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Yep satan is sure having a field day with romanticizing our youth with the "good side of evil" (like there is such a thing). We even have parents that buy into the theory that their teen is not forming bad images (maybe even habits) in their mind, with the difference between good and evil. And they totally ignore the warnings the Church gives.

There is no in between. Evil is evil. Satan will use any tactic to suck them in. He is the prince of liars and knows one better than they know themselves. He is very manipulative and cunning.


Our youth are so lost in today’s world. They are desperately searching for something to hold on to, to call their own (so to speak). I’m my opinion many parents have lost their own way and the ability to lead their children down the path of holiness and the Christian way of life. They have got themselves caught up in the "feelings" of things, the "I want" and "I deserve". I could go on and on. But I will stop there.

It all starts in the home, and with Mom and Dan leading their children down the right path.
 
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Regardless of fiction popular culture & media have an influence on society whether people want to admit it or not. It is not about turning people into blood drinkers but getting them fascinated with the occult & whatever road that leads them down. It depends on the person.

Do you feel the same way about Harry Potter? What about Chronicles of Narnia? Lord of the Rings? All of those have occultic elements,even if they are allegorized elements of Christianity. Are all of those bad? Do guns kill people, or do people kill people?

Of course it depends on the person, which is my main point. But it more depends on how a person is raised, and how responsible parents are. Responsible parents raise children who can figure out the difference between reality and fantasy. People who can't figure out what's real and what's not shouldn't be reading books like Twilight in the first place, and they often have deeper seated problems that need to be addressed by medical professionals.

What makes Fr. a Catholic fundy anyway?
What he writes, and the way he writes it--particularly the overuse of hyperbolic apocalyptic prophecy language about how society is going down the drain and how our culture is going to kill our souls. People have been saying that the younger generation is more morally decadent than the current generation since the beginning of recorded history. If the trend were actually true, I don't think we would have anything resembling a cohesive society, as anarchy would reign supreme.

Inane? LOL! I don't think so. It happens like it or not. CNN has reported desensitation studies concerning violent video games. etc. If you soak up junk you are going to retain some junk. Just the way it works.
Desensitization is different than being influenced in the way that Fr. Euteneuer talks about. Most people today are somewhat desensitized to violence thanks to movies and video games. People are not going around shooting and killing people because they saw it in a movie or played Grand Theft Auto. Games as "virtual training camps" that Jack Thompson liked to go on and on about are not real, and exist only in his imagination.

So??? How often to the cronies here in OBOB derail threads with whatever comes to their minds. It reminded me of the twisted view of some that seem to idolize these characters. Some do it in real life.
People that do those kinds of things in real life have deeper seated problems that don't result from reading a book, watching television, or playing video games.

LOL! For such a trivial & harmless subject you are getting up in arms over it. As far as the news, no worries there. But I don't need you lecturing me on a messageboard about criticizing glamourized bad fiction topped of with with a unhealthy dose of warped values & morals.

Seems somewhat inane to have to defend bad fiction & get so upset over those that criticize the subject matter & the effects it has on on some's outlooks.
Don't take this personally. It's discussion/debate. I don't particularly care about Twilight. I've never read the books or seen the movies. I read the plot summary for the whole series on Wikipedia once, but I've forgotten practically all of it. What I am concerned about is the hyperbolic apocalypse prophecies that inundate the thoughts of these kinds of writers. It doesn't matter if they're a fundamentalist Protestant, a Catholic, or even an atheist. These ideas are a light form of conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theories are never healthy.
 
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Do you feel the same way about Harry Potter? What about Chronicles of Narnia? Lord of the Rings? All of those have occultic elements,even if they are allegorized elements of Christianity. Are all of those bad? Do guns kill people, or do people kill people?

No. But I'm talking about how these figures & glamourization of what was originally written to be the demonic.. the undead have turned into teenage sex symbols. I don't have a problem with fantasy/fiction or anything with these elements. I have a problem on how it is presented & marketed. I have old horror movie collections. I have the Chronicles of Narnia.

