Vegetarianism: Doctrine of demons?

[OntheDL]

'puffer-fish' are "clean".you just have to find his little valve(where he was blown up in the 1st place) and let all the air out so he will fit in your mouth.

the Puffer-fish has a deadly poison. Mostly that poison is on the skin.

 

[PattyOfurniture]

the Puffer-fish has a deadly poison. Mostly that poison is on the skin.

I hear ya.we have them here.but you can eat them,if you know how to clean them.actually Homer Simpson was given just 24 hours to live (mistakenly) because his sushemi chef was in disposed and the janitor took over....(not kidding)

 

[daro2096]

I hear ya.we have them here.but you can eat them,if you know how to clean them.actually Homer Simpson was given just 24 hours to live (mistakenly) because his sushemi chef was in disposed and the janitor took over....(not kidding)

You can eat puffer fish if you can get rid of the poison(you got to have someone who knows what they are doing).

 

[Windmill]

I was listening to a Christian radio station on my drive home tonight and a pastor (not Adventist) had a very (ahem) interesting sermon on vegetarianism. His basic premise is as follows (I pulled over and took notes):

Vegetarianism was part of honoring demons in the pre-flood corruption of humanity. In 1 Timothy 4:1-3, Paul claims people will follow seducing or decieving spirits and teachings of demons which includes abstaining from certain foods which God created to be recieved with thanksgiving. History and archeology show that in demonic religions vegetarianism was rampant. Hinduism, Buddhism and certain New Age religions all embrace vegetarianism. Vegetarianism is taught in these religions in conjunction with the promises of heightened spiritual awareness or the elitist, superior quality of a person who abstains from meat-this is actually a doctrine of demons that can be connected with spirit worship and spirit honoring. Religious vegetarianism that promises enhanced spiritual perception or heightened spiritual awareness is actually demonic teaching.

Have you figured out where he is going with this yet? I hope I don't have to spell it out for you, but, yes, he is definitely going there:

Adventism elevates vegetarianism to salvation status. They are no better than the false Eastern religions that use diet to bring themselves closer to the spirit realm. Ellen White made claims such as 'meat-eaters will not be translated in the end', 'controls the animal passions and subdues the sensual nature', 'meat-eating enervates the nervous system and inflames man's nature to base, carnal, animal-like qualities' and 'vegetarianism provides a clear mind to percieve the Spirit better'. Mrs. White clearly taught enhanced spirituality through the medium of vegetarianism.

I have heard this premise before, but this guy just takes it to a whole new level!

Has anyone else heard this argument? I'm not vegetarian and will never be one, so it is a moot issue for me. But it is clearly a unique, fancy attempt at discrediting vegetarianism.

Haha, how funny! I've never heard of this before!

[bible]Romans 14:6[/bible]

I eat whatever I'm fed within the health food laws, as I consider it not worth the effort to be strictly vege even when I'm at other peoples houses! I mean, if they feed you a piece of lamb, what are you going to do, turn it away because you are a vegetarian?! Thats just quite rude. Health is important, but I'd prefer to not offend someone!

I laos just sometimes eat it myself. Though, I'd prefer not to, simply because it isn't all that healthy- not because it has anything to do with a salvation issue, or a spiritual issue. I do not buy into the idea that meat eating effects how "spiritual" you are, or effects your closeness with God (!!!)

 

[elishebabb]

Eating meat in scripture was only on special occasions. The requirement to eat it is only on Passover. The Almighty made meat very labor intensive..slaughtering, skinning, draining blood, etc. This would seem to be for the prevention of eating it too often. The animal was raised at home, slaughtered by the family, & eaten the same day - no leftovers. The difference in today's style of meat eating is dramatic.. .. & very unhealthy.

 

[Mankin]

There be necromancy afoot.

