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Vegetarianism is Necessary

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Vegetarianism is Necessary

*All Quotes from the Inspired Writings of Ellen G. White*
MCP 390 Those who persist in eating the flesh of animals sacrifice spirituality to perverted appetite. Their bodies become full of disease. --MS 66, 1901



MS 156, 1901
400. When the message comes to those who have not heard the truth for this time, they see that a great reformation must take place in their diet. They see that they must put away flesh food, because it creates an appetite for liquor,
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and fills the system with disease. By meat eating, the physical, mental, and moral powers are weakened. Man is built up from that which he eats. Animal passions bear sway as the result of meat eating, tobacco using, and liquor drinking. The Lord will give His people wisdom to prepare from that which the earth yields, foods that will take the place of flesh meat. Simple combinations of nuts and grains and fruits, manufactured with taste and skill, will commend themselves to unbelievers. But as a usual thing, too many nuts are used in the combinations made. {CD 268.4}





Those who use flesh meats freely do not always have an unclouded brain and an active intellect, because the use of the flesh of animals tends to cause a grossness of body and to benumb the finer sensibilities of the mind. The liability to disease is increased by flesh eating. We do not hesitate to say that meat is not essential to the maintenance of health and strength. {CH 115.1}





If the person already has impure blood, this unhealthful condition will be greatly aggravated. But few can be made to believe that it is the meat they have eaten which has poisoned their blood and caused their suffering. Many die of diseases wholly due to meat eating, when the real cause is scarcely suspected by themselves or others. Some do not immediately feel its effects, but this is no evidence that it does not hurt them. It may be doing its work surely upon the
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system, yet for the time being the victim may realize nothing of it. {CH 115.2}



Some, after adopting a vegetarian diet, return to the use of flesh meat. This is foolish indeed and reveals a lack of knowledge of how to provide proper food in the place of meat. {7T 126.4}





Concerning flesh meat, we should educate the people to let it alone. Its use is contrary to the best development of the physical, mental, and moral powers. And we should bear a clear testimony against the use of tea
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and coffee. It is also well to discard rich desserts. Milk, eggs, and butter should not be classed with flesh meat. In some cases the use of eggs is beneficial. The time has not come to say that the use of milk and eggs should be wholly discarded. There are poor families whose diet consists largely of bread and milk. They have little fruit and cannot afford to purchase the nut foods. In teaching health reform, as in all other gospel work, we are to meet the people where they are. Until we can teach them how to prepare health reform foods that are palatable, nourishing, and yet inexpensive, we are not at liberty to present the most advanced propositions regarding health reform diet. {7T 134.6}

Meat​
is not essential for health or strength, else the Lord made a mistake when He provided food for Adam and Eve before their fall. All the elements of nutrition are contained in the fruits, vegetables and grains. {TSDF 62.4}



But the Hebrews were not satisfied. They despised the food given them from heaven, and wished
themselves back in Egypt, where they could sit by the flesh-pots. They preferred slavery, and even death, rather than to be deprived of meat. God, in His anger, gave them flesh to gratify their lustful appetites, and great numbers of them died while eating the meat for which they had lusted. {TSDF 62.9}





Remember that when you eat flesh-meat, you are but eating grains and vegetables second-hand; for the animal receives from these things the nutrition that makes it grow and prepares it for market. The life that was in the grains and vegetables passes into the animal, and becomes part of its life, and then human beings eat the animal. Why are they so willing to eat their food second-hand? {TSDF 65.8}





In the beginning, fruit was pronounced by God as "good for food." The permission to eat flesh-meat was a consequence of the fall. Not till after the flood was man given permission to eat the flesh of animals. Why then need we eat flesh-meat? Few who eat this know how full it is of disease. Flesh-meat never was the best food, and now it is cursed by disease. {TSDF 66.1}



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Haggai said:
It is necessary for good health. If you harm your body, you are harming the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Now that all depends on where you live. Vegetarianism isn't an option for some people.