Of course it depends on the person, which is my main point. But it more depends on how a person is raised, and how responsible parents are. Responsible parents raise children who can figure out the difference between reality and fantasy. People who can't figure out what's real and what's not shouldn't be reading books like Twilight in the first place, and they often have deeper seated problems that need to be addressed by medical professionals.

I agree with that. But the problem is... it still affects culture good or bad. Whether you are a perfectly same reasonable individual or not, it still affects how we act, dress, interact, etc. Entertainment is entertainment but it also affects us as a society in many different ways. Good & bad & inconsequential.

What he writes, and the way he writes it--particularly the overuse of hyperbolic apocalyptic prophecy language about how society is going down the drain and how our culture is going to kill our souls. People have been saying that the younger generation is more morally decadent than the current generation since the beginning of recorded history. If the trend were actually true, I don't think we would have anything resembling a cohesive society, as anarchy would reign supreme.
That does not make him a fundy. It makes him one in a long line of historical predecessors that did the same. A fundy is when people pick & choose Scripture to present a picture that favors their agenda or understanding of things. Out of context. Fr. does none of that & seems quite loyal to the teachings of the Church. So I find that label inappropriate.

Desensitization is different than being influenced in the way that Fr. Euteneuer talks about. Most people today are somewhat desensitized to violence thanks to movies and video games. People are not going around shooting and killing people because they saw it in a movie or played Grand Theft Auto. Games as "virtual training camps" that Jack Thompson liked to go on and on about are not real, and exist only in his imagination.
Scripture speaks of these very things that Fr. is concerned about so it seems Sacred Scripture & Church teaching backs him up. It seems that people like the good Father are getting clumped into the nutbag category because he says things people ought to consider before looking to violence, etc. as a source of entertainment. People will defend their choice of entertainment & be offended quicker by its criticism in light of faith to the point of defending entertainment over faith, That says something.

The Checkup - Study links violent video games to violent thought ...

Violent video game play makes more aggressive kids, study shows


People that do those kinds of things in real life have deeper seated problems that don't result from reading a book, watching television, or playing video games.

Some do. Some develop these issues afterwards. I'm sure you've heard of those addicted to video play, etc. They are setting up rehab programs for that very now.

Don't take this personally. It's discussion/debate. I don't particularly care about Twilight. I've never read the books or seen the movies. I read the plot summary for the whole series on Wikipedia once, but I've forgotten practically all of it. What I am concerned about is the hyperbolic apocalypse prophecies that inundate the thoughts of these kinds of writers. It doesn't matter if they're a fundamentalist Protestant, a Catholic, or even an atheist. These ideas are a light form of conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theories are never healthy.

Neither is a blase attitude. I've never watched the Twilight Saga. Does not interest me. But I am defending Fr. Euteneuer's right to voice these things in light of faith. Afterall, his thoughts are the OP not mine. So no, I don't take it personally until words such as 'inane' are used when we discuss heroic virtues versus the heroic evil villain & how people become attracted to the twisted. Or when I bring up another situation I brought up about those attracted to criminals & you are wondering what it has to do with the subject when OP's are decimated every day by someone's own personal bugaboo or pet complaint as a form of habit.

I saw the comparison. So sue me.
 
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This is a slippery slope fallacy and is no better than saying video games cause violence (just look where that got Jack Thompson) or that guns are responsible for killing. 10 year olds are not going to start hanging up porn in their bedrooms because they saw Twilight. That's just an inane comparison.

They may not hang up porn, but they'll sure be writing it and reading what others have written. Take this from someone who was once a preteen - a story as sensual and as tantalising at this one gets them going, and those raunchy fanfics are just a click away.

I fell into that as a preeteen/teenager in another fandom.

Anyway, I find this vampire fad to be interesting. Whereas the Victorian vampires were in part a metaphor for the monstrous, untamed sexual drive that wells up within us all, we've moved away from cautionary metaphor and into simple pleasure fiction. Now vampires are super sexy because their blood-drinking is a metaphor for sexual arousal and desire. But instead of telling cautionary tales where the monster is just that, a monster... now they're heroes and lovers.

