Universalism

[LightSeaker]

never mind

 

[LightSeaker]

Do you think the devil will partake?

Yep!!!

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[LittleLambofJesus]

never mind

Oh.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7388371/#post52578597

 

[Hentenza]

Yep!!!

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LOL!!!! That's biblical.

 

[ohmi]

The same old mistakes, it ain't people that don't believe in God, it's God that doesn't believe in you


Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

A God who allows his beloved creation to suffer (eg. Holocaust) beyond imagination and without mercy could have indeed created the Universe. I just don't believe in a personal God that cares if kids get their heads chopped off. That's all.

threedog

I just hope they don't use a dull knife or sword on me

Revelation 20:4 And I saw Thrones and they are seated on them. And judgement was given to-them and to-the souls of the ones having been beheaded/pepelekis-menwn <3990> because of the testimony of Jesus and because of the Word of the God

 

[Soul Searcher]

LOL!!!! That's biblical.

It could be supported by the bible yes.

2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb forever and ever.

Does it mean every creature except Satan?

Perhaps [more likely] satan is not a creature at all but a state of mind that will perish during the second death. Or perhaps Satan is a creature doing the job that God gave him, to tempt, test, teach and destroy as needed. there are many possibilites. But there is one thing which is certian being that there can never be a time when there is no more suffering if any creature is still suffering at that time.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It could be supported by the bible yes.

2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb forever and ever.

Does it mean every creature except Satan?

Perhaps [more likely] satan is not a creature at all but a state of mind that will perish during the second death. Or perhaps Satan is a creature doing the job that God gave him, to tempt, test, teach and destroy as needed. there are many possibilites. But there is one thing which is certian being that there can never be a time when there is no more suffering if any creature is still suffering at that time.

Marvelling is an interesting word in the NT.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

2 Thessalonians 1:10 when He may be coming/elqh <2064> (5632) to be glorified in His saints, and to be marvelled/qaumasqhnai <2296> (5683) in all those having Faith that was believed the Testimony of us upon ye in the Day, that.

Revelation 17:8 The beast which thou perceived was and not is and is about to be ascending out of the abyss, and into perdition/ruin/loss to be going.
And shall be marveling/qaumasontai <2296> (5695) the ones dwelling upon the land, of not whom has been written the name on the Scrollet of The Life from foundation of world, beholding the beast that was, and not is, and shall be.

 

[A New Dawn]

LOL!!!! That's biblical.

It's Biblical that the devil will partake?

 

[A New Dawn]

A God who allows his beloved creation to suffer (eg. Holocaust) beyond imagination and without mercy could have indeed created the Universe. I just don't believe in a personal God that cares if kids get their heads chopped off. That's all.

threedog

I am unsure how this relates to my questioning that the atheist icon is the one that demonstrates intelligence.

 

[Hentenza]

It could be supported by the bible yes.

2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb forever and ever.

Does it mean every creature except Satan?

Perhaps [more likely] satan is not a creature at all but a state of mind that will perish during the second death. Or perhaps Satan is a creature doing the job that God gave him, to tempt, test, teach and destroy as needed. there are many possibilites. But there is one thing which is certian being that there can never be a time when there is no more suffering if any creature is still suffering at that time.

2Co 11 is referring to false apostles so you are using the verse out of context. There will be a time when all that believe (faith) will no longer suffer. As to those that chose not to accept the gift, the bible never claims that they will not suffer. Like CS Lewis so eloquently said, God will look at the believers telling God "thy will be done" and then God will look at the unbelievers and tell them "Thy will be done".

 

[Hentenza]

It's Biblical that the devil will partake?

Nope.

 

[LightSeaker]

Marvelling is an interesting word in the NT.
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In 2 Corinthians 11:14&#8230; with the way the word "marvel" is used by Paul, it's almost like he is saying, "It's no big surprise" that even Satan will be transformed into an angel of light

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[LittleLambofJesus]

In 2 Corinthians 11:14&#8230; with the way the word "marvel" is used by Paul, it's almost like he is saying, "It's no big surprise" that even Satan will be transformed into an angel of light

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I like the way he uses in Gala 1

Galatian 1:6 I am marvelling that thus swiftly ye are being translated from the calling of ye into a different Good-Message.
7 which is not another if no any are the ones disturbing ye and willing to pervert the Good-Message of the Christ.
8 But even ifever we, or a messenger out of heaven, should be messaging to ye beside which we well-messagizing to ye, anathema/anaqema <331> let him be.

 

[Soul Searcher]

2Co 11 is referring to false apostles so you are using the verse out of context. There will be a time when all that believe (faith) will no longer suffer. As to those that chose not to accept the gift, the bible never claims that they will not suffer. Like CS Lewis so eloquently said, God will look at the believers telling God "thy will be done" and then God will look at the unbelievers and tell them "Thy will be done".

Yes I know that it refers to false apostles and that it seems to mean that he can fool people into beleiving he is an angel of light. If fact he has fooled most Christains into beleiving exactly that [Lucifer ring a bell?]
What about the other verse I gave that says every creature will praise him? Is Satan a creature?

 

[Hentenza]

In 2 Corinthians 11:14… with the way the word "marvel" is used by Paul, it's almost like he is saying, "It's no big surprise" that even Satan will be transformed into an angel of light

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2 Cor 11:13-15
13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

 

[LightSeaker]

2Co 11 is referring to false apostles so you are using the verse out of context.

Your not reading the whole thing and as such your taking the verse out of context. True, 2 Co 11:14 is about false apostles. But it's about how even false apostles will transform into True Apostles of Christ. And in the same way...so will Satan ALSO be transformed into an Angel of Light.

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[LittleLambofJesus]

2 Cor 11:13-15
13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

He even has a "face"

Revelation 12:14 And were given the woman two wings of the eagle, the great, that she may be flying into the wilderness, into the place of her, the-where she is being nurtured there time and times and half-equal time from Face of the Serpent.

Reve 6:16 And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks "be falling upon us! and hide us! from Face of the One sitting upon the throne and from the wrath of the lamb-kin"

 

[Soul Searcher]

In 2 Corinthians 11:14… with the way the word "marvel" is used by Paul, it's almost like he is saying, "It's no big surprise" that even Satan will be transformed into an angel of light

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it is also interesting that Paul titled himself the chief of all sinners and was converted in a flash, not by his will, not by someone preaching to him, not by supposedly accepting a free gift but by the power of God. He gives us a very clear example that when God decides for ssomeone to come over they will do so even the chief of all sinners.

 

[Hentenza]

Yes I know that it refers to false apostles and that it seems to mean that he can fool people into beleiving he is an angel of light. If fact he has fooled most Christains into beleiving exactly that [Lucifer ring a bell?]
What about the other verse I gave that says every creature will praise him? Is Satan a creature?

Sure, but if all the creatures would actually do as they say then there would be no need for the lamb to open the scroll and pour the wrath, don't you think?