Uses of Creationist Science

[Loudmouth]

What job? They don't even get an initial interview.

Glenn Morton did, as well as a few other geologists who were YEC.

"But eventually, by 1994 I was through with young-earth creationISM. Nothing that young-earth creationists had taught me about geology turned out to be true. I took a poll of my ICR graduate friends who have worked in the oil industry."
http://glennmortonspages.wikispaces...+Testimony+Why+I+Left+Young-Earth+Creationism​

It just turned out that nothing they were taught by the ICR about YEC turned out to be true.

"From your oil industry experience, did any fact that you were taught at ICR, which challenged current geological thinking, turn out in the long run to be true? ,"

That is a very simple question. One man, Steve Robertson, who worked for Shell grew real silent on the phone, sighed and softly said 'No!' A very close friend that I had hired at Arco, after hearing the question, exclaimed, "Wait a minute. There has to be one!" But he could not name one. I can not name one. No one else could either. One man I could not reach, to ask that question, had a crisis of faith about two years after coming into the oil industry. I do not know what his spiritual state is now but he was in bad shape the last time I talked to him.​

 

[Loudmouth]

Show me one thing an evolutionist can do pertaining to his job requirement, that a YEC cannot.

Explain the data.

 

[JGG]

Whether he did or not, I'll say this much:

If he refuses to hire people because they are Young Earth Creationists, or Young Earth Geologists, then he had better get ready for a legal battle.

And for the record, I would like to see what is on an application that would alert a law breaker to immediately throw it away.

If I understand it, they don't get hired because they have on their resume that they were educated at a school that teaches misinformation that prevents them from doing their job well. The same way Goldmann Sachs hires lawyers from Harvard, Oxford and Yale, but not the Lionel Hutz Law School of Springfield.

 

[JGG]

Explain the data.

Sure they can: "Goddidit."

 

[Seipai]

Ya ... like pushing buttons or pulling levers ... right?

Show me one thing an evolutionist can do pertaining to his job requirement, that a YEC cannot.

And for the record, what would you do if an evolutionist at your place got saved and became a YEC?

Fire him?

If he didn't mention his conversion, would you notice a decline in his workmanship over time?

why do you think that a evolutionist would quit believing the truth simply because he got save? There are many Christians that accept the theory of evolution.

 

[mark kennedy]

Can I ask all the Creationists what has creationist research done to help mankind?

If you mean the doctrine of creation as taught throughout Christian and Hebrew history, not much, just brought the message of redemption to countless millions.

While looking round The Institute for Creation Research Institute for Creationist Research to see what good they have done to help mankind, I could see NOTHING, not one thing that helps mankind.

Raymond Vahan Damadian (born March 16, 1936) is an American medical practitioner and inventor of the first MR (Magnetic Resonance) Scanning Machine. Raymond Vahan Damadian

So my question is what practical uses of there is for 'Creationist Science' and how is it helping mankind in a practical way.

Well...you know....what your doing is called begging the question of proof. I lost interest in this kind of rhetorical device a long time ago, just get tired of chasing it in circles.

Have a nice day
Mark

 

[JGG]

If you mean the doctrine of creation as taught throughout Christian and Hebrew history, not much, just brought the message of redemption to countless millions.

I think he meant Creationist research, or Creationist "Science", not the doctrine of creation.

Raymond Vahan Damadian (born March 16, 1936) is an American medical practitioner and inventor of the first MR (Magnetic Resonance) Scanning Machine. Raymond Vahan Damadian

Magnetic resonance imaging has nothing to do with creationism.

 

[mark kennedy]

I think he meant Creationist research, or Creationist "Science", not the doctrine of creation.

The logical separation of natural phenomenon makes the question circular.

Magnetic resonance imaging has nothing to do with creationism.

According to the inventor it has everything to do with it.

 

[kevinmaynard]

Whether he did or not, I'll say this much:

If he refuses to hire people because they are Young Earth Creationists, or Young Earth Geologists, then he had better get ready for a legal battle.

And for the record, I would like to see what is on an application that would alert a law breaker to immediately throw it away.

No worry about a legal battle. As not hiring young earth geologists isn't breaking any EEOC regulation.

 

[kevinmaynard]

Ya ... like pushing buttons or pulling levers ... right?

Show me one thing an evolutionist can do pertaining to his job requirement, that a YEC cannot.

And for the record, what would you do if an evolutionist at your place got saved and became a YEC?