I think it just reflects our culture. We are sex-saturated. We don't see anything wrong with indulging.

I have issues with Twilight because it is just horrible - story, the writing, everything. If anything, Stephenie Meyer made an obvious parallel between abstinence and... well, abstinence. Edward won't have sex with Bella until they're married. He won't make her a vampire until they're married. As much as it pains me to say this... that is a heck of a lot better than Sookie Stackhouse and Anita Blake, which are all just porn at this point.

But I think vampires have a lot more to offer than sex, which is why this whole fad is eyeroll-worthy. When they were demons, villains, monsters who were soulless and damned, they were a heck of a lot more interesting. You can even get some angst in there with a vampire who didn't choose to be a vampire and is tortured about having no soul - like Simon in The Silver Kiss by Annette Curtis Klause. He acknowledges that he is damned and that creatures like him should not exist. (That is the only vampire book that I adore, by the way - beautiful parallels regarding isolation, emptiness, and loneliness.)

I hate the "vampire as hero" fad. I especially hate the "vampire/werewolf/alien/demon/etc. as lover" fad. Stories between humans alone have a great deal of depth and beauty to uncover if only the writer is talented and creative enough to delve into the depths of the human soul.

That sounds kind of scathing. But I think young people should be reading something so much better than horribly-written vampire nonsense where a vampire has to literally bite a half-breed demon child from a human's womb. You're a real winner, Stephenie Meyer.
 
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Actually, you know who is hot:

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Haji from Blood+

He's quiet, confident, protective, artistic, stylish (Victorian) and beautiful.

I'd hit it.

...He's not dead, is he? >.>
 
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They may not hang up porn, but they'll sure be writing it and reading what others have written. Take this from someone who was once a preteen - a story as sensual and as tantalising at this one gets them going, and those raunchy fanfics are just a click away.

I fell into that as a preeteen/teenager in another fandom.

Anyway, I find this vampire fad to be interesting. Whereas the Victorian vampires were in part a metaphor for the monstrous, untamed sexual drive that wells up within us all, we've moved away from cautionary metaphor and into simple pleasure fiction. Now vampires are super sexy because their blood-drinking is a metaphor for sexual arousal and desire. But instead of telling cautionary tales where the monster is just that, a monster... now they're heroes and lovers.

I think it just reflects our culture. We are sex-saturated. We don't see anything wrong with indulging.

I have issues with Twilight because it is just horrible - story, the writing, everything. If anything, Stephenie Meyer made an obvious parallel between abstinence and... well, abstinence. Edward won't have sex with Bella until they're married. He won't make her a vampire until they're married. As much as it pains me to say this... that is a heck of a lot better than Sookie Stackhouse and Anita Blake, which are all just porn at this point.

But I think vampires have a lot more to offer than sex, which is why this whole fad is eyeroll-worthy. When they were demons, villains, monsters who were soulless and damned, they were a heck of a lot more interesting. You can even get some angst in there with a vampire who didn't choose to be a vampire and is tortured about having no soul - like Simon in The Silver Kiss by Annette Curtis Klause. He acknowledges that he is damned and that creatures like him should not exist. (That is the only vampire book that I adore, by the way - beautiful parallels regarding isolation, emptiness, and loneliness.)

I hate the "vampire as hero" fad. I especially hate the "vampire/werewolf/alien/demon/etc. as lover" fad. Stories between humans alone have a great deal of depth and beauty to uncover if only the writer is talented and creative enough to delve into the depths of the human soul.

That sounds kind of scathing. But I think young people should be reading something so much better than horribly-written vampire nonsense where a vampire has to literally bite a half-breed demon child from a human's womb. You're a real winner, Stephenie Meyer.
^_^:thumbsup:
 
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I agree with that. But the problem is... it still affects culture good or bad. Whether you are a perfectly same reasonable individual or not, it still affects how we act, dress, interact, etc. Entertainment is entertainment but it also affects us as a society in many different ways. Good & bad & inconsequential.

