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First, let me apologize in advance for a long post...

I'm the new worship leader for our praise team, and I could use some guidance with dealing with a vocalist. Our praise team is very small, and as such, we have a handful of vocalists who rotate on a regular basis. Unfortunately, one of our vocalists has a tendency to sing notes no one has ever head before. Her voice is quite nice when she sings on key, but sadly, that isn't often. I have tried going over her part during practice, but this is usually fruitless. She simply cannot hear the notes she needs to find her pitch. We generally have one lead vocalist with two back-up vocalists singing each service; the "back-ups" share a monitor (for now). When she sings her vocal mix is turned up so loudly she drowns out everything else. (Yes, she is really that strong.) Anything less and she cannot hear herself, thus making the off-key singing even worse. I've even received a few comments about her singing from a few members of the congregation.

She truly believes she can sing extremely well. She doesn't recognize she has a problem with pitch. She's very proud of her talent, and has repeatedly mentioned her solos during previous events under the direction of our former choral director. The biggest kicker is that she has said more than once that she has never been happier. She adores praising the Lord. Says it's where her heart lies.

Now comes Christmas Eve service. I've had in mind an arrangement for a song that requires a trio of vocalists. This just happens to be her favorite song (unbeknownst to me at the time I had chosen it). When my original choice for vocals fell through, I made the decision to turn the trio into a duet. She was very put-out at the idea, as she had assumed she'd be the third vocalist. So, against my better judgement, I asked her to TRY the third vocal part. It was slightly better than a disaster. This particular arrangement is very strong, and to be frank, having her sing the third vocal could be detrimental to the song. However, she insists that she can (and will) sing this part. Now I have another vocalist who, as far as pitch goes, could nail the part, but they're not a confident soloist, and I don't want to hurt the friendship between the two.

I'd hate to have this cause problems with our friendship too (we, along with our spouses, are close friends). I don't want to prevent her from serving, and I'm not looking for perfection, but I do believe there needs to be a certain level of expectations that ALL members of the praise team should meet. Unfortunately, she doesn't meet those expectations. I'm unsure of what to do regarding our Christmas Eve service - do I let her sing the part? Do I turn the song into a duet? Do I ask the other vocalist to sing instead? And I'm unsure of how to handle her singing overall - should she sing? Should I ask her to leave the team? What is the best way to handle this?

Thank you for letting me rant. Any and all advice is greatly appreciated.
 
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This has always been an interesting topic to me. On one hand, the person is truly singing for God, and even if it's not beautiful to our ears, it's beautiful to God and should be recognized for that.

On the other hand, as a music director there is a certain understood obligation to keep the congregation happy/worshiping, and honestly it's hard to keep in a worshiping mood if there's something displeasing to our ears.

I honestly don't have a good answer for you. I don't think there's much that can be done before Christmas Eve, but perhaps she would be open to improving her skills with some lessons? I think there's a good way to phrase it in such a way that it's not insulting to her skills, but also will encourage her to try to develop her voice further.

I'll keep you in my thoughts, though.
 
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I would pull the song and think of something else to fit in. If you let her sing, it will throw off the not yet confident singer. If you make the trio sound in a duo, the tone deaf singer will be hurt by being left out. Or you could make the song a unison without 3part harmony for all 3 singers. Hopefully 2/3 would blend in (drown out) the 1/3 offending voice.

Of course you are going to have to deal with this sooner or later, but the holidays are always stressful and I would delay confronting it at this time.
I like the idea of making recordings and listening to them. Most folks really don't know how they or the group sounds "out there". We did this a few times and were very surprised how much we sped up up and up. Previously our drummer swore he always kept a steady beat. Maybe your singer will hear how she actually sounds and back out of challenging arrangements in the future.
 
