Universalism

[threedog]

The freedom to chose brings out the most incredible evil, but it gives God what He desires, hearts that freely chose Him. People mistake the warnings of hell as a threat. It isn't a threat it is a certainty, it is told to us so we know the results of our choice.

When you look at the world that God created for you and all the suffering...what makes you think that God loves you. Our price of pain and suffering is too high to fullfill the desires of God. Obviously, you have not suffered enough to appreciate what I am saying and real.

I am glad my father with all his weakness expressed a higher expression of love than what I read about God on this site. The freewill of man or the exsistence of man is a curse and not worth any person wanting to live forever with an imaginary God. The price is far too high. When we die all suffering ends forever...and God can find peace in our non existence. How can any God watch from above our incredible sins. Sick.


My question is why does God perpetuate mankind at our expense. New murderers are born everyday. What is the point. How much love does God need from us at our expense. How many more have to be born and torture to fullfill Gods desires. I don't believe that God has these desires...I believe you do.


You make no sense whatesoever. You believe your salvation and the freewill of man is worth a child's decapitation at the freewill of a human monster. Even God would agree there is no Glory in our creation. Read Genesis. Even agmonst his subordinates in heaven God could never feel good of what his creation has become. We are monsters...and we didn't create ourselves.


Would you want your kids to look up to someone like that in the earthly form? Say it.. We are monsters! Then think again who create us. I can prove we are monsters, can you prove otherwise? If you can't then what does that say about the way you believe about God? Don't think too hard...you might lose your faith.


Threedog

 

[timlamb]

When you look at the world that God created for you and all the suffering...what makes you think that God loves you. Our price of pain and suffering is too high to fullfill the desires of God. Obviously, you have not suffered enough to appreciate what I am saying and real.

I am glad my father with all his weakness expressed a higher expression of love than what I read about God on this site. The freewill of man or the exsistence of man is a curse and not worth any person wanting to live forever with an imaginary God. The price is far too high. When we die all suffering ends forever...and God can find peace in our non existence. How can any God watch from above our incredible sins. Sick.


My question is why does God perpetuate mankind at our expense. New murderers are born everyday. What is the point. How much love does God need from us at our expense. How many more have to be born and torture to fullfill Gods desires. I don't believe that God has these desires...I believe you do.


You make no sense whatesoever. You believe your salvation and the freewill of man is worth a child's decapitation at the freewill of a human monster. Even God would agree there is no Glory in our creation. Read Genesis. Even agmonst his subordinates in heaven God could never feel good of what his creation has become. We are monsters...and we didn't create ourselves.


Would you want your kids to look up to someone like that in the earthly form? Say it.. We are monsters! Then think again who create us. I can prove we are monsters, can you prove otherwise? If you can't then what does that say about the way you believe about God? Don't think too hard...you might lose your faith.


Threedog

I said I was done here but I must respond to this truly disturbing message.

Threedog, you carry a Christian emblem on your posts, but you don't sound like a believer. You are absolutely right, we are monsters, but you are wrong about who's fault it is. Have you seen what a nice home can become when it is used as a meth house? Many times the home must continue to be destroyed because it is so contaminated it cannot be made clean enough to live in. Man has done that to the earth.

And we have done the same to our selves, that is the evil of free choice. But there are truly beautiful people out there who have chosen Life, in Christ Jesus. This world hates those who love the Lord but they will have life forever and will not remember their suffering.

I don't understand God's plan but I do understand His promises. This world angers Him and will be destroyed and those who rebel against Him will be removed to make possible the restoration of God's creation, without evil, without corruption, without death or suffereing or tears.

Yes, God Loves us.

 

[Soul Searcher]

I don't understand God's plan but I do understand His promises. This world angers Him and will be destroyed and those who rebel against Him will be removed to make possible the restoration of God's creation, without evil, without corruption, without death or suffereing or tears.

Yes, God Loves us.

So are you now saying that there is no eternal suffering

Or did you forget about that part of your theology

 

[timlamb]

So are you now saying that there is no eternal suffering

Or did you forget about that part of your theology

I knew I'd wind up defending myself

"and those who rebel against Him will be removed to make possible the restoration of God's creation,"

Did you miss this part or just overlook it.

 

[threedog]

I said I was done here but I must respond to this truly disturbing message.

Threedog, you carry a Christian emblem on your posts, but you don't sound like a believer. You are absolutely right, we are monsters, but you are wrong about who's fault it is. Have you seen what a nice home can become when it is used as a meth house? Many times the home must continue to be destroyed because it is so contaminated it cannot be made clean enough to live in. Man has done that to the earth.

And we have done the same to our selves, that is the evil of free choice. But there are truly beautiful people out there who have chosen Life, in Christ Jesus. This world hates those who love the Lord but they will have life forever and will not remember their suffering.

I don't understand God's plan but I do understand His promises. This world angers Him and will be destroyed and those who rebel against Him will be removed to make possible the restoration of God's creation, without evil, without corruption, without death or suffereing or tears.

Yes, God Loves us.

I am not a believer anymore and I couldn't find the obvious way to take the Christian emblem off. Can you help? I know it is simple. I don't hate Christians...I mean what is there to hate if you are a good loving person. No big deal. I am trying to understand through a network of people how I was conned into believing in an imaginary Christian God. I understand now and enjoy debating various superstitions of the Bible.

For example, Most Christians believe God is all knowing. In Genesis 6:6 God regrets creating mankind because of his creation's capacity for horrific sin. God hates this sin so much he destroys all of mankind except for Noah and his family. Amazing if you believe it. So why would God create monsters and destroy it if he already knew the consequence of his creation? No master of the universe would do such a thing unless it was he was confused. What's the point? I don't believe God is that confused. I could go on and on...

Blind faith has great power.

