Violence?

[Unimatrix]

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[Individual-KesTrel]

You by the ability to make autonomus choices, would not be wrong to play any game.

However, you must realize that violence is really a strange, and primitive choice. Its illogical and it is contrary to the concept of love. It also must have a negitive effect upon intellect. Violence is a problem, rather then a solution.

These video games hardly make us think, if they do its just to think about creation of violence unto others.

If you'de like an answer, I think it that you're probally a smart enough individual to know if you ask the primairy question.

Formulate some more questions. Such as "What is the purpose of Violence ? "
" Those whom commit violent acts what are their motives for doing so? "
"Why would I want to partake in these violent simulations? "
"What do I have to benifit from violent simulations"
"Is this in line with god's (Creator, Great Intellect,Individual whom created the universe ) reason for creating the universe"

You have the freedom of choice to do things. However, perhaps you want to understand yourself better. So don't be afraid to ask you'reself questions and be prepaired to think about them.

Aaron I know you have the ability to make the correct choice. My thoughts are with you.

~ K e s T r e L

 

[SAPguy]

It's a GAME.

They are not made to stimulate deep thought in the participants. They are designed to be fun. A quick escape from reality.

Given, if a particular game causes you to have certain thoughts or do certain things that may be against God's teaching, then you should probably put that game down.

 

[Individual-KesTrel]

Why do you want to escape reality ? Do you want to escape you'reself ?

 

[jesusisahippy]

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[Ave Maria]

Ello all!

Right to begin with I play your average game, which may contain violence, shooting etc... Although from a Christian view, is it right for people (both non-christian and christian) to play these type of games? And would it be right to develop games for the gaming market that contain violence etc...?

I appreciate your comments!

There's nothing wrong with. It's a game, otherwise known as fantasy or make believe. Anyone who can't tell the difference between make believe and reality needs to stay away from such games. I say this because I am always hearing people blame violent kids on violent games.

 

[Individual-KesTrel]

Entertainment should help you enjoy you're reality, not try to escape it.

Thats similar to a reason certin individuals take drugs, to escape reality.

 

[Ginsu]

These video games hardly make us think, if they do its just to think about creation of violence unto others.

I can agree with that. I can't really remember when a video game of any sorts really made me think about the actions that were being commited. all I knew that I had to do is mash those buttons and make that other guy stop hurting me.

 

[SAPguy]

Why do you want to escape reality ? Do you want to escape you'reself ?

No, I'm actually perfectly happy with my reality. Thanks for checking though.

Think about this though. I can't very well go play in an NFL game for real, so by playing a game, it allows me to at least get that much closer.

Reading books is often considered an escape from reality because it talks about imaginary places and people. Many books even contain descriptions of violence .... I suppose we should refrain from reading those as well.

Once again, they are GAMES.... try not to dwell on it too much.

 

[Individual-KesTrel]

Perhaps, you should just do what you feel you'de like to do.

Its you're choice, not anyone elses.

Also, such things seem to me more of a way to enjoy you're reality, rather then escape them. On a side note, I dont think the NFL is very violent. Surly a contact sport yes, but violent no.

 

[Unimatrix]

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[Felron]

I don't think anyone can seriously deny that games aren't violent, and that they don't make us more agressive. The bottom line is that they do have a negative effect on us. If you fall in ****, you can't help but have some on you when you get up.

The real question: is it enough to make a person more violent. Agressive, I'm sure, but violent? This is the question. In more impressionable persons (druggies, children, manic depressive) minds, I'm sure it will. In a normal human being that knows violence is wrong, I don't think it would take such a serious effect.

Another questions, does it have a worse effect on us than Television? Personally, I don't think so, I really do think it isn't so bad. Games often have over dramatized violence, television on the other hand, it's so realistic. This does come down to the different Show or game. But the number of shows that realisticly violent do out-weigh the number of violent games.

So, there is no certin answer, but they surely do have a negative effect on a humans mind.

 

[WolfosTerrence]

These video games hardly make us think, if they do its just to think about creation of violence unto others.

Pah! Spare me. If games were always made to make us think, a lot of them wouldn't be fun. I don't think of gaming as an escape from anything, but just as a break to have some fun. I mean, running down a path shooting sovies to bits is always fun (talking about GoldenEye). You know what I think? It's games that do make you think that make you violent. Ever played SimCity? Or an Empires game? It's THOSE games that will make you want to kill someone in real life. Or at least beat the heck outta your punching bag.

