Walter McGill and the Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church

[Bourbaki]

The article Walter McGill and the Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church Hoax suggests that the Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church consists of about 4 or 5 individuals. Has anyone here ever attended that church?

What evidence is there that the group consists of more than 6 persons?

 

[woobadooba]

The article Walter McGill and the Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church Hoax suggests that the Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church consists of about 4 or 5 individuals. Has anyone here ever attended that church?

What evidence is there that the group consists of more than 6 persons?

It is quite tragic that people would do such things. I pity McGill for being so confused.

 

[Qinael]

Um.. what?

I'm a member of the Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church. The last I heard of Eugene's article (the one you cited), he was trying to claim we only had three members or something of the sort. That was about the time he was banned from Wikipedia for continued malicious editing of our entry...

I would suggest you look for more credible resources than people's antagonists for your views. Otherwise you'll end up thinking the Apostles were drunk on new wine.

 

[Memento Mori]

Wow, old post.

I used to talk to David Aguilar, the chief "apologist" of the CSDAs. I asked several times for the church's numbers, and I never got a clear answer. I would estimate there are 10-15 members at most (though to be honest, even that seems too high). It seems bizarre that a handful of individuals could consider themselves God's one true church.

Though I wasn't able to recognize it then, there are key beliefs in this group that challenge basic Christian orthodoxy. The most alarming is the belief that the Holy Spirit is not a Person and that the Trinity is unbiblical. There are other radical departures from "vanilla" Adventism that are interesting to note. Christians can't sin, New Moons should be observed, and the Mark of the Beast is not the Sunday Sabbath.

When I was an Adventist I thought some of the things they taught were compelling, but now the group seems like a curious little anomaly. Maybe worth noting, but that's it. No offense.

 

[crmin]

It is interesting that such an "insignificant group" of Christians is so often spoken of (viz., CSDAs). If it were not for our Savior's shed blood, we would have no business even being alive, much less, being talked about.

I am also amazed at the minds of professors of Christianity in these days. They either want to know "how many members" you have OR they are asking how you finance your work. These, to me, are revealing characteristics. The "love of the world" is "hostility against God."

Noah was the "Apostle" of the only true church in his day, and the whole world considered him "crazy" because he spoke contrary to the teachings of the "great men of the earth." "You know," they would say, "it can not possibly rain, as this alarmist claims!" And, ONLY eight members (world-wide) joined his boat.

Now, I am not really being sarcastic, though I may sound a little that way. I am sorry that you (in general) do not love me, for when you do not love me, you demonstrate your quality of love for my Father. If you loved my Father, surely you would love me and hear me.

I once told someone that I love Lucifer. Oh, he immediately categorized me as a Satanist. Did you know that the Father and His Son still love Lucifer? That may be as "new light" for you, but it only takes knowing those Two (see John 17:3) in order to have eternal life. When you know Them, you will love all whom They love. It is truly unfortunate that Lucifer chose not to embrace the love of my Father.

I do not condemn you who talk about me and my brethren. However, my teachings (the words of my Elder Brother) will judge you in that day when all must appear before the "judgment seat of Christ."

You can know that I love you, because you are loved by my Father and His Son. I shall never do despite unto you. May you receive YAHWEH's best, as I remain speaking contrary to the teachings of "the earth's great men."

If you wish to be my friend, then search for my email address online and write to me with a heart of love. My arms are open to all who love and obey my Father and His Son.

Christian Regards,
Walter McGill (a/k/a Pastor "Chick")

 

[JonMiller]

So a little child is capable of loving all that the Father and Christ loved? If we are capable of loving as God loves, what does God provide?

JM

 

[Memento Mori]

If you wish to be my friend, then search for my email address online and write to me with a heart of love. My arms are open to all who love and obey my Father and His Son.

Christian Regards,
Walter McGill (a/k/a Pastor "Chick")

I do not recognize your binitarian god. I am baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. My God is Blessed Trinity.

 

[michaeneu]

It is interesting that such an "insignificant group" of Christians is so often spoken of (viz., CSDAs). If it were not for our Savior's shed blood, we would have no business even being alive, much less, being talked about.

I am also amazed at the minds of professors of Christianity in these days. They either want to know "how many members" you have OR they are asking how you finance your work. These, to me, are revealing characteristics. The "love of the world" is "hostility against God."

