Verses that Protestants can't Accept

[chestertonrules]

Protestants must ignore or distort much of the bible because it supports Catholicism.

Examples:

John 6

48</SPAN>I am the bread of life. 49Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died. 50But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. 51I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
52Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. 57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever."


1 Cor 11

For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." 25 In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. 27 Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself.

Jesus prays for his disciples:

8For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. 9I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. 10All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. 11I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.

Jesus Prays for Unity Among Christians

Jesus Prays for All Believers

20"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you.

 

[HisWordisTruth7]

Your a trip bro..It also supports the defective orthodox..

 

[chestertonrules]

Your a trip bro..It also supports the defective orthodox..

What does? The bible?

Please elaborate.

 

[E.C.]

The verses can actually be used to defend many, not just Catholicism.

I know that there have been many anti-Catholicism threads lately, more so than usual, but is it really necessary to go "eye for eye" on it?

Whatever happened to being the better human and turning one's cheek?

The fact that shots are being fired back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, between Rome and the Protestants can truly be seen as how much both are lacking in the forgiveness area. Which could in turn be seen how much neither is the "True Church" so to say.

Rant over. Might elaborate more, but would be late Friday night since I'm working in the evening.

 

[Celticflower]

Protestants must ignore or distort much of the bible because it supports Catholicism.

Examples:

John 6

48</SPAN>I am the bread of life. 49Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died. 50But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. 51I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
52Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. 57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever."


1 Cor 11

For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." 25 In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. 27 Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself.

Jesus prays for his disciples:

8For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. 9I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. 10All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. 11I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.

Jesus Prays for Unity Among Christians

Jesus Prays for All Believers

20"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you.

I think it is more a matter of having a different interpretation of the passages than not accepting them. And the proof of whose interpretation is correct is still a ways off.

I also think that at some level all believers are united, but that each branch has a different job, like the various parts of the body. If we all did the same job in this world, many things would be left undone.

No branch of faith has things right 100% of the time. We all still see thru the mirror darkly.

 

[Yekcidmij]

Protestants must ignore or distort much of the bible because it supports Catholicism.

Examples:

John 6

48</SPAN>I am the bread of life. 49Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died. 50But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. 51I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
52Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. 57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever."


1 Cor 11

For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." 25 In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. 27 Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself.

Jesus prays for his disciples:

8For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. 9I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. 10All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. 11I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.

Jesus Prays for Unity Among Christians

Jesus Prays for All Believers

20"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you.

[sarcasm]
Your thread title was 100% correct....I just cannot accept those verses....you caught me[/sarcasm]


**runs off to ignore and distort**

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by chestertonrules
Protestants must ignore or distort much of the bible because it supports Catholicism.

When you can convince the Orthodox of that, then you might have something to go on.

http://foru.ms/t5805969&page=74
What would it take for Orthodoxs to come under Pope

quote: The Pope would renounce his Roman Catholicism and become Orthodox. There is nothing that would cause the Church as a whole to join with him.

http://christianforums.com/t6980813&page=4
That Martin Luther? He wasn’t so bad, says Pope

Story from the TIMESONLINE
From The Times

March 6, 2008

Pope Benedict XVI is to rehabilitate Martin Luther, arguing that he did not intend to split Christianity but only to purge the Church of corrupt practices.

Pope Benedict will issue his findings on Luther (1483-1546) in September after discussing him at his annual seminar of 40 fellow theologians — known as the Ratzinger Schülerkreis — at Castelgandolfo, the papal summer residence. According to Vatican insiders the Pope will argue that Luther, who was excommunicated and condemned for heresy, was not a heretic

 

[stumpjumper]

Mod note:

Thread focusing upon verses in scripture so thread moved to Christian scriptures.

 

[CShephard53]

Protestants must ignore or distort much of the bible because it supports Catholicism.

Examples:

John 6

48</SPAN>I am the bread of life. 49Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died. 50But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. 51I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
52Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. 57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever."


1 Cor 11

For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." 25 In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. 27 Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself.

Jesus prays for his disciples:

8For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. 9I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. 10All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. 11I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name&#8212;the name you gave me&#8212;so that they may be one as we are one.

