Verses that Protestants can't Accept

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[calluna]

As an Englishman, raised in the Church of England, I am one who cherishes Sir Thomas Cranmer's Book of Common Prayer (BCP) and I would agree, it is a truly wonderful prayer book with prose and eloquence second to none. I would encourage all believers at least to familarize themselves with it, if not to study it in depth.

I suppose that if one wants to study English, the BCP is rather better than some of the insipid stuff that is included in syllabuses today. But where the BCP is spiritually sound, it takes its lead from the Bible, which is a much more reliable source when spiritual education and advance are required. And it is not always sound. Beware the siren voices that beguile with eloquence and fine-sounding phrases. They will not get you to heaven.

 

[Albion]

I suppose that if one wants to study English, the BCP is rather better than some of the insipid stuff that is included in syllabuses today. But where the BCP is spiritually sound, it takes its lead from the Bible.... eloquence and fine-sounding phrases. They will not get you to heaven.

Uh, there was no invitation to begin a dissection of the BCP. It is undeniably beautiful and scriptural, and this was written to a particular poster here who expressed an interest in this very famous book. No one asked if it will "get you to heaven" or anything else that has never been claimed for the BCP and would make no sense if it were so claimed.

 

[calluna]

the BCP. It is undeniably beautiful

Beauty being in the eye of the beholder, nothing is undeniably beautiful. The BCP is not even comprehensible to many. Scripture is only occasionally beautiful, according to the educated consensus, so it can hardly be said to be relevant that the BCP is beautiful where the Scripture's interests are concerned. Beauty in true religion is relatively incidental, if it is not a trap.

and scriptural

A much more contentious view, as history has proved. It is true that many found the BCP a great relief after the heresies, as perceived, of Rome, but simultaneously and subsequently many 'moved on', as the modern parlance has it.

 

[miguel_de_luis]

"They will put you out of the places of worship. The time will come when anyone who kills you will think he is helping God" (John 16:2, NLV).

It seems it's war in South America between Catholics and Non-Catholics.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It seems it's war in South America between Catholics and Non-Catholics.

Don't forget the "war" over in the East between Italy [RCC] and Greece [Orthodoxs]

 

[miguel_de_luis]

I don't, but I can't see the reason for a smile.

2000 years and still arguing... X(

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Protestants must ignore or distort much of the bible because it supports Catholicism.

Examples:

John 6

48</SPAN>I am the bread of life. 49Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died. 50But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. 51I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
52Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. 57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever."

You didn't indicate how this contradicts ANY Protestant dogma
OR how it supports ANY unique RCC dogma.

I realize SOME Catholics try to use this to support the 1551 Dogma of Transubstantiation (unique to the Catholic Denomination) but, of course, John 6 has nothing to do with the Eucharist (it's not even mentioned in the Chapter - or in the Gospel of John for that matter) and it has NOTHING to do with alchemy or Aristotle and thus NOTHING to do with the unique dogma of Transubstantiation. Even thus understood, it would better support the Lutheran teaching of Real Presence rather than the Catholic 1551 dogma of Transubstantiation.

1 Cor 11

For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." 25 In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. 27 Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself.

Of course, this makes the Protestant view of Real Presence seem more likely and the Catholic dogma since 1551 rather problematic. Paul speaks of the bread and wine MORE OFTEN after the consecration than before - making the RCC's claim that they don't exist (except as Aristotelian accidents) rather problematic at best.

Jesus prays for his disciples:

8For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. 9I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. 10All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. 11I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name&#8212;the name you gave me&#8212;so that they may be one as we are one.

This isn't a problem for Protestants...
I accept it. Every Protestant known to me does, too.

You'd lost me on why Protestant 'can't' accept this, when they all do.




Thank you.


Pax


- Josiah



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[CaliforniaJosiah]

Since 1/3 or so of all Protestants are Lutherans and you can add 100 million Anglicans to that total, it is probable that only a MINORITY of Protestants are memorialists.

Exactly.




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[calluna]

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Exactly.

"Wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction." Mt 7:13

 

[Albion]

Beauty being in the eye of the beholder, nothing is undeniably beautiful. The BCP is not even comprehensible to many.

Not to you, apparently. Everyone in my church understands it just fine, and I think there is every reason to believe that CelticFlower, to whom I was addressing my comments, will have no problem.

 

[Albion]

This thread has been around for months and no one has yet identified a single Bible verse that "Protestants can't accept." Nor has the author of the OP bothered to defend the proposition. It looks like a passing thought on his part that didn't deserve to have been made into a hread in the first place.

 

[miguel_de_luis]

Then let the thread die and let's move on to greener pastures, please.

 

[calluna]

Not to you, apparently. Everyone in my church understands it just fine

Perhaps they do, but they are apparently not too fussy about the eighth commandment.

 

[Albion]

[/color][/b]Perhaps they do, but they are apparently not too fussy about the eighth commandment.

Well, that doesn't describe anyone in my church, Cal, and you don't know what you're talking about.

Let it go.

 

[Albion]

Then let the thread die and let's move on to greener pastures, please.

It's a good idea.

 

[calluna]

Well, that doesn't describe anyone in my church

All strong on logic, too.

 

[Iosias]

I an accept these verses, what I reject is the RCC interpretation of them.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

"Wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction." Mt 7:13

Hmm. How wide are the gates to the Vatican?

 

[calluna]

Hmm. How wide are the gates to the Vatican?

When faced with the choice of taking the cross into account in all situations, of working out one's faith in fear and trembling, or saying that a piece of bread becomes God, nearly all of humanity will go for the crazy but easy option. So the gates of the Vatican are almost as wide as humanity.

"I've got a 'little' list-
They'll none of them be missed."

The Lord High Executioner