Noah was the "Apostle" of the only true church in his day, and the whole world considered him "crazy" because he spoke contrary to the teachings of the "great men of the earth." "You know," they would say, "it can not possibly rain, as this alarmist claims!" And, ONLY eight members (world-wide) joined his boat.

Now, I am not really being sarcastic, though I may sound a little that way. I am sorry that you (in general) do not love me, for when you do not love me, you demonstrate your quality of love for my Father. If you loved my Father, surely you would love me and hear me.

I once told someone that I love Lucifer. Oh, he immediately categorized me as a Satanist. Did you know that the Father and His Son still love Lucifer? That may be as "new light" for you, but it only takes knowing those Two (see John 17:3) in order to have eternal life. When you know Them, you will love all whom They love. It is truly unfortunate that Lucifer chose not to embrace the love of my Father.

I do not condemn you who talk about me and my brethren. However, my teachings (the words of my Elder Brother) will judge you in that day when all must appear before the "judgment seat of Christ."

You can know that I love you, because you are loved by my Father and His Son. I shall never do despite unto you. May you receive YAHWEH's best, as I remain speaking contrary to the teachings of "the earth's great men."

If you wish to be my friend, then search for my email address online and write to me with a heart of love. My arms are open to all who love and obey my Father and His Son.

Christian Regards,
Walter McGill (a/k/a Pastor "Chick")

I for one welcome you Walter. I hope that we can grow together in His Church.

Michael

 

[crmin]

Hello Again,

First of all, thank you, Michael, for your love. "YAHWEH is Love," and all who love are of God.

I am not surprised to see some vindictive responses. If they knew my Father, they would know me, for I speak the words that my Father gives me.

May those who "know not what they do," be forgiven and saved at last.

Yours respectfully,
Pastor "Chick"
Writing from Africa

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Hello Again,

First of all, thank you, Michael, for your love. "YAHWEH is Love," and all who love are of God.

I am not surprised to see some vindictive responses. If they knew my Father, they would know me, for I speak the words that my Father gives me.

May those who "know not what they do," be forgiven and saved at last.

Yours respectfully,
Pastor "Chick"
Writing from Africa

Welcome, Pastor Chick. I hope that you enjoy this place for open dialogue among folks who agree and disagree.

The link in the original post indicates that you believe the following:

• That your movement is the 7th thunder of Revelation and the 144,000.
• That your group has achieved complete victory over known sins.
• That Christians must keep the New Moons and some of the Annual Feasts found in the Old Testament.

Are these your beliefs, or have you been misrepresented?

BFA

 

[Pythons]

It is interesting that such an "insignificant group" of Christians is so often spoken of (viz., CSDAs). If it were not for our Savior's shed blood, we would have no business even being alive, much less, being talked about.

I am also amazed at the minds of professors of Christianity in these days. They either want to know "how many members" you have OR they are asking how you finance your work. These, to me, are revealing characteristics. The "love of the world" is "hostility against God."

Noah was the "Apostle" of the only true church in his day, and the whole world considered him "crazy" because he spoke contrary to the teachings of the "great men of the earth." "You know," they would say, "it can not possibly rain, as this alarmist claims!" And, ONLY eight members (world-wide) joined his boat.

Now, I am not really being sarcastic, though I may sound a little that way. I am sorry that you (in general) do not love me, for when you do not love me, you demonstrate your quality of love for my Father. If you loved my Father, surely you would love me and hear me.

I once told someone that I love Lucifer. Oh, he immediately categorized me as a Satanist. Did you know that the Father and His Son still love Lucifer? That may be as "new light" for you, but it only takes knowing those Two (see John 17:3) in order to have eternal life. When you know Them, you will love all whom They love. It is truly unfortunate that Lucifer chose not to embrace the love of my Father.

I do not condemn you who talk about me and my brethren. However, my teachings (the words of my Elder Brother) will judge you in that day when all must appear before the "judgment seat of Christ."

You can know that I love you, because you are loved by my Father and His Son. I shall never do despite unto you. May you receive YAHWEH's best, as I remain speaking contrary to the teachings of "the earth's great men."

