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US swaps 5 Gitmo prisoners for US soldiers release, but many questions remain

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After 5 years held in Afghanistan, what's next for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl? - CNN.com

Hailey, Idaho (CNN) -- No one here knew exactly where he was or what he was going through, but this tiny city in Idaho never forgot about Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl.
Yellow balloons and American flags line the sidewalks of Hailey, population 8,000. Residents planted one tree for each of the five years Bergdahl was held captive in Afghanistan.
Now, uncertainty has given way to elation as the Army sergeant has been released from his captors -- in exchange for freeing five Taliban members held at Guantanamo Bay.

One question that remains unanswered is how Bergdahl disappeared in the first place.
Several veterans and soldiers call him a deserter who walked off his base on June 30, 2009. At least six soldiers were killed in subsequent searches for him.
"Bowe Bergdahl deserted during a time of war and his fellow Americans lost their lives searching for him," said former Sgt. Matt Vierkant, a member of Bergdahl's platoon.
Vierkant said Bergdahl needs to not only acknowledge his actions publicly but face a military trial for desertion under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Some disturbing things said about military actions in Afghanistan by Bowe:

We don't even care when we hear each other talk about running their children down in the dirt streets with our armored trucks... We make fun of them in front of their faces, and laugh at them for not understanding we are insulting them...I am sorry for everything
 

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This is the soldier that was reported as having walked off his post before he was captured by the Taliban in Afghanistan if I'm not mistaken.

And Obama invokes an executive privilege and exchanges what American's were told during the Bush administration were the 5 most dangerous terrorists on earth do as to insure his release? :doh:

Bypassing the protocols that involved Congress, this may be what sets up the impeachment process. Do we think these 5 terrorists are any less dangerous now? Having been tortured at Gitmo all these years on an indefinite detention order?
 
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There's just so many fishy things here.

Dad says basically a prayer to Allah (in arabic) during the rose garden ceremony. Tells his son they have a mission and that he's proud of what he was willing to go through for the Afghan people. We release not just 5 gitmo detainees, but the 5 who happen to be the worst ones?

I think this is gonna blow up soon...

Fellow soldiers call Bowe Bergdahl a deserter, not a hero - CNN.com
 
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Reasons for them releasing the prisoners:

- This was actually planned for a while, involving more than Bowe. There are attempts at getting the Taliban to engage in political talks with the Afghan government.

- These prisoners have probably had any useful information driven out of them.

- I really think the US is going to be using these guys as bait. I'm shocked the Taliban want them back, as they will probably lead the US back to current operations.
 
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I'd wonder if we implanted them with a GPS chip so as to find out where the installations are once the Taliban return them to their HQ?

This doesn't sound good. But it is out of our hands. Said and done. The five most dangerous Taliban terrorists on earth are out of Cuba and a deserter is back home.

What about the 70+ year old contractor who's been held in Pakistan for years?
And what does this U.S. exchange show the Taliban and other terrorist groups when now we start negotiating with those who hold our people prisoner?

Some countries pay for return of their citizens held captive. But the U.S always said they'd never negotiate. Now we have.

This doesn't bode well for our future I don't think. :(

- I really think the US is going to be using these guys as bait. I'm shocked the Taliban want them back, as they will probably lead the US back to current operations.
How would they know where those are? They've been in captivity for what? Since Bush Jr. was at least in his second term. If not his first.
The troop maps would have changed by now I'd hope. But one thing is sure. After all these years of torture and depravation these five, when they hated the U.S before, sure aren't feeling all warm and fuzzy toward us now.
 
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I'd wonder if we implanted them with a GPS chip so as to find out where the installations are once the Taliban return them to their HQ?

This is what I immediately thought of, and would have been what I would have done in their position.

"my my mister Taliban you drive a hard bargain, but sure have these 5 timebombs-er leaders back".

I'm more interested in what you talk about later though, why Bowe was the one they wanted. Are they feigning enthusiasm and want to nail him with charges? Does he have intel they wanted to keep away from Taliban (seems unlikely or they would have agreed sooner). Could it all be a ploy (he was a spy for us and told to "defect" and be captured to collect intel). I sincerely doubt that his fellow soldiers are all lying about him, though if they were doing some of the things he accused them of it might make sense for them to turn on him. I just wonder when and if we will know exactly what went on here.
 
