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Update on Fr. John Corapi

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Vows are not temporary or until you no longer fill like fulfililng them.

This VOW is an eternal vow.

Which saint said the road to hell is paved with the skulls of priests?

"The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops." – St. Athanasius
 
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The bishop is the one who has the final say, no?

Not usually and only if moved to step in, as far as I understand the relationship between a local ordinary and an order, which isn't much.
 
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I guess we will see. . . . I pray that the very best thing possible for Corapi will happen.

I don't know anything about the Bishop where the SOLT are. I assume he knows what he is doing. Even though the media company president said it was a violation of canon. I assumed he didn't know what he was talking about and was upset that it was a hit in in his wallet without a leg to stand on. It seems he was also a part of firing the accuser. There really hasn't been anything new until this. I basically figure like the Bishop quoted above. I did expect Fr. C to just remain silent but only God knows whats going on behind the scenes. Could be another bad Bishop too for all we know at this point. I do think I know who the accuser is. I figured it out about a month ago and sent her two messages and she didn't reply which reconfirmed my suspicion. Its unimportant either way because just knowing who she is still isn't enough to judge if he is guilty or not. I think he would have to do this resignation to go into civil court to defend himself. It may be the only way to clear his name. I know how a woman scorned can lie to hurt someone. I've had it happen to me before and its no fun to be the brunt of calumny, if thats the case. There are people out there who probably still believe bold face lies told about me from my past. I just forgave and moved on but I also didn't have a scandal of this magnitude to clear up. You know that old saying, that God only allows what one can handle. Apparently, Fr. Corapi can handle a lot. He may very well set a precedent for other falsely accused priests to defend themselves down the road too. Like you said, time will tell and talking heads will be waiting with perky ears.
 
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Have you considered that might be your interpretation of what he meant by what he said? I see it as something completely different and in line with the Bishop quoted above.

I think most would have missed the import of those words. . I missed it the first time I read it . . . read right over it. I think it is a window into the inner workings of his mind and needs to be investigated - and I hope this is the case, as it would mitigate the seriousness and gravity of his decision.
 
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I don't know anything about the Bishop where the SOLT are. I assume he knows what he is doing. Even though the media company president said it was a violation of canon. I assumed he didn't know what he was talking about and was upset that it was a hit in in his wallet without a leg to stand on. It seems he was also a part of firing the accuser. There really hasn't been anything new until this. I basically figure like the Bishop quoted above. I did expect Fr. C to just remain silent but only God knows whats going on behind the scenes. Could be another bad Bishop too for all we know at this point. I do think I know who the accuser is. I figured it out about a month ago and sent her two messages and she didn't reply which reconfirmed my suspicion. Its unimportant either way because just knowing who she is still isn't enough to judge if he is guilty or not. I think he would have to do this resignation to go into civil court to defend himself. It may be the only way to clear his name. I know how a woman scorned can lie to hurt someone. I've had it happen to me before and its no fun to be the brunt of calumny, if thats the case. There are people out there who probably still believe bold face lies told about me from my past. I just forgave and moved on but I also didn't have a scandal of this magnitude to clear up. You know that old saying, that God only allows what one can handle. Apparently, Fr. Corapi can handle a lot. He may very well set a precedent for other falsely accused priests to defend themselves down the road too. Like you said, time will tell and talking heads will be waiting with perky ears.

The scriptures speak very clearly against taking our cases to secular courts.
 
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I think most would have missed the import of those words. . I missed it the first time I read it . . . read right over it. I think it is a window into the inner workings of his mind and needs to be investigated - and I hope this is the case, as it would mitigate the seriousness and gravity of his decision.

Corapi for president, Gingrich for vise, Santorum for secretary of state. ^_^
 
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Don't I know it. Sometimes its not by choice.

I think this is where trust in God and His will comes in, and submission to the authority of the Church . . . I think it is dangerous to one's spiritual health and state take such things to secular court as opposed to the Church's internal workings. One is basicaly saying "God, I don't trust you enough to work through these circumstances . . You are not working fast enough for me, so here is what I am going to do."

