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It does seem strange that if a man is innocent, why would he not stand and fight, instead of giving up?
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the more i think about this the more i have to reach the personal conclusion that fr corapi is less than forthcoming
he never appeared to me to be the kind of man who would run from a fight if truth was on his side
let us hope the euteneur will follow the example and leave the priesthood also
honestly, all we the sheeple ask of the clergy is to bring a little bit of honesty and and simple honor to the cloth- and what do we get ?
bozo the clown, that is what
It does seem strange that if a man is innocent, why would he not stand and fight, instead of giving up?
Fr. Corapi: "Soft you; a word or two before you go"...
It has never been my intention to comment much on l'affaire Corapi. We simply don't know enough about the facts surrounding the case to comment intelligently about it. However, one theme that has run through the various communiques issued by the Corapi camp has been about the ecclesial process looking into the matter.
Essentially, and variously, the process has been described as lacking transparency, as being fundamentally flawed, and even "of the devil" and so on. While I don't know the facts of the case, I do have some familiarity with the process, and want to comment on it briefly. I do so out of concern over many of Corapi's "fans" who are now vilifying and demonizing "the bishops" and their process.
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Fr. Corapi: "Soft you; a word or two before you go"...
You don't know the man's heart, that he "considers it no longer worthy of respect..." Kinda judgmental, yes?
Religious, such as Franciscans, Jesuits, SOLT, etc., take three vows of poverty, chastity and obedience. Their vow of poverty means that their use of property is subject to the will of their superiors. The vow of chastity obliges them to celibacy and a chaste life. Their vow of obedience submits their daily activities to the direction of their superiors.
Which of these do you allege he has broken? Again, kinda judgmental, which in itself is breaking one of the ten on your part. But that's ok, huh?
Your posts continually carp with allegations that you know nothing about, personally, yet you continue to impute your characterizations to him. I would hate to be in any court where you are a jurist!
You're welcome.Thank you Michie for the link. Much needed by me.
If you essentially volunteer to go into marriage, why aren't you allowed to leave it? This isn't about volunteering a few hours for a community dinner. I think people are just worried that things may turn sour and he will bring a lot of people along for the ride. He brought a lot of people into the church and unfortunately if he were to start preaching against the church it's quit possible he would bring a lot of Catholics out of the church. I personally don't think he has any intentions of turning against the church. i think he's just rightfully upset over teh church's methods of dealing with such matters. I think he fully intends to continue in some sort of mission to save souls so to speak only as a sheepdog guards the flock rather than as a shepard guides the flock. He may be able to do a lot more in his new role than he could achieve as merely a preacher to Catholics. Too early for anyone to say for sure though.
-Matthew
He basically said that persons can know the faith thoroughly, and comprehend all mysteries, but if they fail to grow in self-knowledge and increase in virtue, all the knowledge of God in the world will not be a benefit to them. I missed the first few minutes, so I'm not aware how he opened his homily.
Virgil, you didn't respond as to why you continue to use the sock "Romanist?" I thought at first it was a joke, after we discussed it in another thread, where you said you had retired that account. Why would you want to cause confusion with our members?
I tried to find EWTN's homily Friday from Fr. Wade Menezes, but they haven't posted it yet. My instinctive feeling was that he had been informed about Fr. Corapi, for much of his sermon seemed to give indirect innuendos. It was excellent, and if they post it soon, I hope to share it with everyone.
He basically said that persons can know the faith thoroughly, and comprehend all mysteries, but if they fail to grow in self-knowledge and increase in virtue, all the knowledge of God in the world will not be a benefit to them. I missed the first few minutes, so I'm not aware how he opened his homily.
Fr. Corapi: "Soft you; a word or two before you go"...
It has never been my intention to comment much on l'affaire Corapi. We simply don't know enough about the facts surrounding the case to comment intelligently about it. However, one theme that has run through the various communiques issued by the Corapi camp has been about the ecclesial process looking into the matter.
Essentially, and variously, the process has been described as lacking transparency, as being fundamentally flawed, and even "of the devil" and so on. While I don't know the facts of the case, I do have some familiarity with the process, and want to comment on it briefly. I do so out of concern over many of Corapi's "fans" who are now vilifying and demonizing "the bishops" and their process.
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Fr. Corapi: "Soft you; a word or two before you go"...
thereselittleflower said:There is nothing virtuous about abandoning the Priesthood because of accusations by another or dissatisfaction with the internal process of the Church.
And speaking of psychological delusions.....thereselittleflower said:The more you attack me, the stronger I become.
Again, you pontificate without a shred of knowledge. Do you know for a certain fact that he has not petitioned the Holy See for laicization, or whether he plans to do so? All we have is an announcement giving his present intention. Nothing more! And how would you know whether or not the Magisterium laicizes 'rarely?' Source?The VOWS given in the SACRAMENT are part of SACRED TRADITION and are not of a changable nature, and one can only be released from the pristhood by the Pope which is rarely done. Even so, the indelible mark is present on the soul for all eterinty.
Isshinwhat said:Watch it, Barnabas... This is the internet and you're trying to bring balance and common sense to it. I'm pretty sure that causes earthquakes and tornadoes.
This is from the "Sheep dog" web-site:
The Church will conclude that I am not cooperating with the process because I refuse to give up all of my civil and human rights in order to hold harmless anyone who chooses to say defamatory and actionable things against me with no downside to them.
What "civil and human" rights is he referring to? Are they asking him to take a drug test and he is refusing? Is he referring to asking for (and being refused) a trial by jury regarding these charges? It's not like they're putting him in jail and not giving him medical treatment or something similar. I'm confused as to what civil/human rights he is being refused.
I cannot give a lengthy explanation of what has transpired, but I can tell you that the most likely outcome is that they leave me suspended indefinitely and just let me fade away. They cant prove Im guilty of the things alleged because Im not, and they cant prove Im innocent because that is simply illogical and impossible. All civilized societies know that. Certain leaders in the Catholic Church apparently do not.
1. The identity of the accuser is not revealed. You can guess, but you dont actually know. Nor are the exact allegations made known to you. Hence, you have an interesting situation of having to respond to an unknown accuser making unknown accusations (unknown to the accused and his counsel).
5. The accused and his counsel have no right to obtain and review any of the evidence against him.
6. The accused and his counsel are not provided the names of witnesses, nor are they permitted to cross-examine them.
I will not try to fight this irrational and unjust situation for the simple reason that I dont want to be placed in an adversarial posture against the Church.
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