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[Criada]

Do we have a timestamp issue again, or was SAs last post prophetic?
:confused?

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Houston- we have a problem.

 

[TheBear]

ooops!

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Let me say right off the bat that this is YOUR forum, a CHRISTIAN forum, and you have the right to set the definition of "Christianity" as well as the boundaries for those who post here.

Just as we have the freedom to utterly reject his games and playing mini-pastor/theologian.

 

[praying]

If they don't want our input (which, really, they don't, but they seem to want to give us the illusion of wanting our input) they can close the thread. Sooper mod powerz and all that.

 

[Tonks]

Let me say right off the bat that this is YOUR forum, a CHRISTIAN forum, and you have the right to set the definition of "Christianity" as well as the boundaries for those who post here.

I simply have concerns about the phrasing, "You will not promote any faith, belief, or religion other than Christianity." Without a description of what "promote" means, this can be used to attack those who really are not "promoting" another religion, but simply answering questions and providing information.

I think that the point is that there should be less "answering questions" and more of a Christian inreach. Frankly, I'd prefer to see issued kicked to NCR that deal with non-Christian religion - even when it comes to answering questions within Congregationals. For example...discussions about Judaism without reference to Christianity have no place in the MJ forum.

How will this rule specifically apply to non-Christians monotheists such as Jews and Muslims?

Jews and Muslims are not Christian. They should stick to Non-Christan Religion.

How about other non-Christians such as Atheists, Pagans, Buddhists?

Same as the above. They have a place. They don't need to be all over the forum.

AND... how is this going to work with those denominations which certainly claim to be Christian, and are certainly not Nicene? Such as your one-ness Pentecostals, or Messianics?

Non-Trinitarians should be moved to an unorthodox section.

Well, at least you avoided a holy war by not including a paragaph regarding the Holy Spirit -- you got to completely skirt the filioque issue!

That is dealt with under the framework of Forum Specific Rules.

These, of course, are just my views. I have no idea what the "Advisors" think but the Christian focus to the exclusion of other abberant theology is shared amongst at least a majority of the moderating admins.

 

[nikkicheerleader18]

I think that the point is that there should be less "answering questions" and more of a Christian inreach. Frankly, I'd prefer to see issued kicked to NCR that deal with non-Christian religion - even when it comes to answering questions within Congregationals. For example...discussions about Judaism without reference to Christianity have no place in the MJ forum.



Jews and Muslims are not Christian. They should stick to Non-Christan Religion.



Same as the above. They have a place. They don't need to be all over the forum.




Non-Trinitarians should be moved to an unorthodox section.




That is dealt with under the framework of Forum Specific Rules.

These, of course, are just my views. I have no idea what the "Advisors" think but the Christian focus to the exclusion of other abberant theology is shared amongst at least a majority of the moderating admins.

You make it sound like the non-Christians should be boarded off in seperate sections and not allowed to be near Christians because they're inferior or something

 

[Tonks]

You make it sound like the non-Christians should be boarded off in seperate sections and not allowed to be near Christians because they're inferior or something

From a raw Christian theological perspective...non-Christians are inferior. Broadly, I have no problem suggesting that some sections of the site should be for discussions between and amongst Christians solely.

If people don't like it...there are plenty of other message boards on the Internet.

 

[Ringo84]

I think that the point is that there should be less "answering questions" and more of a Christian inreach. Frankly, I'd prefer to see issued kicked to NCR that deal with non-Christian religion - even when it comes to answering questions within Congregationals. For example...discussions about Judaism without reference to Christianity have no place in the MJ forum.



Jews and Muslims are not Christian. They should stick to Non-Christan Religion.



Same as the above. They have a place. They don't need to be all over the forum.




Non-Trinitarians should be moved to an unorthodox section.




That is dealt with under the framework of Forum Specific Rules.

These, of course, are just my views. I have no idea what the "Advisors" think but the Christian focus to the exclusion of other abberant theology is shared amongst at least a majority of the moderating admins.

I have to say that I have a problem with the wording myself.

They have a place. They don't need to be all over the forum.

It's stuff like this that makes me uncomfortable.

I understand that this is Christian Forums, and technically it's a Christian website. I read that loud and clear.

It just seems to me that it's a bit elitist to say, "you atheists and non-Christians have a place on this forum. You can't go here and here and here because you don't town our theology line".

Jesus never turned anyone away; He associated Himself with tax collectors, the abject poor, and the undesirables of the day. There isn't one single time in the NT when we see Jesus saying, "this is for Christians only. You non-Christians have your place - away from us".

Now, I can understand trying to nail down theology on which we can all agree. As a Baptist, I am not that trusting of creeds, but I appreciate the effort and understand why it's being done. I just think that we, as Christians, should be careful not to come across as elitist towards those that don't believe like us.

