Want a new subtopic for Dreams and Visions?

[SavedByGrace3]

I guess I am just surprised that people who call themselves charismatic are so resistant to the revelation gifts of the spirit and the "dreams and visions" Joel said we would experience.
I happen to possess the gift "word of wisdom" which manifest through prophecy and dreams. I have many stories about dreams and prophecies that have come to pass.
I wonder if those who oppose hearing these gifts think they are somehow safe or beyond deception because they choose not to listen. Well you are not. Blindness and deafness are just as bad as deception. This does not make you safe. Only the correct use of the gifts of the Spirit will prevent you from being deceived. Wandering in the dark and hiding in corners is no answer.

 

[swifteagle]

As long as it's a forum of "NO DEBATING" I'm all for it. Those who don't like the idea don't have to read and/or post in it.

 

[NewSong]

I guess I am just surprised that people who call themselves charismatic are so resistant to the revelation gifts of the spirit and the "dreams and visions" Joel said we would experience.
I happen to possess the gift "word of wisdom" which manifest through prophecy and dreams. I have many stories about dreams and prophecies that have come to pass.
I wonder if those who oppose hearing these gifts think they are somehow safe or beyond deception because they choose not to listen. Well you are not. Blindness and deafness are just as bad as deception. This does not make you safe. Only the correct use of the gifts of the Spirit will prevent you from being deceived. Wandering in the dark and hiding in corners is no answer.

Dids, I am not against "dreams and visions" but I guess I was a little squeemish about it being online and like some of ya mentioned already, I thought it would be more debatable material and I thought there could be potential for ungodly interpretation and the whole 9 yards. It just seemed kind of one of those issues I would like my local pastor and leaders to deal with---though I wonder if they would

I know I don't have to explain myself but I am really against the subforum because of the stuff I have seen on the internet ...

NewSong

 

[angelwind]

Dids, I am not against "dreams and visions" but I guess I was a little squeemish about it being online and like some of ya mentioned already, I thought it would be more debatable material and I thought there could be potential for ungodly interpretation and the whole 9 yards. It just seemed kind of one of those issues I would like my local pastor and leaders to deal with---though I wonder if they would

I know I don't have to explain myself but I am really against the subforum because of the stuff I have seen on the internet ...

NewSong

I can understand your reservations...after what happened to me...(my own fault)...I sort of don't make much of my dreams any more. Don't know if I am quenching the Spirit or not.

 

[Christina M]

I can understand your reservations...after what happened to me...(my own fault)...I sort of don't make much of my dreams any more. Don't know if I am quenching the Spirit or not.

I think you just have to be careful with whom you share your information. Just like anything in the Lord....you need to have a close circle of people whom you can trust. You share with them - your heart, your dreams, your faults. You don't share them with just anybody.

I have kept a Dream Journal for almost 15 years. I believe most all dreams are from God. When you are asleep, it is a time when your voice, the devil's voice, and peoples' voices are silent and you can really HEAR from the Lord. Just like in Job where the Lord says "like a dream, like a vision in the night" so He instructs us.

There are times when I have not fully understood a dream - even after praying for the interpretation. I have yielded to temptation to share with an unknown - on-line - interpreter. It most always has given me to confusion....or I have known immediately that the "interpretation" was wrong. Most always, the "interpreter's" personal biases enter into the picture. (Even on this forum, unfortunately.)

Yet, I know that most of my kids' friends call me when they have a dream. They know that I know how to read the dream. I have to be VERY careful not to let any of ME into the interpretation!

The Lord WILL show you the correct interpretation (or at least what you need to know) if you ask Him!

 

[talitha]

Want a new subtopic for Dreams and Visions?

Absolutely yes, good idea!

I would like it if the "discussions" were not about the validity of dreams & visions!

I'll second that!

Anyone wanting to debate the validity of dreams & disions in general or wanting to attack any poster's own dreams & visions could be directed to some other thread where the debators can have at it without destroying the thread in the process.

AMEN!

Yeah, that kind of thing is bound to be a little distracting from the validity of the bible....

Funny, my dreams and the interpretations I give tend to point toward the Bible!

It would not bother me if the whole "Dreams and Visions" thing would just go away.

Well, you're living in the wrong time period -- the Lord is accelerating this stuff in these last days, as per Joel 2.

to say we should not listen is very close to saying we should not listen to Him.

Agreed. And we should listen to Him without trying to censor how He speaks.

