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(18) No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father
More than just "Catholic"
Ever prayed for someone? Ever asked someone to pray for you? That's intercession.
Ever prayed for someone? Ever asked someone to pray for you? That's mediation.
As for co-redeemer, there is no formal doctrine or dogma in the Vatican Catholic Church. In addition, while that language is used, it doesn't mean what you are erronously implying it does.
That is not what they believe. If you've been told that by your pastor, you've been lied to.
She was a virgin forever. They believed that in the 1st century.
As for not dying, actually, they believe she ascended, but whether she was alive when she did or whether it was immediately upon her death is up to personal belief.
Sorry, but that is not what they teach.
I actually am versed in what Vatican Catholicism teaches and doesn't. I disagree with them, as Epiphanygirl here will tell you, but I disagree based on knowing the facts of what they believe, teach, and practice, not some fantasy. You owe them that much respect at least.
That is why I get along with many the VCs here on CF, particularly Epiphanygirl. We disagree, but we do so respectfully and knowledgefully.
I would hope that you would actually stop and learn first before you continue. As you admitted, you were wrong about St. Mary being the Mother of God. Is it then possible that you could have been wrong then about other things?
The HS concieved Jesus in Mary's womb. Jesus's divinity was a product of the HS and Jesus humanity was a product of Mary. Mary then carried Jesus both divine and human until birth. Mary gave birth to both. However, Mary was JUST a human who could not have given Jesus his divinity. How can a sinful person give divinity to God?
The HS concieved Jesus in Mary's womb. Jesus's divinity was a product of the HS and Jesus humanity was a product of Mary. Mary then carried Jesus both divine and human until birth. Mary gave birth to both. However, Mary was JUST a human who could not have given Jesus his divinity. How can a sinful person give divinity to God?
Nestorians said that Mary gave birth to ONLY the human nature of Christ. That is a far cry from what I am saying.
It amazes me that just because someone does not agree with you, that you put them in some subgroup or label them something. That is just pathetic.
Get this straight, I do not agree with you and think that your view is unbiblical. Lets see, what subgroup do I put that in?
But she wasn't sinful, she was full of graceThe HS concieved Jesus in Mary's womb. Jesus's divinity was a product of the HS and Jesus humanity was a product of Mary. Mary then carried Jesus both divine and human until birth. Mary gave birth to both. However, Mary was JUST a human who could not have given Jesus his divinity. How can a sinful person give divinity to God?
Nestorians said that Mary gave birth to ONLY the human nature of Christ. That is a far cry from what I am saying. It amazes me that just because someone does not agree with you, that you put them in some subgroup or label them something. That is just pathetic.
Get this straight, I do not agree with you and think that your view is unbiblical. Lets see, what subgroup do I put that in?
Sleep well........I think I'll go read myself......Just got the Catholic Register newspaper today.....We're running around in circles here... I've said what I wanted to say and have overstepped my boundaries once, Lord have mercy. I'll let the others carry on; I'm going to bed.
God bless you all.
No, I am not. If that's the only response you can conjure up, I wonder if you've got any arguments left to stand on at all...
Your question has been answered a number of times, a number of ways. I am not going to repeat myself just because you refuse to contribute anything else to this discussion.
And would I be talking about the Nicene Creed if I didn't know it? I know it by heart. I say the Nicene Creed nearly every day. And it seems to me that you have to affirm the Nicene Creed to even be considered a Christian for the purposes of this forum. Why are you insulting me?
But she wasn't sinful, she was full of grace
But she wasn't sinful, she was full of grace
Riddle me this batman..........did your mother give you your soul or did God? She's still your mom right?
Really, duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Do you honestly think that Apostolic Christianity teaches that St. Mary gave Jesus His Divinity?
Wow...
Your opinion. Mary is NOT the literal mother of God. You believe what you want.Your words do say that when you deny that she is the Mother of God.
Your label.Nestorianism is what you say, even though you state otherwise.Unbiblical is what you say, even though you state otherwise.
Rom 3:23
(23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
That includes Jesus too, right? He's part of all, because He is 100% human, don't forget.
All therefore doesn't mean a literal all. It is a hyperbole: Jesus and His Mother are exceptions.
Your opinion. Mary is NOT the literal mother of God. You believe what you want.
That includes Jesus too, right? He's part of all, because He is 100% human, don't forget.
All therefore doesn't mean a literal all. It is a hyperbole: Jesus and His Mother are exceptions.
No, Him and His Mother.
Where does it specifically say she ever sinned?
Ever prayed for someone? Ever asked someone to pray for you? That's mediation.
I have many times on this thread something doesn't mean what I believe it does, but with no explanation of what it means. Care to enlighten me on what a Co-redeemer is?As for co-redeemer, there is no formal doctrine or dogma in the Vatican Catholic Church. In addition, while that language is used, it doesn't mean what you are erronously implying it does.
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