Using the term "rapture" incorrectly

[Douggg]

I observe in nearly all posts that the term "rapture" is used incorrectly.

It will not be just a "rapture" event, but a "resurrection/rapture" event.

The event involves resurrection of the dead in Christ and the rapture of the living in Christ.

So please, everyone, start using the term "resurrection/rapture event", not just rapture by itself.

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For example. Not pre-trib rapture. But pre-trib resurrection/rapture event.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

I observe in nearly all posts that the term "rapture" is used incorrectly.

It will not be just a "rapture" event, but a "resurrection/rapture" event.

The event involves resurrection of the dead in Christ and the rapture of the living in Christ.

So please, everyone, start using the term "resurrection/rapture event", not just rapture by itself.

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For example. Not pre-trib rapture. But pre-trib resurrection/rapture event.

I see you posted this on the other forum we both post on, so I will repeat here what I said there.

No one is going to do this because it's completely unnecessary. Everyone knows that the resurrection of the dead in Christ happens first and then the rapture (catching up to meet the Lord in the air) of the resurrected dead in Christ together with those who are alive and remain happens immediately afterwards. So, if someone refers to the rapture, then anyone who knows what is written in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, which is a vast majority of us, will know that it occurs at the time of the resurrection of the dead in Christ. So, there is no need to refer to it as the "resurrection/rapture event" as if anyone doesn't know that the resurrection of the dead in Christ happens just before the rapture occurs.

Have you seen anyone on this forum try to claim that the rapture occurs at a different time than the resurrection of the dead in Christ?

 

[Douggg]

I see you posted this on the other forum we both post on, so I will repeat here what I said there.

No one is going to do this because it's completely unnecessary. Everyone knows that the resurrection of the dead in Christ happens first and then the rapture (catching up to meet the Lord in the air) of the resurrected dead in Christ together with those who are alive and remain happens immediately afterwards. So, if someone refers to the rapture, then anyone who knows what is written in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, which is a vast majority of us, will know that it occurs at the time of the resurrection of the dead in Christ. So, there is no need to refer to it as the "resurrection/rapture event" as if anyone doesn't know that the resurrection of the dead in Christ happens just before the rapture occurs.

Have you seen anyone on this forum try to claim that the rapture occurs at a different time than the resurrection of the dead in Christ?

Using the correct term "resurrection/rapture" not only is respectful for the dead in Christ, but also cancels some timing views of the resurrection/rapture event. Such as the view that Matthew 24:31 is speaking about the event.

Also the resurrection/rapture event is not just a resurrection alone. So it important when speaking about the event to use the correct term, the resurrection/rapture event.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Using the correct term "resurrection/rapture" not only is respectful for the dead in Christ, but also cancels some timing views of the resurrection/rapture event.

Everyone who has read 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 knows that the resurrected dead in Christ are part of the rapture.

Such as the view that Matthew 24:31 is speaking about the event.

It is. When will you ever learn that not all passages that relate to the second coming of Christ contain all of the same details regarding that event? Just because Matthew 24:31 does not specifically mention a resurrection does not mean that the resurrection of the dead in Christ doesn't occur at that time. This is not how to interpret scripture, Douggg. There is no mention of any gathering being done by angels in Revelation 19:11-21, so does that mean Matthew 24:30-31 and Revelation 19:11-21 are not referring to the same event, namely the return of Christ?

Also the resurrection/rapture event is not just a resurrection alone.

No one says that a resurrection doesn't occur when the rapture occurs, so this is just silly.

So it important when speaking about the event to use the correct term, the resurrection/rapture event.

No, it is not. It's only important to you in order to make people think that 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 is a different event from Matthew 24:30-31. Your arguments from silence are not going to convince anyone who actually knows what the scriptures teach.

Douggg, think about how badly you misinterpreted Zechariah 13:7 before I corrected you and showed you how Jesus applied it. Consider what other scripture you might be completely mistaken about besides that one. As long as you keep interpreting scripture based on doctrinal bias, you will never discover the truth of end times scriptures.

 

[tranquil]

I observe in nearly all posts that the term "rapture" is used incorrectly.

It will not be just a "rapture" event, but a "resurrection/rapture" event.

The event involves resurrection of the dead in Christ and the rapture of the living in Christ.

So please, everyone, start using the term "resurrection/rapture event", not just rapture by itself.

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For example. Not pre-trib rapture. But pre-trib resurrection/rapture event.

There is no 'whisked away' rapture event. And there most certainly is not a 'pre-trib resurrection/ rapture event'

1 Cor 15:52 in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

the 'last trumpet' is the 7th Trumpet which is

Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.​

30At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.​

31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.​

Literally the same thing going on here in Deut 30

1“And when all these things come upon you, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before you, and you call them to mind among all the nations where the Lord your God has driven you, 2and return to the Lord your God, you and your children, and obey his voice in all that I command you today, with all your heart and with all your soul, 3then the Lord your God will restore your fortunes and have mercy on you, and he will gather you again from all the peoples where the Lord your God has scattered you. 4If your outcasts are in the uttermost parts of heaven, from there the Lord your God will gather you, and from there he will take you. 5And the Lord your God will bring you into the land that your fathers possessed, that you may possess it. And he will make you more prosperous and numerous than your fathers.​

And the 'sign of the son of man' in Matt 24:30 is the Rev 12 sign occurring at... the 7th Trumpet.

 

[Douggg]

Literally the same thing going on here in Deut 30

That is correct. Matthew 24:31 is talking about the gathering of elect, the children of Israel, from around the world to the land of their forefathers - Israel.