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After all the lies from Bush, hearing this makes me yawn.

Well, to be fair, 3 of them were high ranking members, the other 2 are just vaguely senior members of the taliban.

They were quite dangerous. Now, so many years out of the loop I doubt they will have anywhere near the same bite.
 
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My main question relates to what security guarantees the government of Qatar gave relating to the prisoners. It's probably not something that we'll ever actually know, given that I'm sure that a lot of it is highly sensitive information, but I do think that something beyond noting that they exist is called for. That could easily alter the entire nature of the situation, since if they're essentially under house arrest in the Taliban embassy in Qatar, and if they have to be under armed guard when they travel, that makes things a lot different than just "five Taliban operatives were released".

Whether this was a prisoner swap or a prisoner transfer to less restrictive circumstances in Qatar in exchange for a release is pretty relevant. You can justify letting someone die at the hands of terrorists to protect hundreds of innocent people, but not just to keep someone locked up for punitive purposes, no matter how terrible they are.
 
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If he had been executed or died in the hands of the Taliban, the same partisan whining would be about why President Obama did nothing. Even sacred Israel engages in prisoner exchanges.
 
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If he had been executed or died in the hands of the Taliban, the same partisan whining would be about why President Obama did nothing. Even sacred Israel engages in prisoner exchanges.

Agreed, but why this guy? There are others who will be exchanged in the future, but why was this guy such a priority?
 
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And Obama invokes an executive privilege and exchanges what American's were told during the Bush administration were the 5 most dangerous terrorists on earth do as to insure his release?

The Obama loyalist will not care about any of that. The fact these five terrorist were captured during the Bush years and spent time at Gitmo will only serve to elevate them to sympathetic victim status persecuted at the hands of imperialistic America.

However the five terrorist released were Mohammad Fazl, Mullah Norullah Noori, Mohammed Nabi, Khairullah Khairkhwa and Abdul Haq Wasiq.

Mohammad Fazl:

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Fazl was captured in early 2002 and designated a "high-risk detainee." He was a senior commander in the Taliban army, and between the years 1998 and 2001 was responsible for the deaths of "thousands" of Afghanistan Shi'ite Muslims. According to the U.S. military he was also participated in the November 2001 prison riot which killed operative Johnny Spann. But then Spann was a CIA guy so the level of sympathy for his death, when compared to the level of sympathy for Taliban operatives, was minimal.

According to The Guardian, the Huff Po, and others, US intelligence personal railed against this proposed exchange, simply to no avail.

Mullah Norullah Noori:

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Taliban Leader: The Prisoner Exchange Is A 'Great Victory'

Mullah Omar, the reclusive head of the Taliban, has purportedly released a statement hailing the transfer of top five Taliban commanders from Guantanamo to Qatar. Omar says their freedom is a "great victory."

The first picture posted by the Taliban appears to show Mullah Norullah Noori, a senior Taliban military commander. According to a leaked JTF-GTMO file, Noori has been "wanted by the United Nations (UN) for possible war crimes including the murder of thousands of Shiite Muslims." He fought alongside al Qaeda in pre-9/11 Afghanistan.

Source: Mullah Omar Happy With US-Taliban Exchange - Business Insider

According to US Intelligence Noori was “one of the most significant former Taliban officials detained at JTF-GTMO.” Noori led Taliban and al-Qaida forces in action against US forces. According to CNN and the Washington Post Noori is wanted by the UN for war crimes. Actual war crimes, as opposed to the fantasies many on the left are always accusing American politicians and soldiers of. “wanted by the UN for possible war crimes.” Noori has a brother currently serving as a Taliban commander still conducting operations against US forces in Afghanistan, and he is a high risk to return straight to the battlefield and resume his old habits.

According to the Department of Defense Noori is and always has been described as "high risk".

Source: Mullah Norullah Noori - The Guantánamo Docket

Mohammed Nabi Omari:

According to the Gitmo docket Omari is another senior Taliban official who ran the Khowst cell of al-Qaida and Taliban operatives. He was involved in smuggling missiles between Jalalabad and Peshawar. He was directly or indirectly involved with the deaths of at least two Americans.

He was also involved with and had ties to Haqqani Network and the HIG personnel. Look those up.