 

[Individual-KesTrel]

I played Warcraft III for a while there. I was quite Skilled at it. I had quite skilled friends from other nations. It was a good experince. I do not think that its appropriate to start any kind of blame game. Such as I play this then I want to make the choice to be angry. Individuals whom blame their actions on other objects, individuals what ever the case, have much to learn. Anger was a difficulty for myself at a much younger age. I know some people continue with it, it is something that through diffrent approaches can be responsibly handeld. Walking away, breathing extersizes slowing down what ever you do.

Indeed, I rather think about other things. I dont play many video games anymore. However, yes some video games are not ment for us to think. Some are, its all about creativity I guess. I just personally feel that these hardcore violent games arent at all ve

 

[matE00]

However, you must realize that violence is really a strange, and primitive choice. Its illogical and it is contrary to the concept of love. It also must have a negitive effect upon intellect. Violence is a problem, rather then a solution.

These video games hardly make us think, if they do its just to think about creation of violence unto others.

I fail to see how violence is a strange or primitive choice. I would instead call it elegant and overused. I also don't understand how violence can have any definite effect on anyone's intellect, positive or negetive. That would be like me saying that love will always have a positive effect on a person, and that's just not true. Sometimes the strongest loves in the world have lead to the most violent actions.

I would also like to interject that violence is definitely a solution. What would you do if a person on the street held a knife to your neck - and you truly knew that person would kill you in a few short moments - but, through violence, you had the power to save yourself, be it via gun or knife or any other method. Or an even more powerful example, what if you could save the life of someone else through violence? What if you could save thousands of people?

Thirdly, it is also presumptuous to say that these games can't make us think. How many "violent" games have you really played, I mean truly gotten to the bottom of and played inside out? I have played quite a few, and I must say that my favorites are the ones that made me think, and while the goal of my thinking was to play the game better (ie, kill more efficiently), that was never part of my thought process. Instead my thoughts turned to teamwork and much more analytical thoughts, such as logical solutions to a problem, or a more efficient use of my time, or how to coordinate my teamates and I to do the best job we can. These are all problems encountered in our daily lives which, if solved, can help us lead fuller lives and not be wasteful with our time, our families, or at our jobs. Surely THESE are qualities which must be beneficial.

My point is just this: While you have some good points about violence, you can't just categorically label all violence "bad" or "good." Human beings are human simply because we have the power to decide whether something is good or bad on a situational basis, and not just act on instinct all the time. No love can be won through lies and misleading, only through truth.

unimatrix: Take the job!!! I'm sure it is a great job opportunity or else you wouldn't be considering it despite your conflicts with what you might be doing. Not only that, but you will have an opportunity to bring moderation to the table, ensure that the game is not just mindless violence, and ensure that people who play the games you help create will walk away not violent and angry, but happy, entertained and possibly having learned something.

cheers

 

[ego licet visum]

who cares as long as its not real?

 

[Ginsu]

I confess, videogames do make me a cruel, cruel person.

It is games like Sim City while as mayor I will not enforce any traffic control letting the citizens smother under a constant cloud of toxic smog. Sure tax rates are 0% all year, but when December 31 comes around, why I'd jack up the taxes to a inhumane level!

It is games like Roller Coaster Tycoon that I malicously craft a park called Nazi Land, where I lead many unsuspecting park guests down a fancy boulivard path only to cut them off on a dirt road and gate them all up into little pens as they would spend all eternity in! Managers like myself have parks that are only filled with 30 second rides that cost $5.00... my coaster designs consist of a back collide leading to hundereds of deaths per year... and no one can stop me!

 

[mikeTHEmelvin]

I confess, videogames do make me a cruel, cruel person.

is that with all games? or just simulation? so does that mean that if you played a shooter game, youd wanna go around shooting ppls heads off? scary world this place is

 

[Kokopelli]

Well, it appears I too have a confession.

I play games, RTS, simulators, and shooters. Depending on the genre of the game usually determines my actions throughout the game. First off, I cannot play games like the Sims for the simple reason that their stupid animations and actions make me want to defenestrate myself. So I tend to stick with the war games. One title in particular, Soldiers: Heroes of WWII, provides the ability to destroy buildings and control where a selected unit moves and shoots. I see nothing wrong with using an HE round to remodel a building loaded with enemy soldiers. Since the game also incorporates a nice physics engine, it is especially funny to fire a round near stacked objects, (crates, barrels, etc) to watch them fall on any enemy soldiers standing nearby. While I admit to purposely looking for "humorous" ways to eliminate the opposition, I would never even think of doing that to an actual person in real life. Nor do I glorify war for the amusing actions a player engages in while playing a game. This moves on to my favorite genre of game, the first person shooter.

