Virginia school board votes to restore Confederate names to two schools

[durangodawood]

What keeps this country from moving forward is people looking backward.

Thats an argument for removing all historical figures from school names and other public commemorations.

It also would council us to shun tradition generally.

 

[Astrid]

Nearly four years ago, the Shenandoah County School Board ... moved to rename Stonewall Jackson High School and Ashby Lee Elementary School. The schools had been named after Confederate Gens. Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson, Robert E. Lee and Turner Ashby.

That 2020 move was part of a resolution condemning racism and affirming the district’s “commitment to an inclusive school environment,” according to school board documents.

The schools have been called Mountain View High School and Honey Run Elementary School since July 2021, according to board documents.

But the composition of the school board is different now than it was during the 2020 decision – all six seats are held by different people.

The 5-1 vote came after hours of public comment during a meeting that began Thursday evening from people speaking on both sides of the issue. Vice Chairman Kyle L. Gutshall was the sole opposing vote.

“I ask that when you cast your vote, you remember that Stonewall Jackson and others fighting on the side of the Confederacy in this area were intent on protecting the land, the buildings and the lives of those under attack,” said a woman urging the board to restore the Confederate names. “Preservation is the focus of those wishing to restore the names.”

Sarah Kohrs, a mother of two students attending schools in the district, is among several parents and residents who said ahead of the vote that they were opposed to restoring the Confederacy-tied names and were frustrated it was being considered.

“It’s very frustrating to know that here we are four years after that, and we still have a small portion of the community that just refuses to move on,” Kohrs told CNN.

I don't question that many in Beijing decry the refusal
of this small population here is Hong Kong to
just move on, accept all the unaccountable arbitrary
control they are determined to impose on us.

I've been beaten and jailed for expressing my opposition.

Historical figures who attacked the United States get schools named after them right?

Is the USA a voluntary association of states,
or an empire?

A regular hotel California, "...but you can never leave".

 

[durangodawood]

...
Is the USA a voluntary association of states,
or an empire?

A regular hotel California, "...but you can never leave".

Just like every other country. None of them look kindly on parts breaking away.

Plus there's the vile confederate motive noted above.

 

[Astrid]

Just like every other country. None of them look kindly on parts breaking away.

Plus there's the vile confederate motive noted above.

So land of the free is the hotel California.

Taiwan should be forced back to China,
and Ukraine, as well as Finland shoUld be returned to
the russian empire.

 

[durangodawood]

So land of the free is the hotel California.

Taiwan should be forced back to China,
and Ukraine, as well as Finland shoUld be returned to
the russian empire.

I'm not talking about whats just or right. We need to look at each of those cases individually for that.

I'm just saying the USA is normal regarding its attitude toward splitting up. Nothing special there.

 

[BCP1928]

So land of the free is the hotel California.

Taiwan should be forced back to China,
and Ukraine, as well as Finland shoUld be returned to
the russian empire.

Not necessarily. Keep in mind that initially the secession of the southern states was a stand-off. The actual shooting part of the war was started by the south.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

What keeps this country from moving forward is people looking backward.

You mean like by honoring a bunch of traitors?

 

[Astrid]

Not necessarily. Keep in mind that initially the secession of the southern states was a stand-off. The actual shooting part of the war was started by the south.

The N used all means necessary to force
the S back into the voluntary union.

So the " can never leave" bit is entirely
appropriate.

One nation ( under god) indivisible.

I'm not talking about whats just or right. We need to look at each of those cases individually for that.

I'm just saying the USA is normal regarding its attitude toward splitting up. Nothing special there.

Why look at individual cases if self determination is
not inherently just and right?

 

[Astrid]

You mean like by honoring a bunch of traitors?

Do you consider that the American revolution
of 1776 was carried out by traitors?

And for you too, is the USA a Hotel Cali. that
you can join voluntarily but you get shot for
trying to leave?