 

[MachineElf]

Hahahahahaha, oh wow. ;D
There are several religions that refuse to eat certain meats the bible considers unclean as well.
What does that mean?
Not much, just that some truth remained in the hearts of man.
Oh, and I believe that "spiritual awareness" works both ways, depending on which side you chose.
Let me elaborate.
Fasting is a common spiritual exercise (some see it as some sort of 'bribe' for god, but that's beside the point) practiced at least since the time of Babel.
If a Christian fasts earnestly, s/he will eventually learn more about god and also learn to focus better while praying.
If a demon priest does the same, his awareness will be heightened as well, but he will become closer to Satan instead of Yaweh.

 

[LW97Nils]

That depends. To be vegetarian or even vegan personally is no problem. It however becomes a problem if you draw others to live that way, which would defile their conscience.

 

[reddogs]

That depends. To be vegetarian or even vegan personally is no problem. It however becomes a problem if you draw others to live that way, which would defile their conscience.

Lot of people extol the benefits of the original diet, I don't think its a problem at any level...

 

[Winterleaf]

Here's my thoughts on Vegetarianism:
Acts 10: 9-15

On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

 

[BobRyan]

I was listening to a Christian radio station on my drive home tonight and a pastor (not Adventist) had a very (ahem) interesting sermon on vegetarianism. His basic premise is as follows (I pulled over and took notes):

Vegetarianism was part of honoring demons in the pre-flood corruption of humanity.

sounds like the guy forgot to read Gen 1 and 2.

Or did He think our Creator God - in Gen 1 and 2 was taking his direction from demons when He told Adam and Eve to eat the fruit of trees and plants.?

In 1 Timothy 4:1-3, Paul claims people will follow seducing or decieving spirits and teachings of demons which includes abstaining from certain foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving.

Indeed demons can certainly forbid food that God allows - in their wrong-headed instruction to mankind. no doubt.

History and archeology show that in demonic religions vegetarianism was rampant. Hinduism, Buddhism and certain New Age religions all embrace vegetarianism.

And they ate breakfast.
And they washed their faces
And they slept at night.

Have you figured out where he is going with this yet? I hope I don't have to spell it out for you, but, yes, he is definitely going there:

Adventism elevates vegetarianism to salvation status.

That's like saying "if you tell people not to get drunk or get into drug abuse or smoke - you are elevating those things to salvation status".

Not very well thought out if you ask me.

 

[BobRyan]

Here's my thoughts on Vegetarianism:
Acts 10: 9-15

On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Peter retells the Acts 10 story where he refused to eat the collection of rats, cats, dogs, bats (all forbidden in God's Word in Lev 11) THREE times.

He refuses THREE times then retells the story THREE times.

Each time Peter says that the lesson was "call no MAN unclean" - -- there is no "Eat more rat sandwiches" teaching from Peter.

 

[reddogs]

Peter retells the Acts 10 story where he refused to eat the collection of rats, cats, dogs, bats (all forbidden in God's Word in Lev 11) THREE times.

He refuses THREE times then retells the story THREE times.

Each time Peter says that the lesson was "call no MAN unclean" - -- there is no "Eat more rat sandwiches" teaching from Peter.

The Jews were clear what God had declared on this and was forbidden for them to eat, but like the Sabbath many Christians think this is just for the Jews and not for them.

 

[Winterleaf]

Peter retells the Acts 10 story where he refused to eat the collection of rats, cats, dogs, bats (all forbidden in God's Word in Lev 11) THREE times.
He refuses THREE times then retells the story THREE times.
Each time Peter says that the lesson was "call no MAN unclean" - -- there is no "Eat more rat sandwiches" teaching from Peter.

I see no mention of any man other than Peter in the passage.
Do you claim the Old Testament supercedes the New?

14 Peter says he has never eaten anything common.
15 God claims the common to be cleansed.

 

[Freth]

I see no mention of any man other than Peter in the passage.
Do you claim the Old Testament supercedes the New?

14 Peter says he has never eaten anything common.
15 God claims the common to be cleansed.

The chapter starts with Cornelius, a centurion, being visited by an angel and being told to send for Peter. Meanwhile, Peter has a vision of his own. We don't have to guess the interpretation of Peter's vision because he tells us himself in verse 28.