It is while playing this genre of game that I find myself slip into the malicious b*stard of a gamer. While I tried to play titles like True Crime: Streets of LA and Thief: Deadly Shadows without gratuitous violence, there were several occurrences where I intentionally went on a killing spree around the map. To add to the killing spree, there were times where I laughed at what I did. I mainly laughed at the comments from the AI around them, e.g. the guard's responses when I placed an arrow in the back of a stupid peasant's head or the insults in Spanish from the pedestrians in True Crime. However, malicious actions like what I have listed stop there.

In the "real world," I am a very non-violent, level headed individual that actively seeks to avoid conflict. Little sympathy is held for individuals that set out to harm people. The activities carried out in the games remain in the games. While walking in public, I do not think about sneaking around killing people just to hear the responses of their bystanders.

Peace be with you.

 

[Individual-KesTrel]

I fail to see how violence is a strange or primitive choice. I would instead call it elegant and overused. I also don't understand how violence can have any definite effect on anyone's intellect, positive or negetive. That would be like me saying that love will always have a positive effect on a person, and that's just not true. Sometimes the strongest loves in the world have lead to the most violent actions.

Violence is a strange choice indeed, to understand we must first think about motives for the creation for the universe by the creator, god what ever you choose to call that individual. I like "Great Intellect" myself. Thats not the issue however. Consider the motives? I'de definitly say that it would not make sence to make more individuals in a purpose to annoy you, hurt you, distrib you do anything that would be repulsive. Rather positive exchange of feelings seems to be logical. You make you're own descion.
There for if we dont understand that its quite strange choice indeed. Here we all are and its just so strange that we choose to do these things to eachother by our own chioce. It just shows how confused and much mis understanding we have.

I would also like to interject that violence is definitely a solution. What would you do if a person on the street held a knife to your neck - and you truly knew that person would kill you in a few short moments - but, through violence, you had the power to save yourself, be it via gun or knife or any other method. Or an even more powerful example, what if you could save the life of someone else through violence? What if you could save thousands of people?

Violence creates a circle of revenge, quite more often then not it creates more violence. Self defence is a personal choice we must make when that moment arrives. Its a choice we can choose to make obviously and as the other indvidual is interfering with you're freedom of choice, then its fair that you defend yourself. However, in my case I would rather choose to die, a violent death can teach one alot about the universe. Its not something I look forward too however the natural cycle of life will continue. I have nothing to fear, nothing can truly harm my spirit to the point where I cannot exsist. My physical body will eventually wear out dispite my best efforts for that not to happen. Jesus son of Yehova, also faced a situation. I am sure you agree, that jesus had the capability through his understanding (which he also used to preform maricles, levitate to walk above water ect. ) to defend his self. However, he did not choose to commit a violent act. You see we always have a diffrent choice. I would see no harm from a violent death. I'de rather resist non violently.

Thirdly, it is also presumptuous to say that these games can't make us think. How many "violent" games have you really played, I mean truly gotten to the bottom of and played inside out? I have played quite a few, and I must say that my favorites are the ones that made me think, and while the goal of my thinking was to play the game better (ie, kill more efficiently), that was never part of my thought process. Instead my thoughts turned to teamwork and much more analytical thoughts, such as logical solutions to a problem, or a more efficient use of my time, or how to coordinate my teamates and I to do the best job we can. These are all problems encountered in our daily lives which, if solved, can help us lead fuller lives and not be wasteful with our time, our families, or at our jobs. Surely THESE are qualities which must be beneficial.

Okay my freind. I will not agrue, they indeed will make you think about problems and solutions. I am sure you can make it a positive experince with the correct discipline.

My point is just this: While you have some good points about violence, you can't just categorically label all violence "bad" or "good." Human beings are human simply because we have the power to decide whether something is good or bad on a situational basis, and not just act on instinct all the time. No love can be won through lies and misleading, only through truth.

I can't ? I think allready have ! I agree love cannot be forced, that puts conditions on it and it is simply not able to exsist any longer.

unimatrix: Take the job!!! I'm sure it is a great job opportunity or else you wouldn't be considering it despite your conflicts with what you might be doing. Not only that, but you will have an opportunity to bring moderation to the table, ensure that the game is not just mindless violence, and ensure that people who play the games you help create will walk away not violent and angry, but happy, entertained and possibly having learned something.

cheers

I agree.