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I think we have to keep in mind that her role on the team is to serve the body of Christ in leading in worship through song. This really isn't about what serves her best here (who cares if it's her favorite song). It's kind that you want to be considerate to her passions, but this goes beyond her. If she is unable to get her part down and do it to the standard that you as a leader require, then perhaps this isn't the appropriate setting for her to serve. A poor vocalist ends up being a distraction to those trying to engage in worship. This isn't to say perfection is required, but there must be ability to fulfill what is required. If she can't do it, then it's not serving the body very well.

I would meet with her individually to work on her part. After working on it, ask her how she feels about it. If she says she thinks it went great, then address the problem areas that she needs to work and improve on. Let her know that her pitch is off. As a vocalist, if I'm singing something off pitch and I don't realize it, I hope someone would please tell me! I don't think any vocalist wants to sing off pitch. If there is no improvement, or if she can't meet the standards require for the piece, then it might be a good idea to explain why you request that she not participate in singing that song.

So it's great she loves praising the Lord, but she can also do that very thing off the stage. Know that we sing in worship to serve the body of Christ. Service is essential to worship. It's not about us getting to sing the part that we want to sing. It is about what serves the body of Christ in leading them in worship. While it's not fun, I don't think it's unreasonable or "mean" to request that someone plays a different part or no part at all if it's harmful to the worship experience. I commend you for your gracious heart, but don't be afraid to stick with the vision you have as a leader.

Also, your job is to love but not to keep everyone happy. Expect humility from your team. A humble heart can receive a "no" for singing a part.
 
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Wow, so many ways you could go with this. Only one way you should go with it. There's been some good advice given, and you should consider it all, and pray about it. Do what God puts in your heart to do - which may not be the easy pleasy thing for everyone.

First off, Worship Teams must grasp the concept of being trained and skilled. Actually, it's a Biblical concept:

1 Chron 25:7
(ESV) The number of them [Temple Musicians] along with their brothers, who were trained in singing to the LORD, all who were skillful, was 288.

Psalms 33:3
Sing to Him a new song; Play skillfully with a shout of joy.

We, who are leading God's people into musicful worship, are to be skilled. That means if we are singers, we are to be vocally trained or willing to recieve training. If we are musicians, we need to be skillful and practice. Singers should practice, and eat right, drink right, warm up, etc.

In regards to this person being "put out" or upset - then she perhaps isn't humbled in her ministry. Has God called them by you or your Pastor to be on the team? I know you just started Leading, but you need to pray about them all and tell your Pastor (who should have your back) what you think and have him pray as well. If your team is humble and in the right heart for the ministry, then they will recieve the direction as coming from the authority that God has placed in you or your pastor, and willingly submit. If not, they shouldn't be there - perhaps take a break (aka: sit them down from the team for a season).

These aren't easy things to do, but your team will be better for it, and the ministry to the congregational body will benefit from it. Worship Teams must be unified in Spirit to accomplish the ministry they are called to. God is a God of order and discipline, not chaos and confusion.
 
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My honest opinion is that if she really does love praising and worshipping God then she will do whatever is needed and be teachable. To worship is to serve, even if we don't like it.
I'd take her aside and talk to her. Be honest. Suggest that she goes for some vocal lessons.
If she throws a fit or takes offense then you'll quickly know that her heart isn't really for worship, it's for her gifting. And I wouldn't want people like that in my team.
On the other hand, she may take it really well and show her heart to be true.
You really don't know until you speak to her.

Good luck, I really don't envy you.
 
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Humility and teachable spirit are two important things if you want to serve God. So, I guess you can talk to her privately concerning this issue and let her know about her problem. Passion for God and for worship is good, but skill plays an important part also. You don't want the congregation get distracted in worship service, do you? So, I think you need to tell her to practice her vocal and encourage her that with better pitch control, better vocal skill, she will edify the church and herself. Excellence is what God wants.
 
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Way after the fact... I hope it went well.

It sounds as though she has expectations that, because she is known for singing, she deserves more opportunities and rank than the other singers. This is a spiritual-emotional issue as well as convenience. She is trampling the gifts of the other singers in order to do what she loves.

