Views of Evolution Depend on Knowledge

[DogmaHunter]

You guys reflexively reach for the red herrings.

Protesting when discussion partners move the goalpost, is not a red herring.

It is rather, putting my finger right on the wound.

 

[DogmaHunter]

What I said is practical. If you are talking about action, then:

When your knowledge hit wall, then look at faith.

If you can't answer the question, or simply don't want to, then just say so.

Also, when knowledge hits a wall, the way to overcome it is to work harder. Not to just believe something.

 

[DogmaHunter]

What would be the point of me discussing other religions?

You might learn something.

 

[DogmaHunter]

In the practical sense other religions are meaningless to me

Then surely you should be able to understand how, along with all those other religions, your particular religion is meaningless to us atheists in the exact same way.

(although I do keep an eye on those Muslims).

I keep an eye on all people with faith-based beliefs, as all of them are quite capable of poisoning society with their unjustified/irrational beliefs. Some a bit more then others - depending on the number of followers as well as what exactly is being believed.

And yes, I do find that threatening to a degree. Still talking about all kinds of faith-based beliefs now - not just christians or whatever.

Take homeopathy. I consider that a real threat to health care for example.
Christianity, especially in the US, represents a real threat to the secular principles of a democracy, as well as education, if fundamentalists get elected.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Shouldn't Christians be good citizens as well? Should the "goodman of the house" not protect his dwelling from thieves that enter and "break up" his house, as these illegals have done?

Quite funny how you just validated the post you are responding to...

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Protesting when discussion partners move the goalpost, is not a red herring.

It is rather, putting my finger right on the wound.

Please. You not only moved the goalposts but the whole playing field by immediately (reflexively) citing the few species of flightless birds among the millions that fly.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You might learn something.

Like how not to steal more effectively?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Then surely you should be able to understand how, along with all those other religions, your particular religion is meaningless to us atheists in the exact same way.



I keep an eye on all people with faith-based beliefs, as all of them are quite capable of poisoning society with their unjustified/irrational beliefs. Some a bit more then others - depending on the number of followers as well as what exactly is being believed.

And yes, I do find that threatening to a degree. Still talking about all kinds of faith-based beliefs now - not just christians or whatever.

Take homeopathy. I consider that a real threat to health care for example.
Christianity, especially in the US, represents a real threat to the secular principles of a democracy, as well as education, if fundamentalists get elected.

Faith-based beliefs are applied in a practical way in daily life. Where's the threat? Who is harmed if I don't steal from them, or lie to them, or chase their wife, or murder them?

 

[SkyWriting]

Lol you can't have it both ways man.

Yes. The relationship might be there or it might be in one direction, or two, or not at all.
My example illustrated one possible effect.

 

[pitabread]

Faith-based beliefs are applied in a practical way in daily life. Where's the threat?

Do you believe gays should be allowed to get married?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Do you believe gays should be allowed to get married?

That's a legal/technical issue, not a moral or religious one.

 

[pitabread]

That's a legal/technical issue, not a moral or religious one.

s'funny, because religion seems to play a huge part in it.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

s'funny, because religion seems to play a huge part in it.

Religion often imposes itself where it shouldn't. It is enough that God condemns homosexuality. We don't need to add exclamation marks. They get the message.

 

[juvenissun]

If you can't answer the question, or simply don't want to, then just say so.

Also, when knowledge hits a wall, the way to overcome it is to work harder. Not to just believe something.

I start to question the sincerity of your question. I may not want to do that next time.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Please. You not only moved the goalposts but the whole playing field by immediately (reflexively) citing the few species of flightless birds among the millions that fly.

And these few examples that I gave (there are more then just these two, btw), completely obliterated your statement about how wings are designed for flight.

They aren't. Some wings are and others aren't. And among those that are, some of them are better at flight then others. There are gradations there. Exactly as we would expect from a process like evolution, by the way.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Like how not to steal more effectively?

No. Rather about other religions and how it relates to your particular religion. About other cultures and how they differ from your culture.

Staying in your own little bubble in your own little corner of the planet, will not be very helpful to learn about the world and humans in general.

But I get it... you have no interest to step out of your bubble. Too scary, perhaps?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Faith-based beliefs are applied in a practical way in daily life. Where's the threat? Who is harmed if I don't steal from them, or lie to them, or chase their wife, or murder them?

pssst: your dishonesty is showing again.

How about these:

- actively trying to crippling education by replacing biology/geology with bronze age tales
- actively discriminating against gay people
- actively discriminating against women
- actively discriminating against, and even dehumanizing, non-believers
- trying to dismantle the secular nature of society by blurring the lines between the separation of state and church
- traumatizing children by scaring them with imaginary eternal places of torture
- telling people that condoms (and/or other contraceptives) are evil and from the devil, and thereby also assisting in the further spread of HIV
- refusing to get proper health care for sick children because "it's all in god's hands anyway"
- …………

 

[DogmaHunter]

That's a legal/technical issue, not a moral or religious one.

That's a huge lie.
The only resistance to gay marriage, comes from religious beliefs.

Because religions, especially abrahamic religions, are as homophobic as it gets.
When you don't follow such religion, you have no reason at all to object to such marriage.

The resistance to this subject is entirely religious.

And you know it.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I start to question the sincerity of your question. I may not want to do that next time.

Whatever keeps you from answering the question, I guess…….

I'm merely asking you to clarify what you mean.
You choose to remain vague and beat around the bush.

That is your choice.
But then don't be surprised that nobody cares about what you have to say.

If you aren't willing to clarify your own statements, then why should we care about your statements?

I wouldn't even know how to care or what to think, because I still don't know what you meant by it. I tried asking you to clarify 3 times now and you still haven't done it.

So now, I can only classify it as irrelevant rhetoric.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No. Rather about other religions and how it relates to your particular religion. About other cultures and how they differ from your culture.

Staying in your own little bubble in your own little corner of the planet, will not be very helpful to learn about the world and humans in general.

But I get it... you have no interest to step out of your bubble. Too scary, perhaps?

I hear enough about other religions, I don't have to study them. No one lives in a complete bubble in this regard. Christianity takes into consideration just about everything one needs to know about personal conduct and behavior. Why look elsewhere, unless one finds some fault with it or is unable to live up to it's standards.