Voting by Mail?

[dogs4thewin]

Are you saying it is because of Covid that it is no longer trustworthy? Is that why republican states are moving forward with restrictive mail-in ballot laws, because they expect to have Covid forever?

Nope I am saying that before co-vid they were not usually mailed out just to any old body.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

I feel that IDs should be required they are not hard to get.

That's all fine and good but that's not what I was asking you. Why are you giving me that answer when I asked you where you are getting false information and why you are spreading false information?

Now it looks like you're trying to shift it to just saying you want voter ID and hoping I'll forget that you originally said that to get a ballot you just call them up and BOOM you have a ballot! Or you walk in and BOOM you have a ballot! Like MAGIC!!! LOL

Come on, before moving on to Voter ID can you just explain to me why you said something false to me and are now trying to evade answering for it?

 

[dogs4thewin]

Citation needed.

to which part?

 

[Nithavela]

The problem with that is people expect those ballots. They would report not getting them. For such a scheme to work one's thefts need to be kept undiscovered. Perhaps that is why we do not see that here in states with mail in ballots.

And then what? They get sent another ballot?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nope I am saying that before co-vid they were not usually mailed out just to any old body.

That is not the case in my state.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

I was not addressing #1 nor #3 - I was sharing what I would fully support.

What issues do you have with my 4 points?

"They are not necessary" would not be a valid response

How about very little thought, they are not necessary. We don't have voter id cards

I am not an idle person and don't have time to go chasing down a ballot just to do what is my right as an American Citizen. I realize you very well may have a lot more time on your hands but many of us are busy, hard-working people who just don't have that kind of time.

Bad argument. It takes me the better part of an hour to drive my car the 1.5 miles to the polling place, park and go through the lines. When I took the bus that would turn into a three hour trip and that was only possible if I left work early to catch an early bus.

Always the added claim that false or invalid votes were negligible. They appear not to have been negligible.

If the argument being made can't stand without always having that proviso ("the fraudulent votes were negligible" or "there wasn't significant vote fraud," etc.) be attached to the claim, it says something important!

 

[dogs4thewin]

That's all fine and good but that's not what I was asking you. Why are you giving me that answer when I asked you where you are getting false information and why you are spreading false information?

Now it looks like you're trying to shift it to just saying you want voter ID and hoping I'll forget that you originally said that to get a ballot you just call them up and BOOM you have a ballot! Or you walk in and BOOM you have a ballot! Like MAGIC!!! LOL

Come on, before moving on to Voter ID can you just explain to me why you said something false to me and are now trying to evade answering for it?

I did not know it was false. I usually vote in person and even when I did have mom request a ballot ( as I wanted to vote in an election and we were going to be out of town the fact that I live in an area where every one knows everyone meant that it was probably somewhat easier because the people in charge of voting knew me,knew her and knew we are who we say we are.

 

[dogs4thewin]

That is not the case in my state.

Of the fifty states until co-vid most did not just mail them out to every voter, then.

 

[JustOneWay]

Nope I am saying that before co-vid they were not usually mailed out just to any old body.

They were mailed to people who requested, and Covid changed that. That didn't make it less secure.

I wish republicans would stop beating around the bush blaming 'Secure" when we alll know it is about restricting voting to certain classes of people.

 

[dogs4thewin]

The problem with that is people expect those ballots. They would report not getting them. For such a scheme to work one's thefts need to be kept undiscovered. Perhaps that is why we do not see that here in states with mail in ballots.

that only works with getting them not the return trip.

 

[dogs4thewin]

They were mailed to people who requested, and Covid changed that.

so we agree on that then?

 

[dogs4thewin]

They were mailed to people who requested, and Covid changed that.

and I and others would argue that they should no longer mail them out unless requested.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And then what? They get sent another ballot?

I am not sure. The problem is that it would take thousands of stolen ballots for even just a Representative. That would cause an investigation that would likely find the source. Not only that, the signatures of ballots are checked. Too many failures would also start an investigation. That has never happened but it might cause an election to be done again. I do not see a feasible way to steal ballots and accomplish one's goals.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

and almost everything important in life requires us to identify ourselves, from renewing a license to checking out a book from the library to cashing a check. And most of them cost something, unlike the voter IDs. But for some reason, the argument we hear is that it's quite sensible to let unknown persons cast ballots in an election for president!

Write in ballots are identified the same way hand cast ballots are in all the states i have lived in the last 40 years, signatures. That said, there is a cost to voter id's in that it takes time to get one and thus the no poll tax laws generally prohibit them.

 

[Subduction Zone]

so we agree on that then?

Some states only have mail in voting. A fixed location is just as reliable as an ID.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I am not sure. The problem is that it would take thousands of stolen ballots for even just a Representative. That would cause an investigation that would likely find the source. Not only that, the signatures of ballots are checked. Too many failures would also start an investigation. That has never happened but it might cause an election to be done again. I do not see a feasible way to steal ballots and accomplish one's goals.

Again the whole they are expecting the ballot only works before they get the ballot any now.

 

[JustOneWay]

and I and others would argue that they should no longer mail them out unless requested.

No, republicans are RESTRICTING mail in voting. This is all they have left.

 

[Nithavela]

I am not sure. The problem is that it would take thousands of stolen ballots for even just a Representative. That would cause an investigation that would likely find the source. Not only that, the signatures of ballots are checked. Too many failures would also start an investigation. That has never happened but it might cause an election to be done again. I do not see a feasible way to steal ballots and accomplish one's goals.

Over here signatures aren't checkes, which is a good thing, because mine looks different every time I write it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No

Of the fifty states until co-vid most did not just mail them out to every voter, then.

Correct. But the states with mail in only demonstrates that vote by mail is secure.

 

[dogs4thewin]

No, republicans are RESTRICTING voting. This is all they have left.

I fail to see how the restrictions are restricting people who have the right to vote.