Vaccines and Abortion - Inconsistent Logic

[Tree of Life]

You're equivocating on "human" vs "a human". Human skin cells are human, but not "a human" as in human life or a human being.

She uses the article. "A 4 or 6 week prenatal human..."

 

[KCfromNC]

I'm not saying a fetus is a person. I'm saying a fetus is a unique human individual. I would define a human individual as an organism which has human DNA.

Weird you'd use the word individual for something which isn't viable on its own. I'm not sure I'd be happy with such an imprecise use of the language.

 

[KCfromNC]

She uses the article. "A 4 or 6 week prenatal human..."

There's also two "a"s in prenatal - doesn't change the point I was making in the slightest. It is a fairly common letter, you'll see it frequently in English language texts. That doesn't mean you can just move them about freely to manufacture a point.

 

[Tree of Life]

There's also two "a"s in prenatal - doesn't change the point I was making in the slightest. It is a fairly common letter, you'll see it frequently in English language texts. That doesn't mean you can just move them about freely to manufacture a point.

It just goes to show that you didn't read the article that you linked in.

 

[Tree of Life]

Weird you'd use the word individual for something which isn't viable on its own. I'm not sure I'd be happy with such an imprecise use of the language.

Plenty of individuals are not viable on their own. Sometimes individuals need to be hooked up the breathing machines or other forms of life support. This doesn't change the fact that they are individual members of our species.

 

[KCfromNC]

It just goes to show that you didn't read the article that you linked in.

Feel free to try and demonstrate this.

 

[Tree of Life]

Just not in any way you can demonstrate.

It's already clearly been demonstrated, but I'll leave that for the peanut gallery to adjudicate.

 

[KCfromNC]

Plenty of individuals are not viable on their own. Sometimes individuals need to be hooked up the breathing machines or other forms of life support. This doesn't change the fact that they are individual members of our species.

Yeah, I can see that the criteria you presented doesn't really work very well in practice.

 

[Tree of Life]

Yeah, I can see that the criteria you presented doesn't really work very well in practice.

So can you suggest what a human fetus is, since you deny that it is a human?

 

[KCfromNC]

So can you suggest what a human fetus is, since you deny that it is a human?

You already tried this diversion a few posts ago.

 

[Tree of Life]

You already tried this diversion a few posts ago.

I know. You keep dodging it for some reason. And it's not a diversion. It's a serious question.

 

[KCfromNC]

I know. You keep dodging it for some reason.

This seems uncharitable. Did you forget you responded to my answer to it?

 

[Tree of Life]

This seems uncharitable. Did you forget you responded to my answer to it?

You asked for a definition and I gave you one in post 59. I didn't see a response after that.

 

[Tree of Life]

I define a human being as an organism with human DNA. If you're unhappy with that definition, you are free to suggest your own and then tell me what a human fetus is in light of your own definition.

 

[KCfromNC]

I define a human being as an organism with human DNA. If you're unhappy with that definition, you are free to suggest your own and then tell me what a human fetus is in light of your own definition.

I notice again we've changed back from "human" to "a human" to "human being".

Anyway, I've never objected to you having an opinion on the subject. If you'll recall, I was more interested your claims that it was universally held by scientists and philosophers and that it was empirically based. That started down the rabbit hole where you claimed that gametes and somatic cells had identical DNA and so on, so you'll understand my skepticism.

 

[Tree of Life]

I notice again we've changed back from "human" to "a human" to "human being".

Anyway, I've never objected to you having an opinion on the subject. If you'll recall, I was more interested your claims that it was universally held by scientists and philosophers and that it was empirically based. That started down the rabbit hole where you claimed that gametes and somatic cells had identical DNA and so on, so you'll understand my skepticism.

Okay thanks. Could you now suggest what a human fetus is, since you deny that it is a human being?

 

[KCfromNC]

Okay thanks. Could you now suggest what a human fetus is, since you deny that it is a human being?

Didn't you say earlier that it was off topic for this thread?

 

[Tree of Life]

Didn't you say earlier that it was off topic for this thread?

No I don't recall that at all.

 

[KCfromNC]

No I don't recall that at all.

Maybe I misunderstood what you meant here :

This does not necessarily mean that a fetus is a person or that a fetus has rights.

 

[Tree of Life]

Maybe I misunderstood what you meant here :

Yes it seems you have.

Could you suggest what a human fetus is, since you deny that it is a human being?