Start rotating lead vocals, and lightening her responsibilities by bringing in other people. Tell her how important it is for a leader to be a servant, and lift others up (even if they are not perfect.)

Be an advocate for the other members, so they don't grow weary of this problem and quit.

If your church has the money, you can invest in individual earpieces which each singer can control -- then she could hear herself and others couldn't. Move her next to the monitor, even if it's not convenient.

Make sure that she is close to the piano or whatever instrument sets a stable pitch -- sometimes even good people are thrown off because they can't hear. I know that when I don't hear myself in the monitor, I don't trust my own pitch. (You're not writing about me, right? Lol.)

The sound system people should be able to turn her down in the house, or adjust any harshness that would make matters worse. Trust the congregation to carry the melody, when you let her be the figurehead.
 
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Hey Buddy,

I learned a long time ago that in order to have quality worship happen, you need to have the people that God has groomed up there on the platform. Anything less is asking for trouble. We want to honor God with everything we have, including our excellance. She just needs you to gently let her know that she doesn't sound quite right for what you are trying to accomplish. The better you know what you yourself ar looking for in a team, a piece of music or whatever, the easier it will be for you to explain it to her and get her to understand what you are needing from you team that she can't accomplish. Once she realizes this, and it's done with tact, you will see just where her heart really is. If she gets hurt in the delicate process than she is more than likely thinking too much about herself in worship and not about what is best for worship. If she is understanding, then she truly has a servants heart and needs to be uplifted, trained and deserves the right to be given good instruction of other areas of ministry she may be good at.

Just because a person can sing, doesn't mean they should... God knows who He wants up there leading. Pray and seek His guidance at every turn.

Your team member probably has an incling of what the problem is because she can tell that people are tense about it. She needs your gentle honesty and understanding to end it.

Good luck,
Jonathan Casas
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Hey Buddy,

I learned a long time ago that in order to have quality worship happen, you need to have the people that God has groomed up there on the platform. Anything less is asking for trouble. We want to honor God with everything we have, including our excellance. She just needs you to gently let her know that she doesn't sound quite right for what you are trying to accomplish. The better you know what you yourself ar looking for in a team, a piece of music or whatever, the easier it will be for you to explain it to her and get her to understand what you are needing from you team that she can't accomplish. Once she realizes this, and it's done with tact, you will see just where her heart really is. If she gets hurt in the delicate process than she is more than likely thinking too much about herself in worship and not about what is best for worship. If she is understanding, then she truly has a servants heart and needs to be uplifted, trained and deserves the right to be given good instruction of other areas of ministry she may be good at.

Just because a person can sing, doesn't mean they should... God knows who He wants up there leading. Pray and seek His guidance at every turn.

Your team member probably has an incling of what the problem is because she can tell that people are tense about it. She needs your gentle honesty and understanding to end it.

Good luck,
Jonathan Casas
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Good post...I see you've been 'up there' (platform) for a while..
why is it that people seem to understand that for all other areas of ministry, that those ministers need to be prepared and gifted and skilled,yet worship leaders should be willing to let anyone on the team who is just willing to show up regularly ??
I have had to deal with an attitude that says " I've been coming to this church for ___ years,blah blah..the last worship leader,blah blah..." yet their attitude towards leadership and being punctual and getting along for ministrys sake was lousy.
My Pastor pulled me into meetings with two women vocalists who were out to control me and the worship team on several different occasions.they would run to Him every time I would hold them to account.they both were given several chances by the Pastor to return to the team (against my advice),and both ended up leaving our church anyway.they would not practice ,and did not understand projection or other vocal qualities.in other words,they really shouldn't have been placed up there for me to inherit.
 
