Views on Hell and the problem with punishment

[Kristin E]

Wasn't aware I had the power to do such a thing. Why was hell created in the first place?

For the devil and his demons, he wanted his own kingdom so he has one.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

For the devil and his demons, he wanted his own kingdom so he has one.

I'm still confused so why didn't he just kill Lucifer instead of catering to him to appease him?

He seems to have no trouble killing innocent people so why not kill someone who's supposedly evil?

 

[Kristin E]

I'm still confused so why didn't he just kill Lucifer instead of catering to him to appease him?

He seems to have no trouble killing innocent people so why not kill someone who's supposedly evil?

Because Gods not a murderer.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

For the devil and his demons, he wanted his own kingdom so he has one.

Then how is it that humans end up there?

 

[DeepWater]

Many atheists and agnostics see a problem with the issue of Hell and punishment, .

Hell and Heaven, are simply eternal destinations.
The saved go to one, the Christ Rejector goes to the other.
Its not difficult to understand.
Its all about CHOICE., and has nothing to do with God sending them.
Does God send you to heaven?
NO.
Same with the other destination..

Its all about free will, and God respecting a person's right to choose their final destination.

Its all about free will, and God respecting a person's right to choose their final destination.

Be careful of your choice, as God is going to let you have it, and He's going to respect your freewill after you CHOOSE, for as long as he lives.

 

[DeepWater]

God is good all the time.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

Hell and Heaven, are simply eternal destinations.
The saved go to one, the Christ Rejector goes to the other.
Its not difficult to understand.
Its all about CHOICE., and has nothing to do with God sending them.
Does God send you to heaven?
NO.
Same with the other destination..

Its all about free will, and God respecting a person's right to choose their final destination.

So he doesn't send us to these places. It's not set up that he would send you to the place you supposedly choose? The answer is obvious there. If he wants what's best for us then why would he respect our decision to go to another place other than heaven? It's contradictory.

And what's a Christ rejector? Explain that.

 

[HitchSlap]

Because Gods not a murderer.

Like any smart mafioso, he sends his henchmen to do his dirty work.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

Because Gods not a murderer.

WHAT???

I beg your pardon a thousand times but can you back that claim up?

 

[HitchSlap]

God is good all the time.

Except when he's not?

 

[GrimKingGrim]

Except when he's not?

Euthyphro of course

 

[DeepWater]

So he doesn't send us to these places. It's not set up that he would send you to the place you supposedly choose? The answer is obvious there. If he wants what's best for us then why would he respect our decision to go to another place other than heaven? It's contradictory.

And what's a Christ rejector? Explain that.

The problem with the Christ Rejector is that they always want to run to the blame position and never take any personal accountability for their choices.

So, here is the situation.
You are going to die.
You dont get out of this because you dont like it or dont think it will happen.
The grave is not the end for you......its just the door to eternity.

Then, you are going to meet God, in one of two positions.........You are going to meet him as Father, or, you are going to meet him as Judge.
YOU DECIDE< HE DOESN'T.

A person who is honest, will not sit there and pretend that you dont know what the CROSS is all about.
You most certainly know that Christ died on it, and WHY...... and unless you are a completely deceived and dishonest human being, you also know you have sinned in word, deed, or thought, RECENTLY...., and you will sin more.
So you have sins, and someone has to deal with those.
You can deal with them or Christ can deal with them.
YOU CHOOSE !
NOT GOD.
And saying you dont believe that Truth is absolute, and that you prefer your opinion which states that situation ethics is your cup of tea, does nothing but prove you are lost.


So, here is how it works......
We are born here.
Cant be helped.
We are going to die.
Cant be helped.
God has created a way for our destination in eternity to be a choice., and he has created a means thru Jesus's death, for us to be accepted by him and be with him.
He's not interested in your opinion about it.
Its DONE.
If you want to play with it and say that you have another point of view, then so be it.........Have your point of view.......Have a few if you need to.
Have a new one every day.
But your point of view is not going to keep you from dying and from facing the Creator as Father or Judge.
So, Choose before you die.
And if you dont choose, then you have chosen.

So, Its a done deal..
You were born into this, and squeaking your protest is not going to excuse you from that day where you will be left to your choice.

 

[Kristin E]

WHAT???

I beg your pardon a thousand times but can you back that claim up?

God is bound by His law, if He was not bound by His law He would be a liar, and well He's definitely not a God that would lie.
Back it up? It's in the Bible if you read it, the only one who murdered was the devil, or man and mans own sin.

 

[Kristin E]

Like any smart mafioso, he sends his henchmen to do his dirty work.

I think you got God and the devil mixed up pal.

 

[HitchSlap]

I think you got God and the devil mixed up pal.

Maybe their different sides of the same coin.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I think you got God and the devil mixed up pal.

If God is the ultimate source of everything that exists, then He is at least indirectly responsible for anything and everything that happens, both good and bad because none of it would have happened had God not created the universe.

 

[Kristin E]

Maybe their different sides of the same coin.

Maybe the devil is a liar, the Bible says light and dark can't mix...

 

[GrimKingGrim]

God is bound by His law, if He was not bound by His law He would be a liar, and well He's definitely not a God that would lie.
Back it up? It's in the Bible if you read it, the only one who murdered was the devil, or man and mans own sin.

Wow sometimes this is too much even for me. And I live for argument.

 

[Kristin E]

Wow sometimes this is too much even for me. And I live for argument.

Well referring to your signature there it's obviously not that hard to stump you, it appears you already were a confused individual beforehand.

 

[Kristin E]

If God is the ultimate source of everything that exists, then He is at least indirectly responsible for anything and everything that happens, both good and bad because none of it would have happened had God not created the universe.

WRONG. Is a universe of robots a universe? Not really... God gave us all free will to choose.
God made His angels along with Lucifer, Lucifer was to serve God and play music but instead He chose to betray God.
Lucifer had made that choice on HIS own accord, God did NOT make Lucifer make that evil decision.
Just like God did NOT make man to sin and follow the devil, but He did make man with the free will to choose Him or the devil.

So to say He is indirectly responsible is foolish and absurd, God would be unfair and unjust to force us to follow Him so He gave us free will.
Essentially God does NOT technically send anyone to hell, they send themselves when they choose to follow the devil and walk in his wicked ways.