Vaccinations

[Cimorene]

Ever read those research articles where the content shows connections to autism, death, etc and the conclusion is see Dr for vaccinations... and then you wonder who funded it... Same with this... You can not trust "paid" medical or judicial professionals" to not be bias in their assessment when it funds their position.

Welp. Vaccines Don't Actually Cause Autism, Anti-Vaxxer Study Finds

 

[keith99]

The autism group is run by pharmaceuticals.

This must have found the study. I remember it from previous discussions but have not found it yet this time. But since you have not only found it but also have the funding information for it yuo can surely provide links to the same.

Or can you?

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

It's really simple. Real news about real medical issues features real doctors & real evidence. The Health Nut has no professional medical experience & no evidence. The parents of the babies didn't say vaccines caused their deaths. Medical & judicial professionals did extensive investigations into their deaths & did NOT find that vaccines were the cause either. The medical board ruled that it was SIDS. This woman only knows about the babies bc of reading about them online. What she did was exploit the death of babies to push her own agenda. It's disgusting behaviour.

This must have found the study. I remember it from previous discussions but have not found it yet this time. But since you have not only found it but also have the funding information for it yuo can surely provide links to the same.

Or can you?

Can either one of you give the cause for SIDS? I have two kids and have slept on them on accident. I will tell you from experience that sleeping on your child or allowing them to lie on their stomachs will not cause "sudden death". Of course if you have cared for children or have your own kids you would understand this.
Again what causes the infant to "suddenly die"? This diagnosis is not a causal explanation but, and explanation and run around to draw attention away from the actual cause: vaccinations.

 

[USincognito]

Like I said.... Coincidence?? and no fault, no cause, .... and you expect those who support vaccinations will declare vaccinations are at fault... that doesn't work for the bottom line... you can not expect all those paid "officials" to blame vaccinations... it would hurt their paycheck... doesn't matter that both babies died shortly after vaccinations and not other cause could be found.

Conspiracy theory.
That's the mentality that found witches during the Middle Ages.

 

[USincognito]

Ever read those research articles where the content shows connections to autism, death, etc and the conclusion is see Dr for vaccinations... and then you wonder who funded it... Same with this... You can not trust "paid" medical or judicial professionals" to not be bias in their assessment when it funds their position.

No, because there are none.
More tin foil hattery.

 

[visionary]

No, because there are none.
More tin foil hattery.

Then you need to read the research articles themselves compare the guts with the conclusion.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

No, because there are none.
More tin foil hattery.

Then you need to read the research articles themselves compare the guts with the conclusion.

It's alright sister his responses have shown that he has very little to say and that he does not do his own work. The strength of his arguments rely on sarcasm, incredulity, mockery, minimization, etc. In short he's just a brawler.

 

[Cimorene]

It's alright sister his responses have shown that he has very little to say and that he does not do his own work. The strength of his arguments rely on sarcasm, incredulity, mockery, minimization, etc. In short he's just a brawler.

No, he's just someone who doesn't believe in bearing false witness.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

No, he's just someone who doesn't believe in bearing false witness.

Then please provide your own evidence to the false witnessing.

 

[keith99]

Can either one of you give the cause for SIDS? I have two kids and have slept on them on accident. I will tell you from experience that sleeping on your child or allowing them to lie on their stomachs will not cause "sudden death". Of course if you have cared for children or have your own kids you would understand this.
Again what causes the infant to "suddenly die"? This diagnosis is not a causal explanation but, and explanation and run around to draw attention away from the actual cause: vaccinations.

Except SIDS has happened to unvaccinated kids. When babies sleep on their stomachs the incidence of SIDS is almost doubled. I know of no similar statistic for vaccinations.

And a parent rolling over and suffocating their child would not be listed as SIDS because the cause of death would be known.

And of course I cannot give the cause for SIDS since the definition includes there being no apparent cause. One would hope someone commenting in a thread like this one would know that.