Khairullah Khairkhwa:

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In addition to being a senior Taliban member Khairkhwa was the former governor of Herat province, an area known for these type of activities:

Eight dead in Afghan blast

The Pakistan-based Afghan Islamic Press (AIP) news service said an exiled Iranian Islamic scholar was among those killed in the blast in the western city of Herat.

It quoted Herat province governor Maulvi Khairullah Khairkhwa as saying the explosion also injured some 30 people.


Source: BBC News | SOUTH ASIA | Eight dead in Afghan blast

Abdul Haq Wasiq:

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According to the Gitmo docket Wasiq was the Taliban Deputy Minister of Intelligence, and had direct access to both Taliban and ACM leadership. He was also classified as High Risk to return to his previous occupation of combat operations against US and coalition forces, or just Americans anywhere.

These are the five guys the Obama administration traded for a soldier who not only deserted his post but wrote anti-US military and anti-American screeds full of typical leftist lies, and is reported to may have converted to Islam while in captivity. For the release of Bergdahl both the Taliban and al-Qiada learned the recommended retail price for getting anyone else they want out of Gitmo.

Bypassing the protocols that involved Congress, this may be what sets up the impeachment process. Do we think these 5 terrorists are any less dangerous now? Having been tortured at Gitmo all these years on an indefinite detention order?

We have seen this before with detainees designated as medium risk being re-captured on the battlefield. What else does anyone think these guys will do, open up a bake shop in Jalalabad?

This doesn't sound good. But it is out of our hands. Said and done. The five most dangerous Taliban terrorists on earth are out of Cuba and a deserter is back home.

This isn't good. Of course it is and will continue to be hailed as another Obama achievement but the truth is it is another in a long line of Obama foreign policy failures. A dangerous precedent has been set here, negotiating with terrorist. It has been official US policy for many years not to do so, but now, via executive order, Obama has done just that. Ergo...

And what does this U.S. exchange show the Taliban and other terrorist groups when now we start negotiating with those who hold our people prisoner?

Just as with the Hashtag Wimpathy campaign it shows how weak the United States has become, and how weak our leadership has become.

After all the lies from Bush, hearing this makes me yawn.

But the serial lies of the current President are apparently of no concern.

They were quite dangerous. Now, so many years out of the loop I doubt they will have anywhere near the same bite.

From the Washington Post, quote:

One of the freed men was the head of the Taliban’s army. Another arranged for al-Qaeda trainers to visit Afghanistan. Another has been implicated by the United Nations for killing thousands of Shiite Muslims.

Although the five men have each been in prison for at least a decade, many believe they still have significant influence within the Taliban because of their contributions during the group’s formative years. The last time a high-level Taliban official was released from Guantanamo, in 2007, the detainee, Mullah Abdul Qayyum Zakir, returned to Afghanistan and took the reins as the organization’s director of military operations.


Obama has capitulated to the terrorist and they will return to their own habits. However that isn't the only issue here. This release is, I believe, part of a greater overall plan to move all of the Gitmo detainees out before the coming elections, something to offer the base. In other words, another political move meant to benefit the administration and those liberal Democrats attempting to gain re-election. And with complete disdain and disregard for any question of harming the national security of the United States or placing US Troops at risk or violating the long standing policy of not negotiating with terrorist, the base will fall right into line...

5 prisoners closer to closing Gitmo.

Automatons...
 
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These are the five guys the Obama administration traded for a soldier who not only deserted his post but wrote anti-US military and anti-American screeds full of typical leftist lies, and is reported to may have converted to Islam while in captivity. For the release of Bergdahl both the Taliban and al-Qiada learned the recommended retail price for getting anyone else they want out of Gitmo.
So, in your opinion, in negotiations to free a US POW should we factor in their political and religious beliefs?

Also, it's not accurate to call him a deserter. Yes, he walked from his post (which is a serious crime), but for him to be a deserter means he did not intend to come back.
 
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So, in your opinion, in negotiations to free a US POW should we factor in their political and religious beliefs?

Also, it's not accurate to call him a deserter. Yes, he walked from his post (which is a serious crime), but for him to be a deserter means he did not intend to come back.

My friend's husband was stationed with this guy.

Unofficially, he was a deserter.
 
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