Also, being a vegetarian doesn't guarantee good health. There are meat eaters who are healthier than some vegetarians.

It just so happens that I am a meat eater, and can out exercise every vegetarian I know.

Nevertheless, vegetarianism is good.
 
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1thesseloinians 5:20 Despise not prophesyings.

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Ellen white was a prophet, the things she wrote were not her opinion they were the words of God, and if we reject Gods words and instruction we reject God Himself. Obedience is a salvation issue and by not obeying the prophet our church is rejecting God and choosing to pick and choose like this is some sort of buffet, where do we find that this is some option? That we can pick and choose what we will do, we must follow all of God or none, there is no in between. God is looking for obedient children who follow the Lamb wither so ever He goeth, who dont whine and constantly look back to egypt, and desire the world, but a people that desire Him and His righteousness. There is a line between Gods mercy and Gods wrath, and by constantly questioning Him and treating him like a buffet by picking and choosing, we are very quickly aproaching His wrath. Lets stand up and be men and women for God. Lets be a peculiar people. By continually sacraficing our beliefs and by compromising and going farther and farther from the foundation and pillars of our faith we are moving closer and closer towards finally completly turning our backs on God and worshiping the sun, or sunday. Read ezekial chapter 8, thats exactly where the SDA system is today.

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
 
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woobadooba said:
Now that all depends on where you live. Vegetarianism isn't an option for some people.
How is it not an option? Wherever you live there are plans to eat. Even in the desert, weeds are edible. God will provide, your water shall be sure.

Also, being a vegetarian doesn't guarantee good health. There are meat eaters who are healthier than some vegetarians.
This is true, but you cannot be 100% healthy if you are not a vegetarian. The above Ellen White quotes, if you bother to read any before making a statement, say that meat perverts the mind and lessens the your spirituality. Now i'm sure this can be true for other foods as well, so probably the best way to go is veganism.

It just so happens that I am a meat eater, and can out exercise every vegetarian I know.

Nevertheless, vegetarianism is good.
Well, this is probably because so many vegetarians, especially adventist ones, substitute in every other bad food for meat. Meat is especially important to rid yourself of, it is second-hand food, why not eat first-hand in the first-place? Nearly three-fourths of all meat on the market in the world today is contaminated, and more and more are getting mad-cow disease. Many people die from mad-cow but on their death-certificate will it hardly ever say so because this will surpress the meat industry and that would be bad for the greedy people at the top. If you reject what Ellen White says about meat, with the excuse of that you are just as healthy as any vegetarian, then do as you please, but her words are not her own but of God's. She was inspired by the same God the writers of the Bible were and is thus of equal importance.
 
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Hi,

I can only speak for myself. I used to eat all kinds of junk before: pork, seafood, ...you name it. Since I became an Adventist, I did away with pork and seafood. And I recently stopped eating chicken, fish, dairy product and high sugar food. I can say I feel so much more energized and I never got the 3pm after lunch dose-off I used to get.

Now I realize that raw fruit and vegetable diet is still better than cooked food. But I'm not there yet. I'd like to get there because I know that was the original diet God created us to eat.

I know some people's systems are so used to eating meat that they can get very sick before they get better. But I believe that's something we all need to strive for.

Our entire society is not setup to keep us healthy. From the processed food we buy, to the air we breath, the water we drink, to the medicine we take from the pharmacy (sorcery), to the shots we take in the doctors' office, everything is designed to make us sick and for them to make the most money out of it.

Compound that with the all the diseases that pops up nowadays: AIDS, SARS, mad cow, bird flu... we are truly at the beginning of the end while our governments poised to exterminate about half of the population to begin their new world order.

I believe when God calls us out of Babylon, it's not just the religious confusion, it's also the unhealthy food that satan has us under the bondage of our apatite (notice every unhealthy food taste good?) and the satanic health care system... to return to the healthy diet and natural remedies.
Just something for thoughts...
 