Anything we do is going to shape us. It's unavoidable.

That does not make him a fundy. It makes him one in a long line of historical predecessors that did the same. A fundy is when people pick & choose Scripture to present a picture that favors their agenda or understanding of things. Out of context. Fr. does none of that & seems quite loyal to the teachings of the Church. So I find that label inappropriate.
Fundamentalist viewpoints don't necessarily have to take the Bible out of context. Some of the things this guy writes are on the Jack Chick level of "oh no the world is falling apart." It doesn't particularly matter if he's Catholic or not.

Scripture speaks of these very things that Fr. is concerned about so it seems Sacred Scripture & Church teaching backs him up. It seems that people like the good Father are getting clumped into the nutbag category because he says things people ought to consider before looking to violence, etc. as a source of entertainment. People will defend their choice of entertainment & be offended quicker by its criticism in light of faith to the point of defending entertainment over faith, That says something.
There is a difference between honest criticism and "you're ensnared by the devil if you crack open a Twilight book." Obviously parents need to be aware of what their children are doing and watching. When I worked at Wal-Mart in high school, this woman with her son (I think it was mother and son anyway) came in to buy Grand Theft Auto. This kid was 10 or younger. I asked her if she was aware of the game's content, and she said no. After I explained to her what was in the game, she didn't buy the game. Parental irresponsibility leads to problems, not the simple existence of things.

Here are some selections from Father Euteneuer in the linked article:
I think that these seductive creatures are simply the spawn of the Harry Potter culture that has for over a decade now been indoctrinating kids to think that the occult world is normal and that all this evil messaging is harmless when dressed up as entertainment. That’s vampire logic – and just what the devil wants us to think.

How sad that this generation has been so taken in by those who represent the very antithesis of the core reality of our Faith — the Eucharist. Vampire logic is anti-Eucharistic logic, and it’s very dangerous for our kids. In their obsessive fascination with such darkness, kids (and adults) turn their backs on the One who actually died for them.
Reading Twilight = against the Eucharist? Turns children against Jesus? Really? That's not an honest comparison at all. It's a fringe opinion. It's no better than people who argue that evolution destroys the foundations of Christianity. If your faith is destroyed or perverted by reading a badly-written fictional (I want to stress that word as much as possible) book about sparkly vampires, you have bigger problems on your hands: bad catechesis, bad formation, etc.

There are admittedly conflicting studies on the psychological role video games play. The current research is not very solid either way, but there is definitely no direct correlation between video games and actual violence. There are many studies however, that do show direct correlation of video games to positive benefits.

Some do. Some develop these issues afterwards. I'm sure you've heard of those addicted to video play, etc. They are setting up rehab programs for that very now.
Yes, and they all have deeper-rooted problems than just playing a video game. Their minds are not in normal balance; such is the nature of addiction.

Neither is a blase attitude. I've never watched the Twilight Saga. Does not interest me. But I am defending Fr. Euteneuer's right to voice these things in light of faith. Afterall, his thoughts are the OP not mine.
He can voice his opinion if he wants. It's a free Internet. That doesn't mean he's immune from criticism though.

So no, I don't take it personally until words such as 'inane' are used when we discuss heroic virtues versus the heroic evil villain & how people become attracted to the twisted. Or when I bring up another situation I brought up about those attracted to criminals & you are wondering what it has to do with the subject when OP's are decimated every day by someone's own personal bugaboo or pet complaint as a form of habit.

I saw the comparison. So sue me.
The only relevance that I see with your criminal attraction example is that it demonstrates that these problems are deeper-rooted than being directly caused by franchise X that Fr. Euteneuer doesn't like/disagrees with. People attracted to criminals that don't reform have psychological problems--maybe an abusive childhood, or maybe one of their parents was in prison for a long time so they assume it's normal.