 

[Cimorene]

Can either one of you give the cause for SIDS? I have two kids and have slept on them on accident. I will tell you from experience that sleeping on your child or allowing them to lie on their stomachs will not cause "sudden death". Of course if you have cared for children or have your own kids you would understand this.
Again what causes the infant to "suddenly die"? This diagnosis is not a causal explanation but, and explanation and run around to draw attention away from the actual cause: vaccinations.

You've slept ON your kids? I'm really glad your children survived your parenting, but the fact is that babies have died from sleeping on their stomachs, especially if they're under 4 months. The rate of SIDS went down SIGNIFICANTLY after a campaign was started in the early 90s by the American Academy of Pediatrics to teach parents to always have babies under the age of 1 sleep on their backs & never allow them to sleep on their stomachs. It went down more with other recommendations for changes in the crib & sleep environment, like what is in the crib, & room temperature. Your babies not dying from you allowing them to sleep on their stomachs doesn't mean it's not a cause of SIDS. Just stop & think that through. There have been infants left in hot cars unattended who haven't died, either, but there's plenty who have died too.

The exact cause of SIDS is unknown - neither is the exact cause of a lot of medical conditions - but it is known that vaccines do NOT cause SIDS. That has been studied extensively, around the world, over the course of decades. Vaccines have been shown to DECREASE the risk of SIDS. There are known risk factors for SIDS. Being born premature is a major risk. Low birth weight is another major risk. Twins are usually weigh less than other babies so that could have been a factor in the Turkish twins who died. Brain abnormalities, genetics, birth defects, respiratory infections can cause SIDS. Again, the parents of the twins who died of SIDS did an assessment of their deaths, didn't blame vaccines. A whole team of medical professionals investigated their deaths. Law enforcement did too. It was concluded that their death was caused by SIDS, not vaccines. The only 1 who said it was due to vaccines is an anti-vaxxer who read about them online & exploited their deaths. She's not a medical professional & she makes her $ selling the stuff on her website that panders to anti-vaxxers.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

You've slept ON your kids? I'm really glad your children survived your parenting, but the fact is that babies have died from sleeping on their stomachs, especially if they're under 4 months. The rate of SIDS went down SIGNIFICANTLY after a campaign was started in the early 90s by the American Academy of Pediatrics to teach parents to always have babies under the age of 1 sleep on their backs & never allow them to sleep on their stomachs. It went down more with other recommendations for changes in the crib & sleep environment, like what is in the crib, & room temperature. Your babies not dying from you allowing them to sleep on their stomachs doesn't mean it's not a cause of SIDS. Just stop & think that through. There have been infants left in hot cars unattended who haven't died, either, but there's plenty who have died too.

The exact cause of SIDS is unknown - neither is the exact cause of a lot of medical conditions - but it is known that vaccines do NOT cause SIDS. That has been studied extensively, around the world, over the course of decades. Vaccines have been shown to DECREASE the risk of SIDS. There are known risk factors for SIDS. Being born premature is a major risk. Low birth weight is another major risk. Twins are usually weigh less than other babies so that could have been a factor in the Turkish twins who died. Brain abnormalities, genetics, birth defects, respiratory infections can cause SIDS. Again, the parents of the twins who died of SIDS did an assessment of their deaths, didn't blame vaccines. A whole team of medical professionals investigated their deaths. Law enforcement did too. It was concluded that their death was caused by SIDS, not vaccines. The only 1 who said it was due to vaccines is an anti-vaxxer who read about them online & exploited their deaths. She's not a medical professional & she makes her $ selling the stuff on her website that panders to anti-vaxxers.