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Haggai said:
How is it not an option? Wherever you live there are plans to eat. Even in the desert, weeds are edible. God will provide, your water shall be sure.

There are countries that do not have an abundance of vegetation that can be consumed by humans like others do. And the little vegetation that they do have can only be afforded by those who are wealthy enough to enjoy it, or have land to cultivate it. My wife is from the Philippians, and she cen verify this.

This is true, but you cannot be 100% healthy if you are not a vegetarian. The above Ellen White quotes, if you bother to read any before making a statement, say that meat perverts the mind and lessens the your spirituality. Now i'm sure this can be true for other foods as well, so probably the best way to go is veganism.

Did not Jesus it meat? Was His mind perverted? I don't agree with Ellen White on this issue, sorry.

And what does it mean to be 100% healthy? Can you run 2 miles in less than 24 minutes? And can you endure an intense workout for 2 hours?

One more thing...

Do you enjoy eating sweets and fake meats that are replete with all kinds of harmful chemicals?

Well, this is probably because so many vegetarians, especially adventist ones, substitute in every other bad food for meat. Meat is especially important to rid yourself of, it is second-hand food, why not eat first-hand in the first-place?

It was good enough for Jesus, so why can't it be good for us?

Nearly three-fourths of all meat on the market in the world today is contaminated, and more and more are getting mad-cow disease. Many people die from mad-cow but on their death-certificate will it hardly ever say so because this will surpress the meat industry and that would be bad for the greedy people at the top.

Not all meat eaters eat beef. And did you know that mad cow disease can also be transmitted through dairy products?

You know, I'm trying to do the best I can to be healthy. God knows my heart. And I trust that He will safeguard me, a meat eater, from such things, because my intentions are good.

If you reject what Ellen White says about meat, with the excuse of that you are just as healthy as any vegetarian, then do as you please, but her words are not her own but of God's.

No, her words are not God's words. In some cases they are God's thoughts, yes, but not His words. And the Bible says all food is good if it is eaten with thanksgiving to God!
 
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There is nothing wrong with eating meat! It says in the Bible! Do you read the Bible? It also states the ones that aren't good, but there are many that are ok. Example: For morning you eat striples. For lunch you eat hamburgrs. For supper you eat pepperoni pizza. If this keeps going, yeah, you are probably going to get obeise, get a disease, or die early. But think about THIS: Vegeterians eat animal fat. The only real eating diet away from all meat is veganism. Think. No ice cream. No chocolate. Not even cheese! Are you feeling ok? cause that has gotta stink.
 
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AnnaBanana said:
There is nothing wrong with eating meat! It says in the Bible! Do you read the Bible? It also states the ones that aren't good, but there are many that are ok. Example: For morning you eat striples. For lunch you eat hamburgrs. For supper you eat pepperoni pizza. If this keeps going, yeah, you are probably going to get obeise, get a disease, or die early. But think about THIS: Vegeterians eat animal fat. The only real eating diet away from all meat is veganism. Think. No ice cream. No chocolate. Not even cheese! Are you feeling ok? cause that has gotta stink.

I would think that ice cream, chocolate and cheese are not the best prefered diets to on if one wants to be healthy.
 
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Removing meat from our diet is not a requirement. Any diet that is taken to an extreme can be a danger to ones health. Eat as with anything else in moderation and exercise is a blessing too :)

Since Jesus is our perfect example and our only savior we are better served following Him. Please note the verses below for serious consideration. Danke

Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace [be] unto you.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them [his] hands and [his] feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took [it], and did eat before them.

Act 10:41 — Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, [even] to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
 
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Seraph1m said:
Removing meat from our diet is not a requirement. Any diet that is taken to an extreme can be a danger to ones health. Eat as with anything else in moderation and exercise is a blessing too :)

Since Jesus is our perfect example and our only savior we are better served following Him. Please note the verses below for serious consideration. Danke

Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace [be] unto you.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them [his] hands and [his] feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took [it], and did eat before them.