The factors involved in such a situation (particularly the one you described) are far more numerous and complex than simply being exposed to a franchise with minor fictional occultic elements. Our prison system is absolutely terrible at attempting to reform criminals. It continually reinforces the wrongness of the crime, rather than attempting to deliver the justice required and then turn the prisoner into someone who can be productive in society. The prisoners only get reinforced about how they're bad, and how they can never amount to anything.

Then they're released. They know, courtesy of the US justice system, that they'll never be able to reintegrate into society so they turn right back to a line of crime. Or, they have mental problems. A person who slaughters an entire family is psychotic, and we can attribute that to a failure of the justice system and psychologists to identify that problem.

The life and personality of the woman, the life and personality of the man, and the state of our justice/medical systems are the prime factors in your example. This is why your example actually reinforces my point, and not your own. Our interactions with people and our environment are the prime factors in any case like this. These fictional books do not beam concentrated Evil into our brains and make us turn from the Eucharist. Weak faith, lack of religious education, and parental irresponsibility are what cause people to fall away from the faith.
 
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:thumbsup: to Michie.

I think that the enemy of God and his faithful is fundamentally hung up, in a Jack Chick - verbally pornographic sort of way, on pridefully infatuated, anti-priest and anti-Eucharistic logic. Fr. Euteneuer is an expert exorcist who is touring with Fr Corapi and has traveled over a million miles evangelizing, his words are bound to draw out the evil and sick just as Fr Corapi has death threats for proclaiming the truth. Thats what the pits of hell do, they deceive and spew their venom because they are so proud all they know is hate and deception. I'm sure the enemy would prefer us to believe that the existence of demons and hell is a ruse and fudamental scrupulosity. His greatest trick is to convince the foolish that he doesn't exist. What is the next step from there? Indifferent apostacy perhaps?

Like the saints say:

If one yields ground on any single point of Catholic doctrine, one will later have to yield in another, and again in another, and so on until such surrenders come to be something normal and acceptable. And when one gets used to rejecting dogma bit by bit, the final result will be the repudiation of it altogether. - Saint Vincent of Lérins

Never read books you aren't sure about . . . even supposing that these bad books are very well written from a literary point of view. Let me ask you this: Would you drink something you knew was poisoned just because it was offered to you in a golden cup? - St. John Bosco

Apostates will never cease to apostatize. Pfft. One can tell who frequents the sacraments and takes their faith serious or not just by the way they speak. This says it all:

YouTube - Father Corapi on Humility and Respect
 
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People that think books like that have no effect on people probably weren't exposed to that stuff as children.

I grew up with absent parents and before I was 10 me and my friends were drawing pornographic images - no, we didn't even know porn existed yet or about sex or anything, but we were doing that.

I was at the library a couple weeks ago; where parents now leave their teenagers. The library has some programs, but before and after they hang out until their parents pick them up. And, naturally, unattended teenagers who have been brought up in a moral-less society without adult supervision displayed the future of our country. Some of them were probably even 18... anyway, one whipped out his you know what and peed on someone's chalk drawing on the sidewalk without any shame while 20 or so other kids, some probably in elementary school, looked on. They acted like it was normal.

People need to control what goes into their own and their children minds before it's too late. We learn absolutely everything we know from experience. Our senses are honed, our brain develops to interpret what we sense, from our experiences as children. It is absolutely impossible to separate our mental development from what we perceive... you can't even mentally develop at all without perception - wild children after a certain point can never learn to talk, someone that was blind from birth would not have the brain structure to see if you gave them perfect eyes. What we experience literally makes our brains.
 
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:thumbsup: to Michie.

