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And you cant ask a person who aint on earth no more to pray fur ya.
Do you pray to Mary or ask her to intercede for you?
The meaning hasn't gone any where!!! Pray before you read, that God The Father give you understanding...nay, you believe unscriptural things. we both make arguments from Scripture. we can both claim learning from the Holy Spirit. so how do we, and all the others who disagree, figure it out?
By reading The Holy Bible! It is what we compare our beliefs with to make sure that they agree with what God says...
better yet, why do we have to figure it out
Because your salvation depends on it! If any of us dies believing a lie or lies or choose to ignore what God has told us---
"And there is no creature hidden from His sight,
but all things [are] naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we [must give] account. "
Hebrews 4:13
-- what happened to the teachings of the apostles?
The teachings of the apostles are easy to access... they are in The Holy Bible!
why have they faded away, leaving us to try and interpret the Scriptures for ourselves?
Because people don't open their Bible, they don't look up and find out for themselves whether what they are being taught is true or not. People can have an appearance of holiness and be anything but holy!
yes the Scriptures are the teachings of the apostles, but what happened to the meaning of the words?
The meaning of what they are teaching is still there. Some things are difficult to understand but for the most part it is simple to understand.
It was originally written in Greek... try to get a concordance/dictionary (Strong's makes several different ones to choose from!) one that has Hebrew/Greek words & definitions. The English language doesn't have the richness or depth that you get with the Greek! Also, you might see the same word in two different places but they have different meanings....
why is there so much confusion on the meaning of the words
Hopefully the answer above is helpful!
-- Paul taught his conregations in person what the words meant
Paul spoke to the congregations in their own language, they already knew what he meant, plus they had the Holy Spirit living in them to help them understand.
-- where has that meaning gone and why?
God did not allow The Church to be decieved, though there are those that say they are the church that are not!
The meaning hasn't gone any where!!!
my point was that if the meaning hasnt gone anywhere, then no person would ever have to interpret the Scriptures on his own -- we would just be taught what they actually mean -- we wouldnt have to desperately try to understand the Scriptures. God gave us the Church to hand on the faith (see Titus and the 1 Timothy I think) -- He doesnt leave it up to individuals to try to figure out what the faith is.
And who says that we do? Do you not think that we have full support of our churches including instruction? Do you think that Sola Scriptura means bible alone individual alone?
This has been what we have been saying.. Jesus Opens your eyes and ears to understand what the scriptures are saying. We do not interpret.. We read them and understand them..my point was that if the meaning hasnt gone anywhere, then no person would ever have to interpret the Scriptures on his own -- we would just be taught what they actually mean
God did not allow The Church to be decieved, though there are those that say they are the church that are not!
This has been what we have been saying.. Jesus Opens your eyes and ears to understand what the scriptures are saying. We do not interpret.. We read them and understand them..
This is basic ignorance. If you took the time to fully research the subject you would see there is a clear and concise difference between the two in understanding and in practice.
Joseph's brothers bowed before him -- did they worship him? and why does love and respect HAVE to be the same as worship in your eyes?
Getting down on your knees before an elevated statue of a woman, and praying to her is not the same thing.
Not so we could find other people, who have passed on, and who do not have omnipresent capabilities, to pray to God for us.
well which is it? praying TO Mary, or asking her to pray for us? pretty big difference there.
You know this how? Which Catholics?Catholics right here in this forum do both of those things.
May be quit different, but neither has biblical authority.
And who says that we do? Do you not think that we have full support of our churches including instruction? Do you think that Sola Scriptura means bible alone individual alone?
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