Fire him?

If he didn't mention his conversion, would you notice a decline in his workmanship over time?

One thing a real geologist can do is find oil.

Also, we don't hire biologists to find oil either. For the same reason we don't hire young earth geologists. They can't find oil.

 

[kevinmaynard]

If they have a degree in young earth geology they won't get an interview. If however, someone is a young earth creationist but happens to have a valid degree in petroleum geology and their religious convictions don't interfere with their duties, they just might get that job.

Yes in fact that person would have a good chance at a job. Assuming they went to a reputable school, and had good grades. Knowing that the earth isn't 6000 years old, and applying the science of geology doesn't mean you can't tell people you employ cognitive dissonance to have faith it is all an illusion and God made the earth 6000 years ago.

 

[Delphiki]

Wow. Not one creationist seems to have understood the question that the OP was asking.

You know how the understanding of evolution allowed us to understand genetics so that we could grow better produce through artificial selection? That is a benefit of actual real science.

What has so-called "creation science" done like this? Spreading the gospel is not an answer. We're looking for something practical and useful. We're looking for something comparable to medicine or agriculture that was improved upon or discovered using "creation science" methods (whatever that is)-- not improved upon or discovered by real scientists that happened to also be Christians or creationists.

 

[KWCrazy]

Wow. Not one creationist seems to have understood the question that the OP was asking.

Your statement is deliberately false. We were asked what creation science has done for mankind, and we responded.

We're looking for something comparable to medicine or agriculture that was improved upon or discovered using "creation science" methods (whatever that is)-- not improved upon or discovered by real scientists that happened to also be Christians or creationists.

That was NOT the question in the OP.

Who is "we?" Are you using multiple accounts?

 

[Loudmouth]

Raymond Vahan Damadian (born March 16, 1936) is an American medical practitioner and inventor of the first MR (Magnetic Resonance) Scanning Machine. Raymond Vahan Damadian

How did he use creationism to design these systems?

 

[Loudmouth]

Your statement is deliberately false. We were asked what creation science has done for mankind, and we responded.

You haven't shown how creation science has done anything.

 

[Dizredux]

The case of Nathaniel Abraham at Woods hole involved his being fired because he was working on evolution related projects and did not believe in evolution.

Apparently Abraham file a complaint with the Massachusetts Commission against Discrimination and it was rejected. Abraham then filed a suit which was rejected because he waited too long to file.

Not as clear cut as might be preferred but it does look like it probably would be quite legal to terminate a YEC geologist especially if the beliefs interfered in the ability to do the work.

Dizredux

 

[Delphiki]

Your statement is deliberately false. We were asked what creation science has done for mankind, and we responded.

That was NOT the question in the OP.

Who is "we?" Are you using multiple accounts?

"We" is at least the OP and myself, because I posted a similar thread some time back and got no relevant answers then either.

Preaching gospel isn't demonstrably "doing good for mankind", now is it?

And even if it was, it's not like there's this mass obliviousness to Christianity in the country or world, either. Spreading the gospel is just a bit like a McDonald's commercial -- making people aware of something that nearly everyone has already heard of. It's not like when the Jehovah Witnesses or Mormons come to my door, asking me if I've heard of Jesus Christ, I say "Why, no! I've never heard of him. Please tell me more so I can prepare for the end of the world as you have kindly warned me about! Oh, thank you soooo much for making me aware of this Jesus fellow."

Having talked to Christians, actually, they tell me that if I were oblivious to Christianity, then I'd be forgiven upon death anyway -- so aren't you doing a disservice to humanity by spreading the gospel in that case?

Just show me one nice or practical thing that any religious person can do for another that a non-believer can't do or hasn't done.

 

[JGG]

The logical separation of natural phenomenon makes the question circular.

Howso?

According to the inventor it has everything to do with it.

How was Creation Science essential to the creation of Magnetic Resonance Imaging?

 

[Loudmouth]

The case of Nathaniel Abraham at Woods hole involved his being fired because he was working on evolution related projects and did not believe in evolution.

He was fired because he refused to do the work. If he had put aside his beliefs and did the work his PI asked him to, there would have been no cause for termination.

 

[EternalDragon]

why do you think that a evolutionist would quit believing the truth simply because he got save? There are many Christians that accept the theory of evolution.

As far as species change, sure. Anyone can see that. God designed
creatures to be able to adapt. But it has limits.