I think that the enemy of God and his faithful is fundamentally hung up, in a Jack Chick - verbally pornographic sort of way, on pridefully infatuated, anti-priest and anti-Eucharistic logic. Fr. Euteneuer is an expert exorcist who is touring with Fr Corapi and has traveled over a million miles evangelizing, his words are bound to draw out the evil and sick just as Fr Corapi has death threats for proclaiming the truth. Thats what the pits of hell do, they deceive and spew their venom because they are so proud all they know is hate and deception. I'm sure the enemy would prefer us to believe that the existence of demons and hell is a ruse and fudamental scrupulosity. His greatest trick is to convince the foolish that he doesn't exist. What is the next step from there? Indifferent apostacy perhaps?

Like the saints say:

If one yields ground on any single point of Catholic doctrine, one will later have to yield in another, and again in another, and so on until such surrenders come to be something normal and acceptable. And when one gets used to rejecting dogma bit by bit, the final result will be the repudiation of it altogether. - Saint Vincent of Lérins

Never read books you aren't sure about . . . even supposing that these bad books are very well written from a literary point of view. Let me ask you this: Would you drink something you knew was poisoned just because it was offered to you in a golden cup? - St. John Bosco

Apostates will never cease to apostatize. Pfft. One can tell who frequents the sacraments and takes their faith serious or not just by the way they speak. This says it all:

YouTube - Father Corapi on Humility and Respect

A quote you might like Joab...


Never read books you aren't sure about . . . even supposing that these bad books are very well written from a literary point of view. Let me ask you this: Would you drink something you knew was poisoned just because it was offered to you in a golden cup?


St. John Bosco
 
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Good point.

Heroic villians seem to be in favor lately.

Simple good heroism is seen as boring.

I've always wondered why that is! I've noticed it too... one of the reasons I like the Lord of the Rings is that it doesn't mix up good and evil, and the good characters are the heroes and the ones that the reader ends up liking the most. I think much of modern literature is confused regarding good and evil.

I think Fr. Euteneuer might be an example a quite hero. I listened to podcast of his from EWTN at the office today. I think he sends a great example of reminding us of the reality of spiritual warfare.

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Yes. But some Catholics consider him fundy or silly.

I don't get that.. I don't think he's "fundy" at all. I think he just acknowledges that there is a spiritual reality that we can't see, and I think it's important for Catholics to acknowledge it. I think he knows what he is talking about because he's also an exorcist.

While they proclaim the dissenters the heroes of the faith.

We've seen it time & time again in this very forum.

unfortunately, yes
 
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Never read books you aren't sure about . . . even supposing that these bad books are very well written from a literary point of view. Let me ask you this: Would you drink something you knew was poisoned just because it was offered to you in a golden cup?


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Fr. Thomas Euteneuer

With the issuing of the third movie in the Twilight series I have to speak out about our culture’s twisted fascination with vampires. I don’t hesitate to tell people that I am totally disgusted with the new fad sweeping over our youth culture these days. It is not just kids that are taken up with the wiles of the dark world either: many moms of teens are swooning for them too. I think that these seductive creatures are simply the spawn of the Harry Potter culture that has for over a decade now been indoctrinating kids to think that the occult world is normal and that all this evil messaging is harmless when dressed up as entertainment. That’s vampire logic – and just what the devil wants us to think.

Gone are the days of Bella Lugosi’s Dracula (1931) where good was good and evil was evil. A crucifix would drive Dracula away and then he had to go into his infernal coffin when the first streaks of dawn appeared. He was in every way presented as a creature of evil, dark of heart and dread to encounter. He drank human blood too, a feature that was supposed to strike terror in every person who valued his life’s essence. The image of a blood-sucking creature who lives in slime and darkness and will pounce on you to drain out your very essence should terrorize every decent person.

This is because vampires used to be images of demons. That’s what demons are all about: the vanquishing of all human decency and life. They represent the spiritual vortexes of the demon world that drag down to the depths of hell all who fall prey to their wiles.



Continued- http://catholicexchange.com/2010/07/26/132602/


I work at the movie theatre and belong to several book groups - trust me, it's not for the teenage youth only. There are LOADS of addicted adults out there as well. ;) I'm in no way a fan of this series, find it too youthish for me, but I've been reading the Sookie Stackhouse series for years so stayed glued to the show spawned from it, True Blood, since it came on.