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Hey Buddy,

I learned a long time ago that in order to have quality worship happen, you need to have the people that God has groomed up there on the platform. Anything less is asking for trouble. We want to honor God with everything we have, including our excellance. She just needs you to gently let her know that she doesn't sound quite right for what you are trying to accomplish. The better you know what you yourself ar looking for in a team, a piece of music or whatever, the easier it will be for you to explain it to her and get her to understand what you are needing from you team that she can't accomplish. Once she realizes this, and it's done with tact, you will see just where her heart really is. If she gets hurt in the delicate process than she is more than likely thinking too much about herself in worship and not about what is best for worship. If she is understanding, then she truly has a servants heart and needs to be uplifted, trained and deserves the right to be given good instruction of other areas of ministry she may be good at.

Just because a person can sing, doesn't mean they should... God knows who He wants up there leading. Pray and seek His guidance at every turn.

Your team member probably has an incling of what the problem is because she can tell that people are tense about it. She needs your gentle honesty and understanding to end it.

Good luck,
Jonathan Casas
www .RockinWorship.com
Good post...I see you've been 'up there' (platform) for a while..
why is it that people seem to understand that for all other areas of ministry, that those ministers need to be prepared and gifted and skilled,yet worship leaders should be willing to let anyone on the team who is just willing to show up regularly ??
I have had to deal with an attitude that says " I've been coming to this church for ___ years,blah blah..the last worship leader,blah blah..." yet their attitude towards leadership and being punctual and getting along for ministrys sake was lousy.
My Pastor pulled me into meetings with two women vocalists who were out to control me and the worship team on several different occasions.they would run to Him every time I would hold them to account.they both were given several chances by the Pastor to return to the team (against my advice),and both ended up leaving our church anyway.they would not practice ,and did not understand projection,harmonisation, or other vocal qualities.in other words,they really shouldn't have been placed up there for me to inherit.
 
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At the end of the day she needs to be aware that she goes off key as I've had experience with that. Let her get some voice training. She obviously enjoys praising the Lord with her voice and that's good but it could become a hinderins for the congregation and her fellow worshipers.
 
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I notice that we get flat and off key when we're sick and tired. One week we were all sick, and I could only laugh at how we sounded.

I get off key when the monitor balance is off -- not just whether my volume is up or not, but if the instruments or other singers are too loud. I can't hear where my own voice is in relation to the proper pitch.

The vocalists should hear the most stable instrument. Strings and winds can change (and be tuned), but the piano and keyboard has set pitches for each key. Singers have a better chance of finding their correct pitch if the dominant sounds they hear are stable.

Tell the singers to align themselves with the piano or keyboard, not with the lead singer. People's voices are unpredictable.
 
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I've not had time to read all the things. Practice makes perfect and the best thing I know is the best sound pinches are the highest that are brought out with control over them. So one needs to practice being in the presence of God. It should become a nature part of you life to lead worship. The instrumentalists need to be innovative and use alot more instinct rather that reading such that all flows spontenously. God bless you as you continue serving Him
 
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The off pitch singing cannot be accepted as part of the worship team. Vocal lessons are a must. I would not expect to be a part of a worship team if I only picked up my instruments for worship and made mistakes. Individual practice is essential.

There would be several ways to approach the vocal problem. First way would be blunt and tell the person to get vocal lessons. Tell them they have a great voice, with lots of projection, but that they kinda drift off key.

The second way would be to have a vocal teacher come in and give group lessons to the whole team. That way you are not singling anyone out and the teacher can handle the delicate problem of telling someone they can't sing.....and then help them correct the problem.

Joey
 
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The second way would be to have a vocal teacher come in and give group lessons to the whole team. That way you are not singling anyone out and the teacher can handle the delicate problem of telling someone they can't sing.....and then help them correct the problem.

Joey

I really like the idea of hiring a voice instructor to come in to do the job. As long as you tell the instructor what you have in mind beforehand,you could even have the instructor spend individual time with each member. It might cost more that way, but it might be worth it. Who knows... it might also give confidence to the other members.
 
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