Using pascals wager and christianity to kill babies

[CShephard53]

Try a different science. And tell me, what would that be?

Archeology:
http://www.biblicalarcheology.net/

For your evidence

1. The Reliability of the Gospels by Craig Blomberg

What in this book proves the existance of god, and what does this book say about evidence of hell doctrine outside the bible?

2. Apologetics Study Bible

What in the Apologetics Study bible proves the existance of god, and what does this it say about evidence of hell doctrine outside the bible?

Note that I said Christianity, not God. You brought up proving God. And when Christianity is proven, evidence of hell is unnecessary, because it is part of Christianity.

Please tell me how they refer to god and hell without referencing the bible. I've looked at this pdf and I don't see anything in the way of evidence.

http://www.bhpublishinggroup.com/PDF...s_sampler6.pdf

No, because that doesn't give you any titles of any works that are found in the BACK of it, only the titles of some of the articles- not all of them. And it doesn't give you names of authors. http://www.bhpublishinggroup.com/PDF/Apologetics_sampler6.pdf

How is any of this evidence for god and hell outside the bible?

Context, I was talking about faith according to the Bible, not about proving anything other than what faith is.

"No, that is not what Christianity is about. Faith is based in logic. Faith is the conviction of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen (Hebrews 11:1). We do not readily see God answering prayers, but we know that He has, and because we know He has, we know He can and will answer them in the future. It's akin to looking at someone larger and heavier than us sit in a chair and deciding that because the chair was able to hold someone larger, it is able to hold us too. That is the same kind of faith we have in God, else it is founded in ignorance and blind trust. True, faith is trust. But it is not blind, it has its basis. We even see that at the end of John:

Joh 20:24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
Joh 20:25 So the other disciples were saying to him, "We have seen the Lord!" But he said to them, "Unless I see in His hands the imprint of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe."
Joh 20:26 After eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus *came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst and said, "Peace be with you."
Joh 20:27 Then He *said to Thomas, "Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing."
Joh 20:28 Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
Joh 20:29 Jesus *said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed."
Joh 20:30 Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book;
Joh 20:31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name. "

Where in history, outside of the bible, is evidence of god and hell shown?

I said Christianity. Not God.

 

[Braunwyn]

Archeology:
http://www.biblicalarcheology.net/

Note that I said Christianity, not God. You brought up proving God. And when Christianity is proven, evidence of hell is unnecessary, because it is part of Christianity.

Again, this is ridiculous. The idea that you have been trying to prove the existence of christianity is preposterous. Who doesn't know that christianity exists? For pete's sake, I already stated that I'm a former christian. It's obvious that it exists now and has existed. Oh yea, we got some interesting logic going on here.

And how does the existence of christianity make evidence of hell unnecesary? I have no idea what in the world you could be thinking.

No, because that doesn't give you any titles of any works that are found in the BACK of it, only the titles of some of the articles- not all of them. And it doesn't give you names of authors.

How is any of this evidence for god and hell outside the bible?

Context, I was talking about faith according to the Bible, not about proving anything other than what faith is.

How is any of this evidence for god and hell outside the bible? How is faith derived from evidence that exists without referencing the bible?


You do realize that you're going in circles?

I said Christianity. Not God.

What in the heck are you talking about? So, you're not referring to your faith in god, you're referring to your faith in christianity and hence have been trying to prove the existance of christianity? I don't get it.

 

[Braunwyn]

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[CShephard53]

Again, this is ridiculous. The idea that you have been trying to prove the existence of christianity is preposterous. Who doesn't know that christianity exists? For pete's sake, I already stated that I'm a former christian. It's obvious that it exists now and has existed. Oh yea, we got some interesting logic going on here.

Christianity is a belief system that has a basis in something. I'm giving references to that basis. You're the one that put 'existence' in there, I've been talking about basis for it this whole time, which is why I started by talking about what faith is and why faith relies on evidence to be faith and why I gave you the Apologetics Study Bible as a reference to that evidence. That is the order it went in.

And how does the existence of christianity make evidence of hell unnecesary? I have no idea what in the world you could be thinking.

That's because you have preconceived notions that you will not accept as false. Like the notion that I'm going to argue what you think I'm going to argue regardless of whether or not I'm actually going to argue it.

How is any of this evidence for god and hell outside the bible?

I specifically stated last time that I was making it clear what faith is based on and what faith, according to Christianity itself, is. Not evidence for anything what I was arguing. What you quoted was towards the beginning when we were talking about faith.

How is any of this evidence for god and hell outside the bible? How is faith derived from evidence that exists without referencing the bible?

Read the above. And then look up what apologetics is.

You do realize that you're going in circles?

No, I'm not. You're trying to make it sound like I'm going in circles by quoting me out of context. What you quoted, as I've stated for the third time now, is evidence for what faith is according to Christianity, to refute what you originally said about it being blind.

What in the heck are you talking about? So, you're not referring to your faith in god, you're referring to your faith in christianity and hence have been trying to prove the existance of christianity? I don't get it.

That's very obvious to me. But you can try to 'get it' without trying to ridicule next time. As questions rather than make assumptions.

 

[Braunwyn]

hopefully my response will make its way to this page eventually.

 

[Braunwyn]

Christianity is a belief system that has a basis in something. I'm giving references to that basis. You're the one that put 'existence' in there, I've been talking about basis for it this whole time, which is why I started by talking about what faith is and why faith relies on evidence to be faith and why I gave you the Apologetics Study Bible as a reference to that evidence. That is the order it went in.

this is just going around in circles.

That's because you have preconceived notions that you will not accept as false. Like the notion that I'm going to argue what you think I'm going to argue regardless of whether or not I'm actually going to argue it.

I've been asking for specific evidence. You want to give something else...something I didn't ask for. If you can not provide evidence of hell doctrine outside of bible referance than just say so. We could have saved pages of blathering.

I specifically stated last time that I was making it clear what faith is based on and what faith, according to Christianity itself, is. Not evidence for anything what I was arguing. What you quoted was towards the beginning when we were talking about faith.

Yes, faith in god via evidence. Faith in hell doctrine via evidence. Evidence that can be found without referancing the bible.

No, I'm not. You're trying to make it sound like I'm going in circles by quoting me out of context. What you quoted, as I've stated for the third time now, is evidence for what faith is according to Christianity, to refute what you originally said about it being blind.

In the end, it makes no difference whether you misunderstood what I meant by faith or not. You engage in cicular sourcing and you aren't aware of it. And you will probably never be aware of it. Who cares any way.

[qutoe]That's very obvious to me. But you can try to 'get it' without trying to ridicule next time. As questions rather than make assumptions.[/quote]
Normally people don't go out of there way to argue the obvious. You can't fault me for being confused. It's akin to you spending pages trying to prove that human beings exist. It's a waste of time.