Act 10:41 — Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, [even] to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

Even exercise in moderation, I have found that out the hard way.

Don't over do it. Although that probably does not apply to most people. But if it does then take it easy.
 
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No human is 100% healthy we live in a sinful world so there are bound to be 0.0000001 defects in even the most healthy looking person no matter the diet. And no vegetarianism/veganism is not next to godliness no matter how many times (some) Adventists like to imply that it is. Salvation by diet is as logical as salvation by internet forum posting
 
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woobadooba said:
There are countries that do not have an abundance of vegetation that can be consumed by humans like others do. And the little vegetation that they do have can only be afforded by those who are wealthy enough to enjoy it, or have land to cultivate it. My wife is from the Philippians, and she cen verify this.
I'm sure poor countries have more vegetation that most wealthy countries.


Did not Jesus it meat? Was His mind perverted? I don't agree with Ellen White on this issue, sorry.
Jesus was recorded in the Bible only to eat fish, but that was when meat was clean anyhow. Now days meat is unhealthy and that is why Ellen White told us to stop. And if you do not agree with Ellen White, you are rejecting God, for the words of Ellen White are not but her own, but inspired of God. She was inspired by the same God as the writers of the Bible.

And what does it mean to be 100% healthy? Can you run 2 miles in less than 24 minutes? And can you endure an intense workout for 2 hours?

One more thing...

Do you enjoy eating sweets and fake meats that are replete with all kinds of harmful chemicals?
Being able to do physical activities is not being healthy, Im sure there are a lot of people on steroids who can run 3 miles in under 24 minutes and endure an intense workout for 2 hours, but are they healthy? Of course not.

As to the "do you enjoy sweets and fake meats...", I occasionally have a cookie or two, and I don't really have much vege-meat. And yes, I do not that the vege-meat is just as harmful as real meat, except that vege-meat cannot carry mad-cow disease.



It was good enough for Jesus, so why can't it be good for us?



Not all meat eaters eat beef. And did you know that mad cow disease can also be transmitted through dairy products?

You know, I'm trying to do the best I can to be healthy. God knows my heart. And I trust that He will safeguard me, a meat eater, from such things, because my intentions are good.
God will not bless food that He has cursed.
"I'm goinng to jump off a bridge, but God will save me..." type of thing doesn't work.



No, her words are not God's words. In some cases they are God's thoughts, yes, but not His words. And the Bible says all food is good if it is eaten with thanksgiving to God!
Ellen White was inspired by the Holy Spirit, the same Holy Spirit, in the same was as the apostles, and any other prophet who contributed to the Bible. If you reject Ellen White as a prophet, then so be it. Also, the National Geographic had a report about Adventist and how they live the longest, two of the reasons they observed were the Sabbath, and that a lot of them were Vegetarians. It is scientifically provable that vegetarians are healthier and live longer.

God bless...Please do not take offense to my words, I do not mean to offend you in any way.
 
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moicherie said:
No human is 100% healthy we live in a sinful world so there are bound to be 0.0000001 defects in even the most healthy looking person no matter the diet. And no vegetarianism/veganism is not next to godliness no matter how many times (some) Adventists like to imply that it is. Salvation by diet is as logical as salvation by internet forum posting

I didn't mean it literally. It is a figurative statement. I know salvation by food is not so, but by faith. But you must be healthy as well. How shall you go through the tribulation 100 pounds overweight and unable to walk 20 feet without panting?
 
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Haggai said:
I didn't mean it literally. It is a figurative statement. I know salvation by food is not so, but by faith. But you must be healthy as well. How shall you go through the tribulation 100 pounds overweight and unable to walk 20 feet without panting?
There are plenty of meat eaters that don't fit this description!

In fact, I'm sure that there are plenty of them that are in better shape than you.
 
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