Jesus Prays for Unity Among Christians

Jesus Prays for All Believers

20"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you.

Nice presupposition, but it's not backed by your verses, sorry.

 

[racer]

Protestants must ignore or distort much of the bible because it supports Catholicism.

Examples:

John 6

48</SPAN>I am the bread of life. 49Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died. 50But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. 51I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
52Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. 57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever."


1 Cor 11

For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." 25 In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. 27 Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself.

Jesus prays for his disciples:

8For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. 9I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. 10All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. 11I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.

Jesus Prays for Unity Among Christians

Jesus Prays for All Believers

20"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you.

I an accept these verses, what I reject is the RCC interpretation of them.

 

[holdon]

Protestants must ignore or distort much of the bible because it supports Catholicism.

Examples:

John 6

48</SPAN>I am the bread of life. 49Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died. 50But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. 51I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
52Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. 57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever."

This passage is so misunderstood and falsely taught by Roman Catholics. It is pathetic what they have made out of it. Vs 51 and 53 speak of a ONE TIME eating. This expressed so in the Greek. It is if one "shall have eaten", then he has eternal life. What it means is that if one has accepted Christ, he has eternal life.
The "eating" in the other verses refers to characteristics: he who has once believed, continues to feed upon Christ. This is expressed so in the Greek.

 

[Albion]

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but we can explain our convictions without any hestitancy. Let's see.

Protestants must ignore or distort much of the bible because it supports Catholicism.

Examples:

John 6

48</SPAN>I am the bread of life. 49Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died. 50But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. 51I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
52Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. 57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever."

It is apparent that this passage does not refer to the Holy Communion because it was spoken before the Last Supper. But that aside, it is entirely possible to see it as a foreshadowing of the Supper and still have nothing to do with the distortions made by the Church of Rome during the Middle Ages--Transubstantiation, etc. If the sacrament were considered spiritual and not carnal, the meaning would remain the same as far as Christ's words here are concerned. In fact, parts of it make it almost certainly an analogy to receiving Christ, not eating him literally. For example, "...and I in him" which cannot refer to the Catholic concept of 'eating the God.'

1 Cor 11

For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." 25 In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. 27 Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself.

This passage is entirely compatible with reformed theology and is recited weekly in many Protestant churches, so where you got the odd notion that we might ignore it is weird indeed.

Jesus prays for his disciples:

8For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. 9I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. 10All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. 11I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name&#8212;the name you gave me&#8212;so that they may be one as we are one.

Jesus Prays for Unity Among Christians

Jesus Prays for All Believers

20"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you.

Uh, yes. Jesus prayed for his disciples and for them to be united. What is your point? Catholicism certainly didn't bring unity but division. And don't forget, it's "ALL Believers."

 

[TimRout]

Transubstantiation is utterly indefensible if one considers the context of the OP citations. The breaking of bread is a remembrance and nothing more. It is the RC who ignores the plain teaching of Scripture out of deference for Catholic Tradition. Evangelical Protestants accept the 66 books of the Bible as their only and all sufficient standard for faith and practice. To suggest otherwise is to disregard reality.

 

[IronManMatt]

All you did was post some scripture and say that protestants don't believe it. What part do you think they don't believe. The part were Jesus restates that his is the bread of life and the fount of living water or the part that where Jesus says that we are to eat the bread and drink the cup in remberance of Him and who He is? Protestants believe all those things according to my experience therefor there is no dispute.

 

[Albion]

All you did was post some scripture and say that protestants don't believe it. What part do you think they don't believe.

Thanks for saying it. I was thinking of posting just about the same thing when I saw your message. The whole thread is bogus since Protestants DO NOT at all downplay or fail to accept these verses.

In an earlier post I made the point that, in fact, some of the wording posted is recited in every Communion service in many Protestant churches, so the choice of some verses that alleged are avoided by Protestants couldn't have been less accurate!

 

[beamishboy]

The title of the thread is so funny all ten toes on my feet started laughing.