What does it say about a God who has regret?...he must feel some responsiblity and can't be all knowing, otherwise he is very confused. How can you not be responsible for your own creation? And then when you give them freewill...they don't have the soul nor intellegence to govern their own moral behavior.

Society places a higher standard of responsiblity on us than Christians place on God. Truely amazing! If I create a product that exercises the great capacity to harm you..I am liable for damages regardless of their freewill capacity.

God wished he had never created man, so he can't have known ahead of time the consequences of his less than Godly creation. Some might call it evil to allow that evil to persist for so long.

My kids believe in Jesus and I don't teach them otherwise. What's the point. They must come to their own conclusions.

Finally, to my original post, you basically stated what I already know about your belief without addressing the serious nature of my questions and assertions. Very shallow indeed.


threedog

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

*snip* I am not a believer anymore and I couldn't find the obvious way to take the Christian emblem off. Can you help? I know it is simple. I don't hate Christians...I mean what is there to hate if you are a good loving person. No big deal. I am trying to understand through a network of people how I was conned into believing in an imaginary Christian God. I understand now and enjoy debating various superstitions of the Bible. .....................

threedog

What kind of emblem would you like to have?

 

[A New Dawn]

I am not a believer anymore and I couldn't find the obvious way to take the Christian emblem off. Can you help? I know it is simple. I don't hate Christians...I mean what is there to hate if you are a good loving person. No big deal. I am trying to understand through a network of people how I was conned into believing in an imaginary Christian God. I understand now and enjoy debating various superstitions of the Bible.

For example, Most Christians believe God is all knowing. In Genesis 6:6 God regrets creating mankind because of his creation's capacity for horrific sin. God hates this sin so much he destroys all of mankind except for Noah and his family. Amazing if you believe it. So why would God create monsters and destroy it if he already knew the consequence of his creation? No master of the universe would do such a thing unless it was he was confused. What's the point? I don't believe God is that confused. I could go on and on...

Blind faith has great power.

What does it say about a God who has regret?...he must feel some responsiblity and can't be all knowing, otherwise he is very confused. How can you not be responsible for your own creation? And then when you give them freewill...they don't have the soul nor intellegence to govern their own moral behavior.

Society places a higher standard of responsiblity on us than Christians place on God. Truely amazing! If I create a product that exercises the great capacity to harm you..I am liable for damages regardless of their freewill capacity.

God wished he had never created man, so he can't have known ahead of time the consequences of his less than Godly creation. Some might call it evil to allow that evil to persist for so long.

My kids believe in Jesus and I don't teach them otherwise. What's the point. They must come to their own conclusions.

Finally, to my original post, you basically stated what I already know about your belief without addressing the serious nature of my questions and assertions. Very shallow indeed.


threedog

I don't see where it says God regretted he created man. It says he was sorrowful about it, which only means that man's rebellion hurt Him. If He really regretted it, He'd have either not given them free will in the Garden of Eden, or He'd have destroyed everyone in the flood, including Noah and his family.

I am not a believer anymore and I couldn't find the obvious way to take the Christian emblem off.

If you go to your UserCP and look at the list of options on the left, click on Edit Your Details (the very first option). When you get to that page, in the very first section, the 3rd choice is to select the faith icon you wish to use. If you look at the drop down list, there are many choices to choose from.

 

[threedog]

What kind of emblem would you like to have?

Intelligent..did I spell it right?

 

[Hentenza]

Intelligent..did I spell it right?

Then you already have it.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Intelligent..did I spell it right?

The atheist emblem might work then

 

[A New Dawn]

The atheist emblem might work then

 

[A New Dawn]

threedog, I put the instructions for changing your icon in my post above.

 

[Soul Searcher]

I knew I'd wind up defending myself

"and those who rebel against Him will be removed to make possible the restoration of God's creation,"

Did you miss this part or just overlook it.

You said there will be no more suffering, but if there is eternal suffering then this is not a true statement as there will always be suffering. I think what you mean is that you will not suffer so it is all good never mind the billions who you believe won't be so lucky.

I still am wondering how you get that they will be in a different place as well seeing as how the bible states that the torment occurs in the presence of the lamb and the holy angels. Is it only the unsaved that spend time with God, the Lamb the Holy angels while certian believers are given a quiet little corner somewhere? Or is it just that your ideas don't gell with what is written?

 

[Soul Searcher]

The atheist emblem might work then

Referring to the brain that is the atheist symbol no doubt.

 

[Hentenza]

You said there will be no more suffering, but if there is eternal suffering then this is not a true statement as there will always be suffering. I think what you mean is that you will not suffer so it is all good never mind the billions who you believe won't be so lucky.

It is free gift. All can partake and all they have to do is accept the gift. It really can't get any easier than that.

 

[Soul Searcher]

It is a free gift to all and all will partake. It truly doesn't get any better than this

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It is free gift. All can partake and all they have to do is accept the gift. It really can't get any easier than that.

We just have to endure until the LORD is finished with His work

Matt 10:22 And ye shall be being hated by all thru the Name of Me. The one yet enduring into a-finish/teloV <5056>, this one shall be being saved/swqhsetai <4982> (5701) [Daniel 12:1/Reve 15,16]

Romans 10:13 For all who ever should be calling upon the Name of Lord, shall be being saved/swqhsetai <4982> (5701).

 

[Hentenza]

It is a free gift to all and all will partake. It truly doesn't get any better than this

Do you think the devil will partake?

 

[threedog]

A God who allows his beloved creation to suffer (eg. Holocaust) beyond imagination and without mercy could have indeed created the Universe. I just don't believe in a personal God that cares if kids get their heads chopped off. That's all.

threedog

 

[LightSeaker]

I knew I'd wind up defending myself

Funny.

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