People have always been fascinated with vampires. Even before the movie Dracula there were legends and myths of them. People just have their hidden desires and curiosities out in strange ways. I don't see an issue here myself.

After 100 years (actually more), of course these 'creatures' would evolve into different sorts for different stories. Any made-up figure also does after this length of time.
 
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What has happened with vampires is basically the same thing that happened to the Phantom of the Opera (i.e. become more of a romantic figure over the years, portrayed less as a psychopath and more as a tragic and perhaps somewhat justified character while retaining serious flaws that are often glossed over (in the case of the phantom, kidnapping and stalking, in the case of vampires manipulating and preying on humans.)) I think that it is a combination of thinking that a truly evil character is "flat" and must be given a sympathetic side to be well developed, and the natural attraction of evil as cool and sexy. So you get future authors making the villain more understandable and the heroes more dimwitted or cruel or outright evil in order to seem original, while the fanbase makes the monster more attractive and justifies its actions because they are supposedly motivated by love. But even when the monsters are supposed to be completely good guys, they retain some of their monstrous heritage which is brushed aside by the story (this is what really bugs me about True Blood, that since the vampires are misunderstood the story seems to justify actions which in any normal person would be criminal or psychopathic.)

But really this stuff happens all the time and sometimes happens in extremely compressed periods of time, just look how Lost and Heroes handled Ben Linus and Sylar respectively.
 
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What has happened with vampires is basically the same thing that happened to the Phantom of the Opera (i.e. become more of a romantic figure over the years, portrayed less as a psychopath and more as a tragic and perhaps somewhat justified character while retaining serious flaws that are often glossed over (in the case of the phantom, kidnapping and stalking, in the case of vampires manipulating and preying on humans.)) I think that it is a combination of thinking that a truly evil character is "flat" and must be given a sympathetic side to be well developed, and the natural attraction of evil as cool and sexy. So you get future authors making the villain more understandable and the heroes more dimwitted or cruel or outright evil in order to seem original, while the fanbase makes the monster more attractive and justifies its actions because they are supposedly motivated by love. But even when the monsters are supposed to be completely good guys, they retain some of their monstrous heritage which is brushed aside by the story (this is what really bugs me about True Blood, that since the vampires are misunderstood the story seems to justify actions which in any normal person would be criminal or psychopathic.)

But really this stuff happens all the time and sometimes happens in extremely compressed periods of time, just look how Lost and Heroes handled Ben Linus and Sylar respectively.

The latest Phantom of the Opera movie (which was good I think) didn't really skimp in the psychopath department. He stalks Christine, eventually kidnaps her, takes her to his hidden lair, and puts her in his shrine that he has for her. She even sees a statue he made of her. He also hypnotized and drugged her.

I guess what that movie does go into though is showing how the Phantom came to be. It explores his psychological motivations for doing what he does. Still doesn't make him any less of a psychopath though.

I should watch that movie again...
 
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Let me just lighten the mood here a bit, I have played video games since I was 3 starting out with the NES (the Nintendo Entertainment System) or (Famicom in Japan), the game console that saved video games from being just another fad, ANYWAY and in all that time of playing (and still playing to this day) I have NEVER ever EVER wanted to put on overalls, grow a stache, eat mushrooms to grow "super size" and shoot fireballs from my hands (well okay maybe the fireball thing) but still.

Let me say this about what video games have taught me (and that is they haven't taught me anything but they have showed me things, deep things, I play alot of RPGs and I love the Metal Gear Solid series).

I was 21 when I fired my first gun at my then, future wife's parents' house. Let say this; video games did NOT teach me how to handle a gun, (SHOCKING isn't Michie!). I actually can not aim straight! WH-What?! And after all that time playing FPSs through the years!:confused::sorry: How can this BE?! Video games YOU FAILED ME!!!

Look the point is like Dark Lite said, there's evidence for both camps (but really more on the side the video games are actually more helpful than detrimental).
 
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