Of course we Protestants firmly accept those verses in the Bible. But this time, it's the RCs who are being literalist. When Jesus said "I am the bread of life", that is not a reference to transubstantiation. Let's not forget that Jesus also said "I am the gate" but I don't see RCs worshipping the church gate. He also said "I am the good shepherd", "I am the vine". Can you understand? If all these do not refer to transubstantiation, why should "I am the bread of life" refer to it? I would not mind going to an RC church if they served roast lamb for communion just because Jesus said "I am the lamb". I hope you get the picture. If you take it literally, it can be really ridiculous.

 

[TimRout]

The title of the thread is so funny all ten toes on my feet started laughing.

Of course we Protestants firmly accept those verses in the Bible. But this time, it's the RCs who are being literalist. When Jesus said "I am the bread of life", that is not a reference to transubstantiation. Let's not forget that Jesus also said "I am the gate" but I don't see RCs worshipping the church gate. He also said "I am the good shepherd", "I am the vine". Can you understand? If all these do not refer to transubstantiation, why should "I am the bread of life" refer to it? I would not mind going to an RC church if they served roast lamb for communion just because Jesus said "I am the lamb". I hope you get the picture. If you take it literally, it can be really ridiculous.

You make a good point. Rome has an unfortunate tendency to take as literal that which is figurative, and take as figurative that which is literal. For example, the Bible clearly says that Jesus is the one and only mediator between God and men [1 Timothy 2:5], yet the Catholic Church still insists that Mary is the comediatrix of the gospel. Again, the Bible clearly says Mary had other children after bearing Jesus [Luke 8:20], yet the Catholic Church still insists that she is an eternal virgin. And even though the Bible says salvation is by grace through faith plus nothing [Ephesians 2:8-9], the Catholic Church still insists that only through the sacraments can a person acquire the grace needed for heaven; and even then, such grace demands strict obedience to Catholic Tradition -- salvation by merit -- salvation by works.

 

[beamishboy]

You make a good point. Rome has an unfortunate tendency to take as literal that which is figurative, and take as figurative that which is literal. For example, the Bible clearly says that Jesus is the one and only mediator between God and men [1 Timothy 2:5], yet the Catholic Church still insists that Mary is the comediatrix of the gospel. Again, the Bible clearly says Mary had other children after bearing Jesus [Luke 8:20], yet the Catholic Church still insists that she is an eternal virgin. And even though the Bible says salvation is by grace through faith plus nothing [Ephesians 2:8-9], the Catholic Church still insists that only through the sacraments can a person acquire the grace needed for heaven; and even then, such grace demands strict obedience to Catholic Tradition -- salvation by merit -- salvation by works.

You are spot on. That's the problem I have with the RC church. To me personally, the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles are almost totally unrecognisable in the RC church except that they do occasionally mention Jesus lost among the millions of references to Mary. I always maintain it's a different religion.

 

[blessedhusband]

The verses can actually be used to defend many, not just Catholicism.

I know that there have been many anti-Catholicism threads lately, more so than usual, but is it really necessary to go "eye for eye" on it?

Whatever happened to being the better human and turning one's cheek?

The fact that shots are being fired back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, between Rome and the Protestants can truly be seen as how much both are lacking in the forgiveness area. Which could in turn be seen how much neither is the "True Church" so to say.

Rant over. Might elaborate more, but would be late Friday night since I'm working in the evening.

Turning the other cheek is good, but it dosn't make you better. It makes you obdient. And about forgiveness; Those who claim to follow Jesus must forgive. there just is any other option. We also treat each other kindly. I don't come to this theology thread much because treating each other kindly seem to be an option especially when one is trying to prove he or she is right and the other is wrong. I have to remind myself at times
that i need to Christ like all the time (especially to our spouses) and not just when it's convenient.

Everybody has the need for God's love, His forgiveness,and His gentleness . Gbub (God bless you brother)

 

[GrannieAnnie]

I was a Catholic for the first 30 years of my life.....believing, devout and totally consumed by it, as was my family, my church was my life.

It was very painful to slowly start to see that some things just didn't make sense. I have a wonderful relationship with Jesus, which I also had during my years as a Catholic...but now I feel free.... Some of my family are still devout Catholics, and we respect each other. But you people have confirmed all the things I believed was wrong with the RC church.

Amen. Annie