Are you a parent by any chance? If not then like I said you would not understand. If you are homosexual it would be that much more foreign to you a further removed.
You state that the exact cause is unknown but, contradict yourself when you say that SIDS went down after babies stopped sleeping on their stomachs: both of my children have slept on their stomachs while under four months, slept with me and my wife; I come from a family of seven where we all slept on our stomachs as infants and were even dropped on our heads by accident; my mothers family of twelve and my fathers family of seventeen went through the same routine; and so did my wife's family of seventeen: I am not talking out of my behind on this subject.
Anyways you and other pro vaxxers fail to see the connection between the immdiate denial of vaccinces causing SIDS and other problems each time vaccines are administered. Of course they would publish "studies" of this: they have huge amounts of money invested into the whole scheme. A failure to relaize how evil these people really are is what's keeping you and others blind to what is so plain. Remember that NASA who is supposed to be trustworthy concerning the universe said forty years back that we put men on the moon six times from 1969-1972; but, forty years later we are now being told that we have never left low earth orbit...if I remember corrctly low earth orbit is 99-1,200 miles while the distance from earth to the moon is 238,000 miles...real trustworthy "science".

 

[Cimorene]

You state that the exact cause is unknown but, contradict yourself when you say that SIDS went down after babies stopped sleeping on their stomachs: both of my children have slept on their stomachs while under four months, slept with me and my wife; I come from a family of seven where we all slept on our stomachs as infants and were even dropped on our heads by accident; my mothers family of twelve and my fathers family of seventeen went through the same routine; and so did my wife's family of seventeen: I am not talking out of my behind on this subject.

Ummmmm.


No, I haven't contradicted myself at all, & you thinking that I have only shows your lack of understanding of what we're discussing. The exact cause of all types of cancer isn't known yet either, but there are known risk factors. It does not mean that every person who has those risk factors will get cancer. The same is true with SIDS. A responsible person will use care to reduce risk factors as much as reasonably possible.

Like I said I'm really glad your kids haven't died bc of your parenting choices. Other babies have died when sleeping with parents who've rolled over onto them & suffocated them. That's not SIDS, that's suffocation. Other babies have died or suffered severe brain damage when being dropped on their heads. Traumatic brain injuries, spinal injuries, etc, are caused by being dropped on the head. That's not SIDS either. Sure, babies used to sleep on their stomach & many didn't die of SIDS, but some did. It's a fact that the rate of SIDS went down dramatically after doctors started recommending that they not sleep on their stomach.

Edit to add - If you have more babies, hopefully you'll consider following this for their sake-
Ways To Reduce the Risk of SIDS and Other Sleep-Related Causes of Infant Death

Anyways you and other pro vaxxers fail to see the connection between the immdiate denial of vaccinces causing SIDS and other problems each time vaccines are administered. Of course they would publish "studies" of this: they have huge amounts of money invested into the whole scheme. A failure to relaize how evil these people really are is what's keeping you and others blind to what is so plain.

If vaccines cause SIDS, why have many babies who've never been vaccinated died of SIDS?

Remember that NASA who is supposed to be trustworthy concerning the universe said forty years back that we put men on the moon six times from 1969-1972; but, forty years later we are now being told that we have never left low earth orbit...if I remember corrctly low earth orbit is 99-1,200 miles while the distance from earth to the moon is 238,000 miles...real trustworthy "science".

 

[visionary]

There is no way to effectively predict which infants are at high risk.

 

[visionary]

I wonder why No study has been done to determine the rate of autism in unvaccinated children.

 

[visionary]

deaths from vaccination The introduction of diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis vaccine and child mortality in rural Guinea-Bissau: an observational study. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[visionary]

Another death study from vaccinations https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27856947

 

[visionary]

There is another death study after vaccinations Sex-differential effects on mortality of BCG and diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis vaccines in a rural area with high vaccination coverage: observationa... - PubMed - NCBI

 

[visionary]

Welp. Vaccines Don't Actually Cause Autism, Anti-Vaxxer Study Finds

Temporal Association of Certain Neuropsychiatric Disorders Following Vaccination of Children and Adolescents: A Pilot Case-Control Study. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[Dave-W]

There is no way to effectively predict which infants are at high risk.

All of the risk factors - no. But many of them are known, like sleeping on the stomach, low birth weight and being premature. Our twins were 5 weeks early and weighed in at 4 lb 4 oz and 4 lb 7 oz.

35 years ago we were told our twin girls were at risk so we had breathing alarms on both when they slept for several months.