If you wish to be my friend, then search for my email address online and write to me with a heart of love. My arms are open to all who love and obey my Father and His Son.

Christian Regards,
Walter McGill (a/k/a Pastor "Chick")

Hi Walter, years ago you had a discussion forum and I participated in an interesting discussion about Apostolic Authority and the General Conference of SDA. I had many discussions with an elderly man who spent some time there. Man, that was a long time ago back when my first internet experience was with a webTV LOL.

 

[djconklin]

The article Walter McGill and the Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church Hoax suggests that the Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church consists of about 4 or 5 individuals. Has anyone here ever attended that church?

The first question you should aksd in who is saying this? Who made the web page? To find out you scroll all the way down and click on the link to discuss it. There you find out it is run by Eugene Schubert. If you know him, you know all you need to know.

Interesting that the extremists are exposing each other!

 

[djconklin]

Welcome, Pastor Chick. I hope that you enjoy this place for open dialogue among folks who agree and disagree.

I wonder how the original Pastor Chick (Chick Cartoon Tracts) would take to finding out that someone else was riding his coattails?

The link in the original post indicates that you believe the following:

• That your movement is the 7th thunder of Revelation and the 144,000.
• That your group has achieved complete victory over known sins.
• That Christians must keep the New Moons and some of the Annual Feasts found in the Old Testament.

Are these your beliefs, or have you been misrepresented?

I take the lack of an answer would be a yes.

 

[crmin]

Hello Friends,

It was written:

The link in the original post indicates that you believe the following:

• That your movement is the 7th thunder of Revelation and the 144,000.
• That your group has achieved complete victory over known sins.
• That Christians must keep the New Moons and some of the Annual Feasts found in the Old Testament.

Are these your beliefs, or have you been misrepresented?

Answer(s):

I can say without question that the Creation 7th Day Adventist movement is called of YAHWEH to gather the souls who will make up and be known as the 144,000.

I would say that our understanding of the gospel dictates that all Christians in this age must receive the latter rain power of YAH's Holy Spirit, and with that, the gift of God provides complete victory over known sin and cleansing from all existing sin through the process of daily sanctification. It was always the goal of Christianity to form a Bride of Christ "without spot or blemish or any such thing." Personally, I would rather die than to sin against my Father and His Son (or my fellow man).

It is a bit "tricky" to ask if Christians "must" do this or that. Do SDA believers believe that all Christians MUST keep the Sabbath? We have not made any general statements about "musts." Our views are strictly taken from the Bible and principles left for the remnant and found in the inspired writings of Ellen G. White. We search the inspired writings provided to us by YAH in order to find out our spiritual, mental, and physical duties.

For Creation Seventh Day Adventists, we "must" keep the Sabbath. We "must" observe the ordinance of humility that is practiced in symbol every New Moon. We must "eat the body and drink the blood" of YAHSHUA in symbol each New Moon. That is our understanding of faithfulness. As for the annual Feast days, these have NEVER been a "test of fellowship" for the CSDA Church. Certainly, we have made NONE of these to be "tests" for "Christians" outside of our fellowship.

We believe that love for our Father, His Son, and the precious souls for whom Christ died will bring professing Christians into perfect unity as prayed for in John 17. It is our understanding that the CSDA Church makes up the visible Body (or "little flock") that all "unified Christians" will be called into before the end of the world.

Now, do we possess any doubts about our faith? As we are NOW being persecuted in America for our Creation 7th Day Adventist faith, that question will be answered without any chance for mistake.

God gave me the vision of this day in 1991, and it is coming to pass precisely as I predicted it. If you care to follow the process and see how things develop in the future, you are encouraged to search the Internet for "sda trademark lawsuit" and read all about it. This is the fulfillment of the "mark of the beast" just as it was shown to me in the early days of our development.

The Christian world must decide between the "seal of YAHWEH" and the "mark of the beast." The Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church is the object of persecution (the "hated sect") that brings the choice of Mt. Carmel to the world. And then the end shall come.

Excuse me if I have gone beyond answering your basic question(s). I am sorry for the delay in responding. Had a fellow believer not emailed me about this, I would not have known I owed you my time and response. Please forgive me.

Yours in peace,
Pastor "Chick" McGill
Writing from Africa