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A global flood would have had to eliminated all pre-existing ice layers, lake varves, and trees.
How could that be possible? That is insane. The existence of ice layers, lake varves, and tree-ring chronologies cannot be denied by a sane person. Just for tree-rings, The Ultimate Dendrochonology, website destroyed the "multiple rings" fraud.
If a falsehood is necessary for your comfort, I recommend that you stop participating on these anti-reality websites. Stop reading anything about science. Read the Bible exclusively and hope for resurrection.
SNIP...... I believe in the flood being about 3000 BC ..... SNIP
Are you guys christians?
I looked at the Ultimate Dendrochronology site and did not find any "multiple rings fraud" destroyed, although I did note it favors uniformitarianism. So I looked at Wikipedia and found
"Direct reading of tree ring chronologies is a learned science, for several reasons. First, contrary to the single ring per year paradigm, alternating poor and favorable conditions, such as mid-summer droughts, can result in several rings forming in a given year." Does this seem incredible to you?
As to apparent lake varves (turbidites?) with multiple layers per year, there seem to be many citations, such as the following . . .
I looked at the Ultimate Dendrochronology site and did not find any "multiple rings fraud" destroyed, although I did note it favors uniformitarianism.
As to apparent lake varves (turbidites?) with multiple layers per year, there seem to be many citations, such as the following:
Does that seem incredible to you?
- Quigley, R. M, Glaciolacustrine and glaciomarine clay deposition: a North American perspective; in: Eyles, N., editor, Glacial geology—an introduction for engineers and earth scientists, Pergamon Press, New York, p. 151, 1983.
There was a global flood about 3000 BC?
No-one appears to have informed the Seine-Oise-Marne culture, the Longshan, Yangshao, Liangzhu, Qujialing and Dawenkou cultures of China, the Cycladic and Minoan peoples, the Jemdet Nasr/Sumerian culture, the Wartberg group, the Indus valley and Mehrgarh inhabitants of India/Pakistan and a couple of dozen other groups of the late Neolithic period.
These civilizations all straddle your 3000 BC demarcation, as they all existed both before and after it.
For example, archaeologists recognise the Indus civilization as existing between roughly 3300 BC and 1800-1700 BC, with more than 1000 sites of inhabitation identified. Yet, for your thesis to be correct, this civilization would have come to an abrupt end somewhere around 3000 BC. The same goes for the Dawenkou and Liangzhu cultures, which existed between around 3500 BC and 2600 BC, and the Liangzhu, which lasted from 3400 BC to about 2250 BC.
Somehow, you need to account for these civilisations continuing intact through a global flood as though nothing had happened.
A global flood would have had to eliminated all pre-existing ice layers, lake varves, and trees.
I believe in the flood being about 3000 BC, so I have to believe that more than one tree ring, ice ring, and lake varve formed in some years, which I understand is quite possible.
Then we can test for that. We should only be able to find ice layers, lake varves, and trees ring records that go back 3,000 years. Do you agree with this or not?
I agree that if I use a 3000 BC very destructive flood date and assume one massive age age to follow, which I do, then the real date of any ice layers, lake varies, and tree rings should not go back further than 3,000 BC. That is the real date, not the apparent date from assuming that the processes we see now can be accurately assumed to continue exactly the same into the past. As to lake varves, I am certainly not an expert, but I imagine that a very turbid condition could in fact produce many layers in one year. Despite denial by mainstream scientists, I believe this has actually been demonstrated.
That's not how seeking the truth works. You don't get to throw out the data because it doesn't fit your conclusion. The evidence indicates that these are annual records.
Let me turn this around. My understanding is that it is standard mainstream science practice to throw out outlier data. Do you deny that is what is being done with carbon dating of dinosaur bones under 40,000 years?
And unlike mainstream science practice of claiming the data they don't like is just in error, I am only saying their interpretation is in error, and I am stating why I think so.
It would appear to me that you are not seeking the truth.
I looked at the Ultimate Dendrochronology site and did not find any "multiple rings fraud" destroyed, although I did note it favors uniformitarianism. So I looked at Wikipedia and found
"Direct reading of tree ring chronologies is a learned science, for several reasons. First, contrary to the single ring per year paradigm, alternating poor and favorable conditions, such as mid-summer droughts, can result in several rings forming in a given year." Does this seem incredible to you?
As to apparent lake varves (turbidites?) with multiple layers per year, there seem to be many citations, such as the following:
Does that seem incredible to you?
- Quigley, R. M, Glaciolacustrine and glaciomarine clay deposition: a North American perspective; in: Eyles, N., editor, Glacial geology—an introduction for engineers and earth scientists, Pergamon Press, New York, p. 151, 1983.
We each see life through our own lenses. Our culture, education, philosophical outlook all introduce biases -- both for you and for me. Now we all see through a mirror darkly. But because you can't appreciate where I am coming from, you should be careful of judging where I am going. If you knew me, you absolutely would not question that I am seeking the truth with my whole heart.
How could the process that creates extra rings occur the same way on multiple continents, and then also agree with stalagmites, ice layers, and lake varves which form by completely different mechanisms?
That seems like a good question, and I don't have an answer at this point. I will try to set this aside for now and get an answer when I can.
Anyone who has to reject data because it conflicts with their beliefs is not seeking the truth. It is that simple.
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