There can be reason to do both. . . but not the secular over the Ecclesial.


God does not work in our timing or according to our desires. He has a grander plan in view, and ALL THINGS work to good to those who love God, who are the called according to HIS purpose.

All that needs be done here is willing submission in accordance with his vows, which are unconditional, and trusting in GOD'S timing, not his.
1 Corinthians
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1 How can any one of you with a case against another dare to bring it to the unjust for judgment instead of to the holy ones? 2 Do you not know that the holy ones will judge the world? If the world is to be judged by you, are you unqualified for the lowest law courts? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? Then why not everyday matters? 4 If, therefore, you have courts for everyday matters, do you seat as judges people of no standing in the church? 5 I say this to shame you. Can it be that there is not one among you wise enough to be able to settle a case between brothers? 6 But rather brother goes to court against brother, and that before unbelievers? 7 Now indeed (then) it is, in any case, a failure on your part that you have lawsuits against one another. Why not rather put up with injustice? Why not rather let yourselves be cheated? 8 Instead, you inflict injustice and cheat, and this to brothers. 9 2 3 Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor sodomites 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 That is what some of you used to be; but now you have had yourselves washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
Taking this to secular court instad of following Paul's insructions above is man's way, not God's.
 
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I think this is where trust in God and His will comes in, and submission to the authority of the Church . . . I think it is dangerous to one's spiritual health and state take such things to secular court as opposed to the Church's internal workings. One is basicaly saying "God, I don't trust you enough to work through these circumstances . . You are not working fast enough for me, so here is what I am going to do."

There can be reason to do both. . . but not the secular over the Ecclesial.

God does not work in our timing or according to our desires. He has a grander plan in view, and ALL THINGS work to good to those who love God, who are the called according to HIS purpose.

All that needs be done here is willing submission in accordance with his vows, which are unconditional, and trusting in GOD'S timing, not his.
1 Corinthians
Chapter 61

1 How can any one of you with a case against another dare to bring it to the unjust for judgment instead of to the holy ones? 2 Do you not know that the holy ones will judge the world? If the world is to be judged by you, are you unqualified for the lowest law courts? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? Then why not everyday matters? 4 If, therefore, you have courts for everyday matters, do you seat as judges people of no standing in the church? 5 I say this to shame you. Can it be that there is not one among you wise enough to be able to settle a case between brothers? 6 But rather brother goes to court against brother, and that before unbelievers? 7 Now indeed (then) it is, in any case, a failure on your part that you have lawsuits against one another. Why not rather put up with injustice? Why not rather let yourselves be cheated? 8 Instead, you inflict injustice and cheat, and this to brothers. 9 2 3 Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor sodomites 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 That is what some of you used to be; but now you have had yourselves washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
Taking this to secular court instad of following Paul's insructions above is man's way, not God's.

Sort of like making reports to Protestants huh? I've been taken to court twice. It was a matter of giving to Caesar what was his. I prayed so hard that they would wish to reconcile out of court but they made their choice otherwise and I was the victim. Free will is a powerful thing.
 
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Sort of like making reports to Protestants huh? I've been taken to court twice. It was a matter of giving to Caesar what was his. I prayed so hard that they would wish to reconcile out of court but they made their choice otherwise. Free will is a powerful thing.

That is just way out there is left field. <rolls eyes>
 
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If he is suffering from delusions of grandeur, ah . . no thank you :)

Haven't seen him be his own Pope yet like those who denounce the Church. I have little doubt he really cares for the Church and Gods people. Who knows, with no authority of the Church behind him, it may be humbling. ;) Just think of all the taxpayer money that could be saved without a first lady entourage. He's definitly got the charisma to beat slick, and more importantly, the eithics. The only problem is there are to many anti-Catholic bigots in the country to ever vote for an ex priest. They would sooner join the Westborro Church than do that.
 
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