Uses of Creationist Science

[Queller]

In this country, if someone refuses to hire a person because said person is a YEC, then they had better keep it under wraps about it, or they can find themselves in a federal lawsuit.

Not if the reason they won't hire them is that have not demonstrated the ability to find oil.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Not if the reason they won't hire them is that have not demonstrated the ability to find oil.

If the reason they won't hire them is because they don't have the ability, then their religious views aren't even a factor.

 

[Queller]

Yes, it does break the law, Mr. We Have Lawyers Skilled In EEOC.

No, it does not break the law. If they refuse to hire people who can't find oil, that is perfectly legal. It doesn't matter WHY they can't find oil, just that they can't find oil.

 

[PsychoSarah]

No, it does not break the law. If they refuse to hire people who can't find oil, that is perfectly legal. It doesn't matter WHY they can't find oil, just that they can't find oil.

You are assuming that a YEC could not be good at finding oil.

 

[bhsmte]

If the reason they won't hire them is because they don't have the ability, then their religious views aren't even a factor.

I can't think of too many situations in the business world, where hiring someone based on their experience and skill, involves finding out about their religious beliefs.

In churches and other private entities, sure, but not in the world of business.

I have hired many people and never gave a thought to discoveries how whatever religious beliefs they may have, would factor into their ability to do the job.

Businesses do not have to hire anyone, if that person does not meet the qualifications that are outlined in the position and the qualifications have a meaningful business purpose that can be substantiated.

 

[Queller]

I was thinking more along the lines of these poor unemployable soles.

https://www.cedarville.edu/Offices/...Geology-Degree-Added-to-Course-Offerings.aspx

They will use their degree to be a janitor at a church. How sad.

To be fair, it does say they teach " both naturalistic and young-earth paradigms of earth history."

Now, how accurately they teach the naturalistic approach is another question altogether.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not if the reason they won't hire them is that have not demonstrated the ability to find oil.

And how would they demonstrate this, if the department secretary automatically files their application in File 13?

 

[AV1611VET]

No, it does not break the law. If they refuse to hire people who can't find oil, that is perfectly legal. It doesn't matter WHY they can't find oil, just that they can't find oil.

They aren't being refuse employment because they can't find oil.

They are being refused employment because they are a Young Earth Geologist/Creationist.

 

[Seipai]

To be fair, it does say they teach " both naturalistic and young-earth paradigms of earth history."

Now, how accurately they teach the naturalistic approach is another question altogether.

One nice "self checking" of naturalism is that if you are correct in your theories they should be useful theories. That is found every day. That is why your car has petroleum products that power it.

Now some creationists here made the mistake of conflating the works of creationists that could do science with "creationism science". Remember the Newton was a physicist that also dabbled heavily in alchemy. That does not make the work he did in physics into a form of alchemy. Nor does the work that some creationists do in real science make that work "creation science".

In reality there is no "Young Earth Paradigm" since sooner or later they all are either self contradicting or are shown to be wrong by the evidence.

 

[Seipai]

They aren't being refuse employment because they can't find oil.

They are being refused employment because they are a Young Earth Geologist/Creationist.

You have yet to show that there are any YEC methods of finding oil.

That is why you would not hire a YEC geologist. He clearly would have no training in finding oil.

 

[AV1611VET]

I can't think of too many situations in the business world, where hiring someone based on their experience and skill, involves finding out about their religious beliefs.

I already addressed that here:

And for the record, I would like to see what is on an application that would alert a law breaker to immediately throw it away.

 

[AV1611VET]

You have yet to show that there are any YEC methods of finding oil.

I wasn't aware YECs use different methods of finding oil.

Were you?

 

[PsychoSarah]

I wasn't aware YECs use different methods of finding oil.

Were you?

I would imagine that the religion probably doesn't play that big of a role in the methodology.

 

[Delphiki]

I wasn't aware YECs use different methods of finding oil.

Were you?

Are you familiar with the term "fossil fuels" and why they are called such?

 

[Queller]

As far as species change, sure. Anyone can see that. God designed creatures to be able to adapt. But it has limits.

What are those limits and how can we determine them scientifically?

 

[Queller]

You are assuming that a YEC could not be good at finding oil.

I'm guessing a discussion about the ability to find oil would be central to the interview process.

 

[Queller]

They aren't being refuse employment because they can't find oil.

They are being refused employment because they are a Young Earth Geologist/Creationist.

No they aren't. They are being refused employment because their resume does not support the ability to find oil.

 

[Queller]

And how would they demonstrate this, if the department secretary automatically files their application in File 13?

If there is nothing on their resume that demonstrates the applicant knows how to find oil, why would you bring them in for an interview for a position requiring that knowledge?

 

[Dizredux]

As far as species change, sure. Anyone can see that. God designed creatures to be able to adapt. But it has limits.

If you could show mechanisms that limit the degree of evolution possible then you would pretty much falsify it as least as we know it now.

Could you show something demonstrating these limits that you are proposing?

Dizredux

 

[AV1611VET]

I would imagine that the religion probably doesn't play that big of a role in the methodology.

Especially if the religion guarantees he won't get employed.