CF is a fellowship site for Christians, but we should be more like Jesus when we approach fellowship on this site: we don't just let in Christians and banish non-trinitarians and other "unorthodox" people to rot in some forum far away from us. We're welcoming to everyone, regardless of what they believe and don't believe and whether they're willing to tow our theological line.

I just don't like this way of thinking. It seems callous and unchristian to me.
Ringo

 

[nikkicheerleader18]

From a raw Christian theological perspective...non-Christians are inferior. Broadly, I have no problem suggesting that some sections of the site should be for discussions between and amongst Christians solely.

If people don't like it...there are plenty of other message boards on the Internet.

Thats not the message of Jesus Jesus values all life and you should read some of the parables of the Gospels, how He will rejoice for one sheep who comes back to the herd more than for 99 sheep who were always with it. He loves all humans, not just Christians, and we as Christians are not superior to others, thats elitist...

 

[Ringo84]

From a raw Christian theological perspective...non-Christians are inferior. Broadly, I have no problem suggesting that some sections of the site should be for discussions between and amongst Christians solely.

If people don't like it...there are plenty of other message boards on the Internet.

They're not inferior. Did Jesus say that tax collectors were inferior because they disagreed with Him?

This thinking is so elitist and, in my humble opinion, not very Christian. It's not acting like Jesus to cloister the church in "Christian only" sections, leaving those that don't agree to rot somewhere else (in our case, a sub-forum).
Ringo

 

[nikkicheerleader18]

Well, you know what they say about great minds, Ringo. BTW, I didn't see your post before I typed mine

 

[Ringo84]

Well, you know what they say about great minds, Ringo. BTW, I didn't see your post before I typed mine

I completely agree with you, Nikki. Thank you for saying it.

I don't like this elitist attitude that seems to pop up on here from time to time. It's like building a church and then erecting a sign that says "Christians only. Atheists have a place".
Ringo

 

[Tonks]

Thats not the message of Jesus Jesus values all life and you should read some of the parables of the Gospels, how He will rejoice for one sheep who comes back to the herd more than for 99 sheep who were always with it. He loves all humans, not just Christians, and we as Christians are not superior to others, thats elitist...

I see that you're new and have not been around alot. The message of Christ is not to have Christians be attacked at every given turn by non-Christians for their beliefs in the name of some garbage pluralistic ideal.

CF is not a Church...not is it even specifically a ministry. It is a place, ultimately, for Christians to discuss Christian things. CF has strayed from that purpose over the last 8 months and I'm glad to see that it is swinging - somewhat - back in the direction of allowing Christians to be Christians without harassment.

Christ doesn't value a false Gospel. 'Tis in the Bible.

 

[nikkicheerleader18]

I see that you're new and have not been around alot. The message of Christ is not to have Christians be attacked at every given turn by non-Christians for their beliefs in the name of some garbage pluralistic ideal.

CF is not a Church...not is it even specifically a ministry. It is a place, ultimately, for Christians to discuss Christian things. CF has strayed from that purpose over the last 8 months and I'm glad to see that it is swinging - somewhat - back in the direction of allowing Christians to be Christians without harassment.

Christ doesn't value a false Gospel. 'Tis in the Bible.

I've been around for long enough. Not all non-Christians "attack" people. I have a few friends on here who are Atheists and they don't do anything like that. You are stereotyping against people and being discriminatory. I will pray for you.

 

[Tonks]

And I will pray for you.

I'm done with this portion of the conversation.

 

[Ringo84]

I've been around for long enough. Not all non-Christians "attack" people. I have a few friends on here who are Atheists and they don't do anything like that. You are stereotyping against people and being discriminatory. I will pray for you.

I have friends on this site who aren't Christians also, and I have yet to see any one of them "harass" a Christian.

Stereotyping far too often replaces true thought and arguments nowadays.
Ringo

 

[nikkicheerleader18]

And I will pray for you.

I'm done with this portion of the conversation.

Thank you! Try to feel better and accept your fellow man as the Lord and Savior Christ would want! The Jews thought they that as the Chosen People were better than others and Jesus came crashing down on some and in parables told them that they were invited first to the Kingdom, but if they did not answer, then others would be invited. The same holds true for today-sure, we Christians might be called first, but not all of us will answer the call truly, and non-Christians will be called by the Master also. *Prays for Tonks*

 

[Ringo84]

And I will pray for you.

I'm done with this portion of the conversation.

Perhaps we will pray for you, as you seem to reject the notion that Jesus was welcoming to ALL. Christianity is not a "Christians only" club. If it were, Christianity's entire purpose would be shot to oblivion.
Ringo

 

[Crazy Liz]

I see that you're new and have not been around alot. The message of Christ is not to have Christians be attacked at every given turn by non-Christians for their beliefs in the name of some garbage pluralistic ideal.

[bible]matthew 5:43-44[/BIBLE]