Voluntary Euthanasia

[cantata]

Have you ever read the book of JOB? Did JOB go through a lot of sorrow and physical pain? Didn't GOD eventually say something to JOB? Did GOD have JOB's attention? Was JOB listening? Did GOD also use JOB's problems to reach others with wrong mindsets?
Read the book of JOB and then we can talk ---- not before.....

I feel pretty sorry for Job, actually, even though the book has a sort-of happy ending, and I think God behaves very unjustly in that story.

 

[RolandofFrance]

There used to be a lot of support for Voluntary Euthanasia. Fortunately, however, it seems to be a dying movement.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Have you ever read the book of JOB? Did JOB go through a lot of sorrow and physical pain? Didn't GOD eventually say something to JOB? Did GOD have JOB's attention? Was JOB listening? Did GOD also use JOB's problems to reach others with wrong mindsets?
Read the book of JOB and then we can talk ---- not before.....

I have read the book of Job (indeed, I've read the whole Bible), but that doesn't mean I agree with God's methods. As an omnipotence, he is capable of doing it any way he wants. As an omnibenevolence, he wants to do it in the most loving way. Since he didn't, one or both of these traits are not true of the God depicted by the book of Job.

In any case, you haven't explained why God uses pain to get people's attention. He's clearly capable of alternate methods: burning bushes, divine manifestations, global floods, expulsions from paradise, miraculous appearences on toast, etc.

So why use pain? People get frightened on their deathbeds, or when in pain, so they turn to this fantastic entity that can allegedly stop their pain, or otherwise alleviate their fears. Whether or not this entity actually exists and can do what is alleged of it is irrelevant.

 

[FaithLikeARock]

Not murder (I'm considering planning euthanasia at an actual clinic AND "pulling the plug").

But I think in many of these cases, more should be done to counsel the person asking this, because it's still suicide.

 

[LittleNipper]

I feel pretty sorry for Job, actually, even though the book has a sort-of happy ending, and I think God behaves very unjustly in that story.

GOD used a bad situation to prove to JOB that bad things can happen to righteous people. Bad things do not happen only as a result of a person being bad. If you will notice, Satan is the one who did everything. GOD place the limits HE would allow Satan to go. We are GOD's creation. GOD is not required to do what we want HIM to do.

 

[LittleNipper]

There used to be a lot of support for Voluntary Euthanasia. Fortunately, however, it seems to be a dying movement.

The Youth in Asia are getting older......

 

[cantata]

GOD is not required to do what we want HIM to do.

No indeed. Which is precisely why we should take matters into our own hands.

 

[TeddyKGB]

GOD used a bad situation to prove to JOB that bad things can happen to righteous people. Bad things do not happen only as a result of a person being bad. If you will notice, Satan is the one who did everything. GOD place the limits HE would allow Satan to go.

Bad things can also happen to people when amoral super-bullies gang up on them.

We are GOD's creation. GOD is not required to do what we want HIM to do.

This is that blind faith stuff that you guys always claim you don't have, innit?

 

[trivista]

GOD used a bad situation to prove to JOB that bad things can happen to righteous people. Bad things do not happen only as a result of a person being bad. If you will notice, Satan is the one who did everything. GOD place the limits HE would allow Satan to go. We are GOD's creation. GOD is not required to do what we want HIM to do.

God, according to the Bible, tortured Job to win a bet with the ultimate evil...

 

[Voegelin]

One of the issues I support is right for voluntary euthanasia

Why?

You have that "right". No one can take it away from you. Unless a person is in a jail cell under 24 hour suicide watch there is no way that "right" can be taken away from you (and even in such cells people have been sucessful in offing themselves).

There is nothing to support I can see. That anyone can off themselves is a given.

 

[Caylin]

One of the issues I support is right for voluntary euthanasia

Why?

You have that "right". No one can take it away from you. Unless a person is in a jail cell under 24 hour suicide watch there is no way that "right" can be taken away from you (and even in such cells people have been sucessful in offing themselves).

There is nothing to support I can see. That anyone can off themselves is a given.

*Pat Pat* Of course you don't.

 

[Voegelin]

*Pat Pat* Of course you don't.

Care to expand on that? I do not know what your point is.

 

[cantata]

One of the issues I support is right for voluntary euthanasia

Why?

You have that "right". No one can take it away from you. Unless a person is in a jail cell under 24 hour suicide watch there is no way that "right" can be taken away from you (and even in such cells people have been sucessful in offing themselves).

There is nothing to support I can see. That anyone can off themselves is a given.

Euthanasia ≠ Suicide.

 

[LittleNipper]

God, according to the Bible, tortured Job to win a bet with the ultimate evil...

According to the Bible. SATAN tortured JOB as far a GOD would allow him to. You better reread the story. You might find that devil worship is not all it is cracked up to be.

 

[Soul Searcher]

According to the Bible. SATAN tortured JOB as far a GOD would allow him to.

I guess that is one way to put it.

You could also say that God gave Satan permission to torture Job in extreme and unsual ways to win a bet.

One thing that we should see in the story is that satan would have stopped if Job would have renounced God at any point along the way.

You better reread the story. You might find that devil worship is not all it is cracked up to be.

Somehow the story seems to indicate that if the man had worshipped Satan none of this would have happened. I have no idea where you draw your reference.

 

[LittleNipper]

I guess that is one way to put it.

You could also say that God gave Satan permission to torture Job in extreme and unsual ways to win a bet.

One thing that we should see in the story is that satan would have stopped if Job would have renounced God at any point along the way.

Somehow the story seems to indicate that if the man had worshipped Satan none of this would have happened. I have no idea where you draw your reference.

GOD always wins exactly what HE whats. The man who worships Satan has no hope for eternity/

 

[LittleNipper]

Euthanasia ≠ Suicide.

To stop one's medication is not suicide either.

 

[LittleNipper]

Bad things can also happen to people when amoral super-bullies gang up on them.

This is that blind faith stuff that you guys always claim you don't have, innit?

Death comes to everyone. What one makes of it is what counts.

 

[Soul Searcher]

GOD always wins exactly what HE whats. The man who worships Satan has no hope for eternity/

And that has what to do with the previous post?

Interesting that you say God always wins what he wants but you leave out at the expense of others according to the story. Of course I do not believe the story of Job should be taken literally but if one does then it sounds like God doesn't care who suffers as long as he wins. Rather selfish it seems.

 

[LittleNipper]

And that has what to do with the previous post?

Interesting that you say God always wins what he wants but you leave out at the expense of others according to the story. Of course I do not believe the story of Job should be taken literally but if one does then it sounds like God doesn't care who suffers as long as he wins. Rather selfish it seems.

GOD never usually wins. GOD ALWAYS reaps the glory. Man is going to suffer as long as sin abounds. Man must go through the fire and not around it. A great part of that is the realization that one is incapable of being "good enough" in GOD's eyes. That realization is learned through experience. That experience is painful.