Views of Evolution Depend on Knowledge

[PhantomGaze]

Reading the linked article about the study, it sounds like the questions were carefully worded to avoid the type of issue you describe:

To measure participants' knowledge about evolution, for example, the researchers employed a National Science Foundation technique that starts questions with phrasing like "according to scientists" or "scientists would think." This, in theory, allows participants to answer based on what they know about a subject rather than what they believe about it.​

That perfectly answers my question. Thank you.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

More than likely, if one doesn't believe the TOE has merit, they either are ignorant of it and throw up their hands. Or, it scares them, because it contradicts a personal faith belief and the defense mechanisms go in over drive.

Or we're not bothered at all by it and are quite comfortable with creation. It is interesting to argue about though.

 

[bhsmte]

Or we're not bothered at all by it and are quite comfortable with creation. It is interesting to argue about though.

If the TOE didn't frighten some folks, they wouldn't have to constantly, misrepresent the theory, to make themselves feel better.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

If the TOE didn't frighten some folks, they wouldn't have to constantly, misrepresent the theory, to make themselves feel better.

Probably true.

 

[tas8831]

If the TOE didn't frighten some folks, they wouldn't have to constantly, misrepresent the theory, to make themselves feel better.

Exactly. And in my signature, we have another key...

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Yes. That's why you should care about the actual evidence.

Zoom out a bit. Leave the ToE alone for awhile.

No idea what you are talking about. And frankly, a bit reluctant to take you on your word when you are badmouthing science/scientists. It's not like you don't have a reputation or something. So again, let's care more about the actual evidence and less about what people say/claim.

I have a very good real life reputation. It's only among atheists and liberals on these boards that I don't.

 

[Ophiolite]

I have a very good real life reputation. It's only among atheists and liberals on these boards that I don't.

I guess that's because you don't hang out with atheists and liberals in real life. You should try it sometime. We don't bite.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I guess that's because you don't hang out with atheists and liberals in real life. You should try it sometime. We don't bite.

My good reputation is among atheists and liberals. I'm the only Christian conservative in my circle, including my family. I don't argue with them, just with you guys and gals. You should feel honored.

 

[DogmaHunter]

No changes except as noted: smaller class sizes, seating, mentoring. You are clearly angling for me to bring creationism into science classes. This I wouldn't do as natural science is actually the study of creation.... if the students eventually have the eyes to see it. But it's up to them.

Ok. Not sure how I should marry this with your earlier rants about how schools are "brainwashing" kids into atheism etc though… it seems quite contradictory with your usual rants.

But okay.

 

[DogmaHunter]

One Billion People Still Poop in Public

India is even worse.

One billion people still defecate in public despite health risks - UN

The data also shows that defecating in public is continuing to rise in 26 countries in sub-Saharan Africa, particularly Nigeria, where 39 million did not have access to toilets in 2012

So that's one reason.

What any of this has to do with rather universal moral values that theists like to claim exclusive rights on, is unclear (to say the least………..)

 

[DogmaHunter]

I have a very good real life reputation. It's only among atheists and liberals on these boards that I don't.

Perhaps that has to do with your reluctance to step out of your comfort zone.
How many "atheists and liberals" do you frequent in real life?


When refering to your reputation on here, I was talking about your habbit of badmouthing science/scientist based on very bad intel, strawmen and creationist propaganda.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The data also shows that defecating in public is continuing to rise in 26 countries in sub-Saharan Africa, particularly Nigeria, where 39 million did not have access to toilets in 2012

So that's one reason.

What any of this has to do with rather universal moral values that theists like to claim exclusive rights on, is unclear (to say the least………..)

These folks that spread disease with this habit are very religious, but their religion doesn't translate to loving their neighbor (or themselves) by changing this awful practice. They just don't make the connection. It doesn't lead them to a better life. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob does. What do they believe their gods want for them?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Perhaps that has to do with your reluctance to step out of your comfort zone.
How many "atheists and liberals" do you frequent in real life?


When refering to your reputation on here, I was talking about your habbit of badmouthing science/scientist based on very bad intel, strawmen and creationist propaganda.

Badmouthing = justifiable criticism (to whom much is given, much is expected).

As I said about the only people I do interact with are atheists and liberals, including my own family.

That said I'm delighted with the numbers of insightful folks that "agree" with many of my comments here.

 

[bhsmte]

Badmouthing = justifiable criticism (to whom much is given, much is expected).

As I said about the only people I do interact with are atheists and liberals, including my own family.

When you interact with them, do you tell them the world is going to hell and a handbasket (according to you), because people don't believe the right things?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

When you interact with them, do you tell them the world is going to hell and a handbasket (according to you), because people don't believe the right things?

We have more important things to talk about. I save those conversations for these boards.

 

[bhsmte]

We have more important things to talk about. I save those conversations for these boards.

What is more important than the world going down the tubes, according to you?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

These folks that spread disease with this habit are very religious, but their religion doesn't translate to loving their neighbor (or themselves) by changing this awful practice. They just don't make the connection. It doesn't lead them to a better life. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob does. What do they believe their gods want for them?

... did you actually read the pages you linked to? These people aren't defecting in the streets because of religious reasons. IT'S BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE FREAKING TOILETS!!

 

[OldWiseGuy]

What is more important than the world going down the tubes, according to you?

World conditions are out of my control, so I don't agonize over it. While I do think globally, I act locally.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

... did you actually read the pages you linked to? These people aren't defecting in the streets because of religious reasons. IT'S BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE FREAKING TOILETS!!

Not so. They don't use existing toilets because their habit of going outside is too strong. It's a cultural thing, like the aversion of most men to using condoms. They just don't see it as a moral issue, regardless of the harm it causes them and others. Christians identify behaviors that are harmful and try to change them, regardless of longstanding habits. That's the superiority of Christianity.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Not so. They don't use existing toilets because their habit of going outside is too strong. It's a cultural thing, like the aversion of most men to using condoms. They just don't see it as a moral issue, regardless of the harm it causes them and others. Christians identify behaviors that are harmful and try to change them, regardless of longstanding habits. That's the superiority of Christianity.

It has nothing to do with religion! You are making a mountain out of something that does not exist.