Peter Meets Cornelius​

24 And the following day they entered Caesarea. Now Cornelius was waiting for them, and had called together his relatives and close friends. 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” 27 And as he talked with him, he went in and found many who had come together. 28 Then he said to them, “You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to one of another nation. But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean. 29 Therefore I came without objection as soon as I was sent for. I ask, then, for what reason have you sent for me?”​

Peter doubles down on the interpretation in verses 35 and 36.

34 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: “In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. 35 But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.” ​

 

[BobRyan]

I was listening to a Christian radio station on my drive home tonight and a pastor (not Adventist) had a very (ahem) interesting sermon on vegetarianism. His basic premise is as follows (I pulled over and took notes):

Vegetarianism was part of honoring demons in the pre-flood corruption of humanity. In 1 Timothy 4:1-3, Paul claims people will follow seducing or decieving spirits and teachings of demons which includes abstaining from certain foods which God created to be recieved with thanksgiving. History and archeology show that in demonic religions vegetarianism was rampant. Hinduism, Buddhism and certain New Age religions all embrace vegetarianism. Vegetarianism is taught in these religions in conjunction with the promises of heightened spiritual awareness or the elitist, superior quality of a person who abstains from meat-this is actually a doctrine of demons

Not many people go there since the 'Bible details' don't support his rant against the life Adam and Eve lived in Eden. Gen 2 - says it was all vegan. God did not create "a devil's paradise" for Adam and Eve in their sinless state

What is more Paul says "I will never eat meat again if it causes my brother to fall" 1 Cor 8:13. Is Paul really saying "I will choose to follow demons if my brother does not like to see me following the gospel and so - gets offended"???

Paul never presents such an idea - yet in 1 Cor 8:13 the vegetarian option is clearly a valid choice.

So also in Rom 14:21 " It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine, or to do anything by which your brother or sister stumbles.

Paul is not saying in Rom 14 - "it is good to follow and teach the doctrines of demons if that is what it takes to get your brother not to stumble".

 

[Palmfever]

I was listening to a Christian radio station on my drive home tonight and a pastor (not Adventist) had a very (ahem) interesting sermon on vegetarianism. His basic premise is as follows (I pulled over and took notes):

Vegetarianism was part of honoring demons in the pre-flood corruption of humanity. In 1 Timothy 4:1-3, Paul claims people will follow seducing or decieving spirits and teachings of demons which includes abstaining from certain foods which God created to be recieved with thanksgiving. History and archeology show that in demonic religions vegetarianism was rampant. Hinduism, Buddhism and certain New Age religions all embrace vegetarianism. Vegetarianism is taught in these religions in conjunction with the promises of heightened spiritual awareness or the elitist, superior quality of a person who abstains from meat-this is actually a doctrine of demons that can be connected with spirit worship and spirit honoring. Religious vegetarianism that promises enhanced spiritual perception or heightened spiritual awareness is actually demonic teaching.

Have you figured out where he is going with this yet? I hope I don't have to spell it out for you, but, yes, he is definitely going there:

Adventism elevates vegetarianism to salvation status. They are no better than the false Eastern religions that use diet to bring themselves closer to the spirit realm. Ellen White made claims such as 'meat-eaters will not be translated in the end', 'controls the animal passions and subdues the sensual nature', 'meat-eating enervates the nervous system and inflames man's nature to base, carnal, animal-like qualities' and 'vegetarianism provides a clear mind to percieve the Spirit better'. Mrs. White clearly taught enhanced spirituality through the medium of vegetarianism.

I have heard this premise before, but this guy just takes it to a whole new level!

Has anyone else heard this argument? I'm not vegetarian and will never be one, so it is a moot issue for me. But it is clearly a unique, fancy attempt at discrediting vegetarianism.

That's a load of rubbish.

Romans 14:2
2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
Matthee 15:10
10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. 11 What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”