War On Terror

[Dominus Fidelis]

I don't think I will forget this image for awhile.

US Soldiers opened fire on a car failing to stop at a checkpoint despite warning shots being fired. The mother and father were killed. The five children in the back survived.

Yes, the car should have stopped and the soldiers themselves are not to blame. But why did we have to go into Iraq in the first place? This is so messed up. These kids are going to be the next generation of American haters flying planes into buildings. A "War of Terror" that produced more terrorists? Brilliant logic.

 

[Alexis OCA]

Yes, the car should have stopped

Indeed

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

But why are we even there in the first place? To bring democracy to the people? Is this what we had in mind?

 

[Alexis OCA]

I don't think I will forget this image for awhile.

US Soldiers opened fire on a car failing to stop at a checkpoint despite warning shots being fired. The mother and father were killed. The five children in the back survived.

Is that image worse than any other image of war? The bombing of London by the Nazis, the concentration camps, the firebombing of Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the WTC attack for example. Of course the list is endless.

 

[Benedicta00]

Because they want this to be a Muslim world; It isn’t about they just hate Americans, they want the world to be Muslim. I understand Bush’s theory and how freeing the east is what will stop this, but they seem to be just too big for us now. Muslims over took the east and persecuted Christians, that is how these countries became Muslim and they did it by violence. I don’t have a problem with Bush trying to take back the east but I think we don’t have the proper resources right now.

As far as the car not stopping, I personally wouldn't be surprised if they were suicide terrorist. You see this is the problem, when people are willing to die for land they think their God gave them, we can’t win.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

I'm just wondering where the love is at? Turn the other cheek? Iraq didn't even attack us on 9/11.

 

[NDIrish]

 

[Benedicta00]

No, this is what we do not understand, Islam attacked us. Bush's plan to is to get rid of the crazy Islam radicals who want to take over the world and make us all be Muslim. Not to get rid of Muslims or their faith but the power that is Islam who wants to dominate. Why not Iraq? It doesn't matter what soil we fight them on, they are invisible, we are dealing with an invisible enemy, and he isn't only, just BinLaden.

We can take him out and eventually we will, terror will still exist. Bush's plan is to free the east where they are powerless, they have no land that can hide and harbor them because his plan is to get governments and the people to give up this hate by showing them what freedom is. Sadly, although I understand his plan, I don’t think it is going to work because it isn’t God’s time yet.

IMO, all of the east, I don’t care which country it is, I don’t care what they say, they all will willingly harbor terrorist and keep this hate alive because the Muslim belief is this is their world and they are correct and this is God’s will. Bush is trying to show them a better way of life and philosophy but I don’t think it will work, not at this time. We’ll free Iraq to an extent by their will be no real freedom there, we just rid them of a curl ruler but freedom the way we know it is too foreign to these people, they can not comprehend it.

Anyway these are my opinions, I probably am wrong but I get Bush’s plan, I just don’t think it will work at this time. Hope it will though.

 

[Alexis OCA]

These kids are going to be the next generation of American haters flying planes into buildings. A "War of Terror" that produced more terrorists? Brilliant logic.

By your logic the war against Germany should have produced more nazis, or Japan more imperialists. Certain segments of Islamic culture produces terrorists..It did before the war, it will during the war and it will after the war.

Your question 'why' we invaded in the first place has been answered by many others. Apparaently you are not satisfied with the answer and I strongly doubt you would be satisfied now.

On a side note I just love the hypocrisy of of senators Boxer and Kerry who fully supported Clinton's bombing of Iraq because of Saddam's 'possession' of WMDs and yet now, with a straight face no less, have the audacity to question Condi Rice. In there mind Clinton saying Saddam had WMD's was based on solid military intelligence but Bush and Co. were misleading the nation. Politics as usual.

 

[Alexis OCA]

I'm just wondering where the love is at?

Did you ask that question when Saddam gassed the Kurds?

 

[Maximus]

Did you ask that question when Saddam gassed the Kurds?

YOU MUST SPREAD SOME REPUTATION AROUND BEFORE GIVING IT TO GREGCHANT1545 AGAIN.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

GregChant-

I think you need to re-read your signature.

I hate to break it to you guys, but many more Iraqis are dying under our rule than died under Saddam. Its getting worse too.

 

[Maximus]

GregChant-

I think you need to re-read your signature.

I hate to break it to you guys, but many more Iraqis are dying under our rule than died under Saddam. Its getting worse too.

I don't understand the first sentence, and I strongly doubt the last two.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

His signature is St Paul talking about not fighting against flesh and blood.

As for the number of Iraqis dead under our rule, I can get figures if needed.

 

[Maximus]

His signature is St Paul talking about not fighting against flesh and blood.

As for the number of Iraqis dead under our rule, I can get figures if needed.

I saw his signature. I just don't see how it supports your contentions in this thread. One could argue (very persuasively) that the spiritual forces of evil are behind Islam. That is my belief, anyway.

While you're getting those figures, can you find out for how many deaths Saddam is responsible?

Don't forget his long war against Iran, his invasion of Kuwait, his persecution of his own people, and the fact that he brought on this present conflict.

Oh, and let's not forget the missles he launched into Israel and the blood money he paid to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers.

 

[Alexis OCA]

GregChant-

I think you need to re-read your signature.

I hate to break it to you guys, but many more Iraqis are dying under our rule than died under Saddam. Its getting worse too.

I've re-read it as you suggested. I think I'll keep it.

Yes, provide stats...

Three type of lies...Lies, damn lies, and statistics....

You gonna count the Kurds and those who suffered in Saddam's halls of torture too?

 

[Alexis OCA]

GregChant-

I think you need to re-read your signature.

"For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood: but against principalities and powers, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places." -Ephesians 6:12

I think it goes quite nicely considering what we are fighting against. ​

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

100,000 civilians killed under US (mainly airstrikes, lots of women and children)

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2004/10/28/iraq_deaths041028.html

Reality check? Yes, I see the reality of making more people hate us will breed more terrorists.

 

[Dream]

My take on the Iraq War:

I was against it from the very begining, I didn't think it was a good idea and I still don't. But I respect both sides of the argument. It is clear that most people that are pro-Iraq War are not heartless, but truly and honestly think what we are doing is the most humanitarian thing to do. I respect their stance, but disagree.

My objection has to do with people that flip flopped on the war. People like John Kerry and John Edwards support the war when it was in-thing to do, but then changed their stance when the consequences are evident. Come on people, how can you fully support a war and then change your stance when you see people being killed? Did these people really think that there would be no killing or blood shed?

 

[Alexis OCA]

100,000 civilians killed under US (mainly airstrikes, lots of women and children)

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2004/10/28/iraq_deaths041028.html

Reality check? Yes, I see the reality of making more people hate us will breed more terrorists.

What I see is this forum being set up, from the OP to this.