Victory margin

[Vanellus]

Is there a margin of victory (either way) such that the loser would concede victory on the night or is it inevitable there will be long-winded legal disputes etc. after the election?

 

[dogs4thewin]

I would hope that if it is not close there will not be an issue, but who knows?

 

[chevyontheriver]

Is there a margin of victory (either way) such that the loser would concede victory on the night or is it inevitable there will be long-winded legal disputes etc. after the election?

It will be in the courts no matter what. We may not know for a long while who really won. The loser may never actually concede. The Democrats did some wargaming and their conclusion that the ONLY way to avoid massive civil unrest was if Biden won by a landslide. So expect arson and looting and shootings and shutdowns. Go to the grocery store before election day. And hope and pray for really cold weather.

 

[wing2000]

Is there a margin of victory (either way) such that the loser would concede victory on the night or is it inevitable there will be long-winded legal disputes etc. after the election?

It's not inevitable....if on election evening Biden has clear leads in key states, it will be all over the the following day. On the other hand if it's close, and PA and FL results decide the election, it may take days.....or months with legal challenges.

 

[Fantine]

If we have to wait for Pennsylvania then they have three extra days to receive mail-in ballots, and then they will have to count those ballots that come on the last three days.

Both sides seem to be hyperfocused on Pennsylvania, and Obama has gone to Pennsylvania and Florida in the past few days. Trump is trying to go to places like "The Villages" in Florida, but, unsurprisingly, older people are angry he looks at them as acceptable collateral damage in the COVID pandemic.

I think Biden/Harris/Obama need to get to N.C. They hold a narrow league (as does Cunningham) but they especially need Cunningham to win the Senate seat. We already know that McSally, Gardner, and Collins are toast, but Doug Jones will lose to the inexperienced football coach in Alabama (sure wish he'd been running against the pedophile again--Republicans sure know how to pick 'em.)

So we need Cunningham to hold on, or else we need to flip Iowa (slight lead for Democrat), Montana (slight lead Republican), or either of the two Georgia seats. Not so sure Ossoff can pull it off. If it comes to Warnock (Democratic minister) v.s. Loeffler (insider trader and WNBA team owner who sent her team up in arms by making racist remarks) in the runoff, it seems as if Warnock has a clear lead. Well, of course. Insider trader during the pandemic? (Don't warn the people, cash in first.) Racist WNBA owner? How much more damaged a candidate could they pick--and never elected, appointed by Gov. Kemp (in return for stock tips, maybe?)

 

[Kenny'sID]

, unsurprisingly, older people are angry he looks at them as acceptable collateral damage in the COVID pandemic.

I did not know that. Is that all, or most old people, half...what kind of numbers do you have for us there? And please cite sources.

As I recall old people have been high on his list of concern, but I've been wrong before.

 

[chevyontheriver]

unsurprisingly, older people are angry he looks at them as acceptable collateral damage in the COVID pandemic.

I did not know that. Is that all, or most old people, half...what kind of numbers do you have for us there? And please cite sources.

Maybe they redefined me out of being old? Too old? Maybe I'm just not angry enough to count?

 

[Vanellus]

Isn't there right wing and left wing violence e.g. Charlottesville?

 

[Fantine]

Trump losing ground among senior citizens in the crucial state of Florida
Majorities of Men, Seniors and Independents View Trump Unfavorably With Less Than 10 Days to Election Day: Poll

Besides COVID, there is his position on Social Security:
Social Security Fund Would Be Empty By 2023 If Payroll Taxes Were Cut, Actuary Estimates (Forbes, conservative business magazine.)

One thing we know for sure about Trump is that, bad as he is, he becomes emboldened when rescued from impeachment by AG Barr's criminal obstruction (for example.) If he should squeak through next week, flush with the thought of 20 million Americans with no health insurance, he will become emboldened. Did striking a death blow to 20 million satisfy his lust for power? Not when he can go after 44 million Medicare recipients it won't!

Is he really as bad as I believe him to be? I actually think he's worse. As former chief of staff John Kelly said, he was the most "flawed individual" Kelly ever met.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Both sides seem to be hyperfocused on Pennsylvania, and Obama has gone to Pennsylvania and Florida in the past few days. Trump is trying to go to places like "The Villages" in Florida, but, unsurprisingly, older people are angry he looks at them as acceptable collateral damage in the COVID pandemic.

Yeah, the focus on Pennsylvania has been pretty insane. I've been getting multiple texts daily from various groups encouraging me to vote or remind others to vote, and my mailbox is always packed full of political junk mail.

I've been driving all over the eastern part of the state for work over the last month, and my colleagues are encouraged by the number of Biden signs that have shown up in certain areas compared to 2016, so that's a good thing.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Maybe they redefined me out of being old? Too old? Maybe I'm just not angry enough to count?

Some here clearly don't think we count, but they dont seem to be able to prove it's Trump who thinks that.

Oh, and can I get redifined as well, in body and mind? About 15yrs of redefinition would be great.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Isn't there right wing and left wing violence e.g. Charlottesville?

The Democratic Party wargamers came to the conclusion that the only peaceful way out was a Biden landslide. So maybe it's that there is far more right wing violence in America, as the left insists. Or not, as their wargamers conclude. I donno. I don't go out packing guns nor do I burn buildings down. Nor do I have friends that do.

 

[Tanj]

Maybe I'm just not angry enough to count?

Well...

So expect arson and looting and shootings and shutdowns. Go to the grocery store before election day. And hope and pray for really cold weather.

...no, I don't think anyone would say that about you, at all....having said that, I do like the idea that people intent on arson, rootin', tootin', lootin' and shootin' would call it off because it's a bit nippy outside.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

It will be in the courts no matter what. We may not know for a long while who really won. The loser may never actually concede. The Democrats did some wargaming and their conclusion that the ONLY way to avoid massive civil unrest was if Biden won by a landslide. So expect arson and looting and shootings and shutdowns. Go to the grocery store before election day. And hope and pray for really cold weather.

It's funny, because I've been told. By Conservative Christians, That if Biden wins. A civil war will happen.

 

[Triumvirate]

Isn't there right wing and left wing violence e.g. Charlottesville?

The former is disproportionately more severe.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The question hinges a lot on mail in ballots. Many states have to accept them if they are postmarked by election day, but received later. In some cases, this could keep some states up in the air for a while. I'm hopeful that Florida (which I think doesn't accept later ballots) will come in early for Biden and that and a few other states could seal the deal on election night.

 

[Albion]

Isn't there right wing and left wing violence e.g. Charlottesville?

The former is disproportionately more severe.

Not in the USA.

I don't know enough about the situation in yours to comment about the two sides there.

 

[Triumvirate]

Not in the USA.

I don't know enough about the situation in yours to comment about the two sides there.

No, the far right in the US has injured and killed more people.

 

[Albion]

No, the far right in the US has injured and killed more people.

We're not living in the 19th century at present, nor did Vanelius cite a 19th century or early 20th century event when making his point. But if you want to address the situation as it is...go ahead. Begin with over a hundred riots in over fifty major cities courtesy of the far left, and the deaths and injuries and attempted murders of policemen this past summer.

 

[Triumvirate]

We're not living in the 19th century at present, nor did Vanelius cite a 19th century or early 20th century event when making his point. But if you want to address the situation as it is...go ahead.

I have. The far right is a greater threat.

Anti-fascists linked to zero murders in the US in 25 years

Of course it does serve certain people and purposes to deny this.