My impression was that if we neglect them we may stop getting them.
What do you think?

I agree wholeheartedly. Often I've awakened from a dream, shut myself off to go back to sleep, and awakened again in the morning with only the knowledge that it was from the Lord, no memory of the dream. Yikes. The Lord Himself speaking with me, and me ignoring Him. Time to repent.

i think having a thread would help..i have alot..it is one of my gifts..it would encourage those who have similar gifts..

I agree. The main place I go on the internet is a Christian dream interpretation site. The Lord has grown me so much through the ministry and encouragement that takes place there! I discovered that I can interpret dreams! God is so good!

As long as it's a forum of "NO DEBATING" I'm all for it. Those who don't like the idea don't have to read and/or post in it.

So glad to have you on our side, quaffer!

I guess I am just surprised that people who call themselves charismatic are so resistant to the revelation gifts of the spirit and the "dreams and visions" Joel said we would experience.... I wonder if those who oppose hearing these gifts think they are somehow safe or beyond deception because they choose not to listen. Well you are not.

I couldn't agree more!

I can understand your reservations...after what happened to me...(my own fault)...I sort of don't make much of my dreams any more. Don't know if I am quenching the Spirit or not.

I think this thread would be a great idea for you -- if we don't outlaw the debating.

bless you guys..... just wanted to comment......

tal

 

[angelwind]

I think you just have to be careful with whom you share your information. Just like anything in the Lord....you need to have a close circle of people whom you can trust. You share with them - your heart, your dreams, your faults. You don't share them with just anybody.

I have kept a Dream Journal for almost 15 years. I believe most all dreams are from God. When you are asleep, it is a time when your voice, the devil's voice, and peoples' voices are silent and you can really HEAR from the Lord. Just like in Job where the Lord says "like a dream, like a vision in the night" so He instructs us.

There are times when I have not fully understood a dream - even after praying for the interpretation. I have yielded to temptation to share with an unknown - on-line - interpreter. It most always has given me to confusion....or I have known immediately that the "interpretation" was wrong. Most always, the "interpreter's" personal biases enter into the picture. (Even on this forum, unfortunately.)

Yet, I know that most of my kids' friends call me when they have a dream. They know that I know how to read the dream. I have to be VERY careful not to let any of ME into the interpretation!

The Lord WILL show you the correct interpretation (or at least what you need to know) if you ask Him!

It seems like "I" never get the message with my dreams...other people have helped...but I want more and more to get the understanding from the Lord for myself...at least a little bit...it is coming slowly. I think I may have had something in regards to the "flood" in the Gulf Coast...a few weeks before it happened. I still don't know what He wants me to do with the insight...still am going thru a lot of growing in Him.

 

[Christina M]

It seems like "I" never get the message with my dreams...other people have helped...but I want more and more to get the understanding from the Lord for myself...at least a little bit...it is coming slowly. I think I may have had something in regards to the "flood" in the Gulf Coast...a few weeks before it happened. I still don't know what He wants me to do with the insight...still am going thru a lot of growing in Him.

It WILL come - more and more. The more you ask, the more you will receive about it.

I made a point of - no matter when the dream was - if I awoke... IMMEDIATELY ... I write down EVERY detail of the dream. I keep a flashlight and journal/pen at my bedside.. so I can do this without waking hubby!!

If you write it down IMMEDIATELY you will be sure not to overlook details... and time will not dilute the dream!

 

[angelwind]

It WILL come - more and more. The more you ask, the more you will receive about it.

I made a point of - no matter when the dream was - if I awoke... IMMEDIATELY ... I write down EVERY detail of the dream. I keep a flashlight and journal/pen at my bedside.. so I can do this without waking hubby!!

If you write it down IMMEDIATELY you will be sure not to overlook details... and time will not dilute the dream!

Good idea...maybe the Lord will stir up this gift for me again.

 

[Strong in Him]

I would read the posts in such a forum with great interest, as I do believe that the Lord can, and does, speak through dreams. I'm not sure that I would ever have anything to contribute as I very rarely get a dream that I can say is from God and might not feel able to share if I did, and also because I do not have a gift of discernment, so could not comment on whether or not another person's dream was from God.

But if there was teaching about dreams in general - not just night time ones, but God given dreams, as in goals - then I think that would be great.

 

[talitha]

But if there was teaching about dreams in general - not just night time ones, but God given dreams, as in goals - then I think that would be great.

