the sun...of the stars", "fever heat, violent fever". It is also used metaphorically, for "anxious hope". (see Liddell and Scott's Greek-English lexicon for usage). You can see the wide use of the word.

As I have said, there is no doubt from Jesus' own words, that the "eternal punishment" of the lost, will be "suffering and painful", but what this really is, no person can ever know.

 

[Alpha.Omega]

Is it a self inflicted pain, or pain that Jesus himself puts on those in hell?

The "pain" of hell is the conscious suffering that those who will go there after they die. It is not temporal and self-inflicted, but what God has said will happen to those who do not repent of their sins, and not accept the Lord Jesus as their personal Savior. It is a place that is very real.

 

[Alpha.Omega]

Isn't God Omnipresent?

Yes, it is an attribute of being God, like Omniscience and Omnipotent

 

[Alpha.Omega]

Actually, hell i.e. the lake of fire, is not "completely absent of God" as you assert. Rev 14:10 states "he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb."
Jesus and the angels are present in the lake of fire. The next question would be why are they present?

so exactly where in the Holy Bible do you read, that Jesus Christ and the Angels are IN the lake of fire?

 

[Alpha.Omega]

God is the source of all good feeling's? No, where in the world do you get that idea.

Hell is the opposite of everything that God is. As the devil is

 

[Oldmantook]

so exactly where in the Holy Bible do you read, that Jesus Christ and the Angels are IN the lake of fire?

I cited Rev 14:10. I suggest you read it for yourself and its surrounding context.

 

[Alpha.Omega]

I cited Rev 14:10. I suggest you read it for yourself and its surrounding context.

I have, but don't see what you say anywhere? can you give the exact verse here?

verse 10 says, "in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb", which does not mean that the angels or the Lord Jesus, we actually IN the lake of fire. This is your interpretation of what the Bible actually says

 

[Alpha.Omega]

error

 

[Project Panda]

The "pain" of hell is the conscious suffering that those who will go there after they die. It is not temporal and self-inflicted, but what God has said will happen to those who do not repent of their sins, and not accept the Lord Jesus as their personal Savior. It is a place that is very real.

Real to you now? You know that it exists (Or will exist) because of the Bible, right?

 

[Oldmantook]

I have, but don't see what you say anywhere? can you give the exact verse here?

Rev 14:10
"he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb."
The context involves the consequence of those who accept the mark of the beast - as a result they are consigned to the lake of fire. In the lake of fire they will drink the wine of God's wrath, be tormented with fire and sulfur "in the presence" of the angels and Jesus.

 

[Alpha.Omega]

Real to you now? You know that it exists (Or will exist) because of the Bible, right?

The Bible speaks of "hell" as existing in both Testaments. That is an actual place, and not just a "state of the mind", is clear from Acts 1:25, "That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own PLACE". The Greek τόπος, is used for "place, region", which are actual.