Verse Supporting Arianism?

[Bulldog]

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

 

[Philip]

This does not support Arianism. It clearly states that Christ was a man. It does not deny His divinity.

 

[raptor13]

besides, you forget to read this verse in light of all of scripture, which clearly point to Jesus being full God and full Man

 

[Polycarp1]

True. There is a verse somewhere in the Epistles (I don't have the cite) that refers to Him as "the Firstborn of all Creation" -- which out of context sounds Arian, and was what I thought this thread would be about, but in the meaning Paul is structuring, it means that He is the lawful heir of the Almighty.

 

[The Thadman]

besides, you forget to read this verse in light of all of scripture, which clearly point to Jesus being full God and full Man

Just playing devil's advocate here, if Jesus is fully God and fully man, then his is still fully man, no?

He is also known as a son of man, correct?

Numbers 23:19
19 God is not a man, that he should lie,
Neither the son of man, that he should repent:
Has he said, and will he not do it?
Or has he spoken, and will he not make it good?

Peace!
-Steve-o

 

[Bulldog]

What the verse is doing is showing that God's nature is not like the sinfal ways of a man.

Numbers 23:19
19 God is not a man, that he should lie,
Neither the son of man, that he should repent:
Has he said, and will he not do it?
Or has he spoken, and will he not make it good?

 

[The Thadman]

What the verse is doing is showing that God's nature is not like the sinfal ways of a man.

Taking this "a step further"

I could say,

"I am not a porcupine, that I have spines,
nor am I a porcupine kitten, that I may have the capacity for them."

Am I a porcupine?

Peace,
-Steve-o

 

[thereselittleflower]

OK Steve . . why are you playing devil's advocate?


Peace in Him!

 

[Philip]

Taking this "a step further"

I could say,

"I am not a porcupine, that I have spines,
nor am I a porcupine kitten, that I may have the capacity for them."

Am I a porcupine?

From this statement alone? No. However, Numbers 23 is not the only chapter in the Bible.

BTW, are baby porcupines actually called kittens?

 

[The Thadman]

OK Steve . . why are you playing devil's advocate?


Peace in Him!

Learning how to be a proper moderator by prompting controversial, yet respectful, discussion

Shlomo!
-Steve-o

 

[The Thadman]

From this statement alone? No. However, Numbers 23 is not the only chapter in the Bible.

BTW, are baby porcupines actually called kittens?

I believe they are. I know for sure, though, that baby skunks are called "kittens." Either way the glove fits.

Shlomo,
-Steve-o

 

[HoT-MetaL]

Hitler believe that the Arians were a super, god-like, race that was brought down when they mated with the Jews. Thats reportedly why he hated the Jews.

Also, Arians have a STRONG link with Hinduism. Mainly to do with the THEORIES of how Hinduism came about.

Anyways, thats my part for this thread.

God Bless, metal.

 

[Biarien]

Hotmetal, that's Aryan.


Arianism was a 4th-century Christian heresy named for Arius (c.250-c.336), a priest in Alexandria. Arius denied the full deity of the preexistent Son of God who became incarnate in Jesus Christ. He held that the Son, while divine and like God ("of like substance"), was created by God as the agent through whom he created the universe. Arius said of the Son, "there was a time when he was not." Arianism became so widespread in the Christian church and resulted in such disunity that the emperor Constantine convoked a church council at Nicaea in 325 (see Councils of Nicaea).

Source: http://mb-soft.com/believe/txo/arianism.htm

 

[HoT-MetaL]

Please excuse my ignorance!

God Bless, metal... cheers for correcting me!

 

[A. believer]

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Verses out of context can be used in support of any number of heresies. That's why we must keep in the mind the principle of the analogy of faith. Scripture must always be interpreted in light of the rest of Scripture.

 

[PaladinValer]

A further correction: Aryan in the case of Hindus only means the Hindu-European Language family. It has nothing to do with Nazism or Hitler.

However, back to the topic at hand:

1. Son of Man basically is an idiom for human being and implies the quintiscential human being: Adam. Therefore, the title "Son of Man" basically means "New Adam"
2. Jesus was indeed fully God and fully Man. Both natures worked together without fault and in complete harmony. If they didn't, then Jesus wouldn't be the perfect Messiah under orthodox Christian beliefs, and therefore His death wouldn't have done anything. Arianism challenges this belief, which is why Arianism cannot be sound because we would then have a faulty Savior.
3. In addition, I don't see how your logical allusion (not illusion) fits. Please explain?

 

[Empyrean Squire]

John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God; 3 all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.

As previously stated, individual verses can be taken out of context and used to support any opinion the writer wishes to express. All scripture should be read and understood in light of the whole.

 

[Bulldog]

Hotmetal, that's Aryan.

I was about to say.

Arians a super race?

Hinduism? Arianism is heresy, but no that bad