 

[durangodawood]

Why look at individual cases if self determination is
not inherently just and right?

The confederate case for self determination, rooted in the preservation of slavery, tells me that its not inherently just and right.

Or, if it is inherently right, there can be other competing values in play which may be more important. And so we're back to looking case by case.

 

[Desk trauma]

Do you consider that the American revolution
of 1776 was carried out by traitors?

To Britain, hence why I don’t think there’s many George Washington school buildings there. Just like how you will find things named after Waterloo in England but not France.

 

[durangodawood]

Do you consider that the American revolution
of 1776 was carried out by traitors?

The colonies were.... colonies. Sooner or later colonies ought be become either fully incorporated into the home country, or independant countries of their own. Lingering as a dependency where people lack the political rights of the home country is not just, if the people dont want that.

 

[BCP1928]

The N used all means necessary to force
the S back into the voluntary union.

After the shooting had started. But you are right, as Lincoln himself said, "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that"

So the " can never leave" bit is entirely
appropriate.

One nation ( under god) indivisible.

Why look at individual cases if self determination is
not inherently just and right?

To find out if it is real self-determination or not, or just the maneuvering of special interests..

 

[FireDragon76]

I don't question that many in Beijing decry the refusal
of this small population here is Hong Kong to
just move on, accept all the unaccountable arbitrary
control they are determined to impose on us.

I've been beaten and jailed for expressing my opposition.

Is the USA a voluntary association of states,
or an empire?

A regular hotel California, "...but you can never leave".

It started as a voluntary assosciation or covenant (with no provision made for leaving the agreement), but over time developed into a republic with more centralized government. The US Civil War marked the transition, with the issue of slavery being the material cause.

US empire didn't start until the late 19th century, with the invasion of the Philipines and Cuba by the US.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Do you consider that the American revolution
of 1776 was carried out by traitors?

Traitors to Britain, yes. Had they lost, they would not have been honored by the British.

And for you too, is the USA a Hotel Cali. that
you can join voluntarily but you get shot for
trying to leave?

As others have said, that's business as usual for secessionists around the world. There is no legal method for a territory to unilaterally leave (or join) the United States, and I think that's true of most countries.

 

[FireDragon76]

Traitors to Britain, yes. Had they lost, they would not have been honored by the British.

As others have said, that's business as usual for secessionists around the world. There is no legal method for a territory to unilaterally leave (or join) the United States, and I think that's true of most countries.

Congress has power to vote new territories in. Hawai'i was actually controversial: many paleoconservatives considered it "Asiatic" and were opposed to expansion, either due to racism or due to anti-imperialist principles.

 

[durangodawood]

Congress has power to vote new territories in. Hawai'i was actually controversial: many paleoconservatives considered it "Asiatic" and were opposed to expansion, either due to racism or due to anti-imperialist principles.

Puerto Rico too. I think its "too hispanic" for many tastes, even tho they already have (non voting) citizenship and can live anywhere in the US they want and vote as a resident of that state. And some fear 2 likely D seats in the senate, of course.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Congress has power to vote new territories in. Hawai'i was actually controversial: many paleoconservatives considered it "Asiatic" and were opposed to expansion, either due to racism or due to anti-imperialist principles.

Correct - what I meant is that a territory can't just declare themselves part of the US (or longer part of the US). It must be voted on by Congress.

 

[Hans Blaster]

True, but you have to admit the Declaration of Independence, which many around the world have deemed one of the greatest political statements in history, does provide the moral legitimacy for it.

I believe someone already cited the soaring rhetoric of confederate vp Stephens on the need for separation. (To keep Africans as slaves.) The moral depravity of the confederacy is well known.

 

[Chesterton]

I believe someone already cited the soaring rhetoric of confederate vp Stephens on the need for separation. (To keep Africans as slaves.) The moral depravity of the confederacy is well known.

Your moral judgment is irrelevant to the idea expressed in the document.