Yes, but this would not be the place for that.

blessings
tal

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Add your voice to the number:
http://www.christianforums.com/t2052406-dreams-and-visions-and-prophecies-forum.html

 

[Strong in Him]

Yes, but this would not be the place for that.

I thought not, but I wasn't sure. The words 'dream' and 'vision' can mean a number of things.

 

[heron]

Great input from everyone!

I definitely agree that debate has to be stickied. And with the comment on denominations, we might even want a statement that posters present their views as possible interpretations, accepting the varied interpretations of others.

How a Dreams and Visions subtopic could prove valuable:

1. Some people have dreams that they suspect have meaning, but could be stress or hot dog dreams. As others give input, something will click and the dreamer will see it for what it is, letting go of fears.

2. Do you remember (of course you do) when 9-11 discussion brought up all kinds of stories of internal warnings people had? This was not just Christians, but everyone. If God is speaking to us as a community, there might be times we can share His warning system. Readers can decide for themselves what to do with the information.

3. Many of us admit to having meaningful dreams, and often let them slide, sitting in the dream notebook unattended. Getting feedback would keep them fresh in our minds.


Christina is so right, we do need to maintain some privacy and discretion in what we spread out for the world. That's an individual decision, and we are bound to make some mistakes. It could take significant manpower to mod this forum.

Should we add "prophecy" to the header to consolidate it all, or is that asking for chaos?

I would also like to consider having a disclaimer that non P/Cs can post to this forum, as long as they respect the guidelines. Everyone dreams.

 

[talitha]

Should we add "prophecy" to the header to consolidate it all, or is that asking for chaos?

Could be asking for chaos, especially if we have non-P/C people posting to this forum, which I agree we should.

I would also like to consider having a disclaimer that non P/Cs can post to this forum, as long as they respect the guidelines. Everyone dreams.

Amen! Non-P/C people will often get prophetic words from the Lord in dreams that they would not accept any other way. "Indeed God speaks once, Or twice, yet no one notices it. In a dream, a vision of the night, When sound sleep falls on men, While they slumber in their beds, then He opens the ears of men...." (from Job 33)

blessings
tal

 

[janny108]

I guess I am just surprised that people who call themselves charismatic are so resistant to the revelation gifts of the spirit and the "dreams and visions" Joel said we would experience.
I happen to possess the gift "word of wisdom" which manifest through prophecy and dreams. I have many stories about dreams and prophecies that have come to pass.
I wonder if those who oppose hearing these gifts think they are somehow safe or beyond deception because they choose not to listen. Well you are not. Blindness and deafness are just as bad as deception. This does not make you safe. Only the correct use of the gifts of the Spirit will prevent you from being deceived. Wandering in the dark and hiding in corners is no answer.

I sort of take a middle of the road approach and go to extremes either way. I don't think there is a "gift" for dreams. The spiritual gifts are in Romans 12, `1 Corinthians 12 and 14. A pastor recently stated that the Corinthian church, although they practiced the gifts, were very immature as believers. There were envy, strife and divisions in that church.

Jan

 

[heron]

ooh, nice quote.
I have agnostic/atheist friends who dream prophetically, and it drives them nuts because they don't believe in premonitory dreams. Very specific visuals come to them 1/2 day before a tragedy, and I think it's God saying that He is alive and powerful, and cares about them. Similarly, God speaks to members of other denominations however He chooses.

I think it's fine to keep the topic under Charismatic, as threads will catch the eye of more people who value the dreams and have experience interpreting.

 

[angelwind]

You know what dear brethren...as we share here; you are giving me the balance I have been needing to hear for the "dream" thing...

 

[heron]

I wonder if those who oppose hearing these gifts think they are somehow safe or beyond deception because they choose not to listen.

The intent of gifts is to build up the body of Christ. It's not about mysticism, or gnosticism. We exercise God's gifts to encourage and strengthen each other.

 

[HumbleBee]

First, am for the dream subforum! Looking forward to the interaction! Second, recognizing some negative posts seem to be aimed at me. Anyone that I offended, please forgive me! Am obviously not perfect, neither are any of you, so there is no need to utterly discount Christian dream interpretation as a ministry. My thread proves my sincerity and that God be working His edification and encouragement! All glory to Jesus!

For those who don't agree with Christian dream interpretation, then...

Acts 5:38-39 Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these [people]alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these [people]; you will only find yourselves fighting against God."