Valid reasons

[vajradhara]

To all of you who claimed rape as a reason... why? The child, if born, will be just as loving as a child who was born of a one-night stand or out of love.

Rape is not the fault of the child. So why is a woman allowed to abort it?

Namaste Phred,

in my own case, the rape was by a male relative.. thus, the child which is engendered from such a union is genetically problematic.

moreover, if the female is rather young, in their teens, not only would i consider it biologically unsound, it would seem morally questionable.

perhaps, more to the point, this is not a voluntary choice to have sex and the unwanted consequences thereof, this is a violent act perpetrated upon a trusting child, a truly vile and perfidious crime.

metta,

~v

 

[sethad]

Medical reasons (such as etoptic pregnancies). Anything other then that, I don't agree with.

 

[Phred]

in my own case, the rape was by a male relative.. thus, the child which is engendered from such a union is genetically problematic.

moreover, if the female is rather young, in their teens, not only would i consider it biologically unsound, it would seem morally questionable.

perhaps, more to the point, this is not a voluntary choice to have sex and the unwanted consequences thereof, this is a violent act perpetrated upon a trusting child, a truly vile and perfidious crime.

Namaste V,
I'm sorry to hear, such an event must be traumatic to say the least. Please, understand that I don't disagree with you. I'm pro-choice.

What I'm wondering about is perspective. From the viewpoint of a fetus, why should it be aborted because of who its parents are? Why should it be aborted because it might be defective? If, as many argue, a person is a person from conception of what relevance is how the conception took place?

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[sethad]

Namaste Phred,

in my own case, the rape was by a male relative.. thus, the child which is engendered from such a union is genetically problematic.

moreover, if the female is rather young, in their teens, not only would i consider it biologically unsound, it would seem morally questionable.

perhaps, more to the point, this is not a voluntary choice to have sex and the unwanted consequences thereof, this is a violent act perpetrated upon a trusting child, a truly vile and perfidious crime.

metta,

~v

I'm sorry that you were raped. I know alot of people besides myself who were abused and I seriously think rapists and pedophiles should be shot.

But as I already stated the only reason when I think abortion is valid is for medical reasons where both the mother and unborn baby are in danger. Very few pregnancies occur from rape, and I havent seen any stats saying that aborting the baby makes the rape any less traumatic.

 

[Helo]

in my own case, the rape was by a male relative.. thus, the child which is engendered from such a union is genetically problematic.

I dont mean to belittle your experience or make it seem like your actions were any less valid.

But I should in all fairness point out that genetic abnormalities take a few generations of inbreeding to surface in a serious degree in most species.

That said I am pro-choice

 

[vajradhara]

Namaste Phred,

thank you for the post.

Namaste V,
I'm sorry to hear, such an event must be traumatic to say the least. Please, understand that I don't disagree with you. I'm pro-choice.

no worries

What I'm wondering about is perspective. From the viewpoint of a fetus, why should it be aborted because of who its parents are? Why should it be aborted because it might be defective? If, as many argue, a person is a person from conception of what relevance is how the conception took place?

that is not a view which i share. for me, the operative factor is the formation of brain matter sufficient to permit human consciousness without which we cannot really say that said being is sentient, though it has the potential to become so, that is not the same as it being so.. in my view.

i, too, am pro-choice so our views are consonate there.

from a societal point of view... i am not sure if an unwanted and therefore neglected and abused child is more desired than said child not coming into existence....

metta,

~v

 

[sethad]

from a societal point of view... i am not sure if an unwanted and therefore neglected and abused child is more desired than said child not coming into existence....

metta,

~v

But you can't predict if a child will be abused or not. I don't know any stats but there are plenty of kids who are born to parents and the parents abuse them, but there was no consideration of abortion or reason to abort beforehand.

Using the "better to be aborted then abused" logic would mean you'd have to abort every child, because a lot of kids are abused whether it be by foster parents, biological parents, adoptive parents, or strangers.

 

[vajradhara]

Namaste sethad,

thank you for the post.

I'm sorry that you were raped. I know alot of people besides myself who were abused and I seriously think rapists and pedophiles should be shot.

my story is worse than some and better than others and i wouldn't, at this point, advocate for the killing of any sentient being... regardless of the personal pain inflicted upon this form by said being. this was not always my view.

But as I already stated the only reason when I think abortion is valid is for medical reasons where both the mother and unborn baby are in danger. Very few pregnancies occur from rape, and I havent seen any stats saying that aborting the baby makes the rape any less traumatic.

which is a fine view to hold.

i am not contending that abortion makes rape easier to deal with.

i am, however, asserting that a child should not be required to bring a fetus to term due to rape. i hope that is a clear difference.

if that child should desire to bring the fetus to term, that is her choice, but i would never support compelling that child to do so.

metta,

~v

 

[vajradhara]

namaste Helo,

thank you for the post.

I dont mean to belittle your experience or make it seem like your actions were any less valid.[/font]

don't worry, i do not seek validation for my actions from most folks

But I should in all fairness point out that genetic abnormalities take a few generations of inbreeding to surface in a serious degree in most species.

That said I am pro-choice

i agree. that does not, however, mitigate the real genetic problems that such actions necessairly encur. the X-Files had an episode called "Home" which does a fine job of pointing out some of the issues which can be the result of such inbreeding.

nevertheless, that was one reason that i would consider valid not, however, the only reason.

metta,

~v

 

[vajradhara]

Namaste Sethad,

thank you for the post.

But you can't predict if a child will be abused or not.

you will, undoubtedly, note the operative "i don't know" prior to my statement, yes?

thus, i am not stating it as a fact more of an observation with an invitation to dialog.

eh.. my English isn't the best, to be sure

I don't know any stats but there are plenty of kids who are born to parents and the parents abuse them, but there was no consideration of abortion or reason to abort beforehand.

that would seem to be difficult to know, don't you think? it would, necessairly, entail asking each of those parents if they had ever considered it.

in any event, as i said, i don't really know if that is a consideration or not.

metta,

~v

 

[sethad]

Namaste Sethad,

thank you for the post.



you will, undoubtedly, note the operative "i don't know" prior to my statement, yes?

thus, i am not stating it as a fact more of an observation with an invitation to dialog.

eh.. my English isn't the best, to be sure



that would seem to be difficult to know, don't you think? it would, necessairly, entail asking each of those parents if they had ever considered it.

in any event, as i said, i don't really know if that is a consideration or not.

metta,

~v

Its all good. English is my second language and after years of being in school and learning it I still get insulted saying that my English is bad on here sometimes...while others say my English is good. Who knows I guess. What I find really annoying is the people who think good English equals high intelligence and poorer English equals stupid I always tell them that once they become fluent in three or more languages and can write their second language as good as a native user, then they can come and talk to me again about intelligence. heh.

Anyways

I was more just clarifying I guess. There are no stats for it that I can see, so although it's something to think about, I doubt its a reason for abortion. That's all.