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If it does...than Infinate Love doesn't exist.But that's just it, eternal wrath does exist.
What is it about "Holyness" that sets a person or God apart? Your not saying.
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You guys leave out any verse that doesn't have love and forgivness in it and accuse us of making God small. You short change His character when you leave out that He is a just God.
So you are saying if I don't follow Jesus and get saved then I will just die and be done with it when I die? Sweet! That beats going to hell. That means I can do whatever I want and sin my butt off and the only thing will happen when I die is .... nothing.
Why be saved? Who cares about immortality? Where is your relationship with the Father?Then why even be saved? Who cares about immortality? I just don't want eternal torment. If I can get away with just being done then that doesn't sound bad at all.
So God's ultimate punishment is only death? Bwhahahaha! I would think that he could do better than that. Even man has the death penalty. Death is easy. Life is hard.
UR's think that ALL will be brought to salvation? Even horrible mass murderers and rapists? Wow. That's an amazing God who would allow them into Heaven.
If everyone will be brought to salvation then why preach the good news at all? Just to make people all giddy and jolly?
The only reason I follow God's commandments and try my best to believe in his son Jesus is to get out of hell. If it were not for that then I probably wouldn't bother with it at all.
Here JESUS said this:
Luke 16:19-28 (English-NIV)
19 There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day.
20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores
21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried.
23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
24 So he called to him, `Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.
25 But Abraham replied, Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.
27 He answered, `Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house,
28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.
Yes, the parable of Abraham's Bosom.
All about God taking the rule of the Kingdom from Judah and giving it to the Gentiles... Lazarus.
Look, Jesus said the Bible is so simple that a Child can understant it. It doesn't take a genious to understand that the rich man was in HELL and Lazarus was in heaven and he was begging him for a drop of water because hell is hot. He also didn't want his brothers to come to hell because it sucked.
hmm well I think he is more concerned about being Just then the "best punisher".So God's ultimate punishment is only death? Bwhahahaha! I would think that he could do better than that. Even man has the death penalty. Death is easy. Life is hard.
he also said this...Here JESUS said this:
Luke 16:19-28 (English-NIV)
19 There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day.
20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores
21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried.
23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
24 So he called to him, `Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.
25 But Abraham replied, Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.
27 He answered, `Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house,
28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.
You say it's easier for me.. It wasnt an easy conclusion to come to, because I like everyone else was taught Hell was eternal. It's something I wrestled with for months, just like other people who've walked down this road. However you have to look at the translation of the word in question and which would be the greek word Aion and go through it and study it out.
Let me ask you all these questions...
Why is it so threatening to you to tell people about Universal Reconciliation ? I want to hear the heart of those opposing it's what the core issue is.
I would also ask to those violently opposing it have you actually looked into it for youself and formed your own conclusions?
How do you know that your so right and we're so wrong, and how do you know it ?
What happens if say you're right and we're wrong, when (as I've said before) none of us here will get to make those decisions anyways, does it even matter ?
you realize that the first commandment is to love God with all of your heart and soul?just because they will eventually be brought inUR's think that ALL will be brought to salvation? Even horrible mass murderers and rapists? Wow. That's an amazing God who would allow them into Heaven.
doesn't mean that they wont pay the uttermost farthing for their crimesif you were walking with your friend and saw a large hole where he could fall and injure himself would you tell him even though the injury would not kill him?If everyone will be brought to salvation then why preach the good news at all? Just to make people all giddy and jolly?
The only reason I follow God's commandments and try my best to believe in his son Jesus is to get out of hell. If it were not for that then I probably wouldn't bother with it at all.
and which curse Mr. Lamb, under the Mosaic law condemned the sinner to eternal damnation?I found this amazing verse. The OT is full of foreshadowing, where something really happens but is also a fore telling of future events. This from Deuteronomy 30 if the salvation story in a nutshell:
11"For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach.Chose life this day, that you may live in the Land God promised.
12"It is not in heaven, that you should say, 'Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?'
13"Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, 'Who will cross the sea for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?'
14"But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it. Choose Life
15"See, I have set before you today life and prosperity, and death and adversity;
16in that I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways and to keep His commandments and His statutes and His judgments, that you may live and multiply, and that the LORD your God may bless you in the land where you are entering to possess it.
17"But if your heart turns away and you will not obey, but are drawn away and worship other gods and serve them,
18I declare to you today that you shall surely perish. You will not prolong your days in the land where you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess it.
19"I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants, 20by loving the LORD your God, by obeying His voice, and by holding fast to Him; for this is your life and the length of your days, that you may live in the land which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them."
well I don't belve that you are and even if you do God will execute righteous judgment and you would not be there forever.Well, crap! I guess I'm screwed and going to hell.
Are a tall building and a tall man the same size?First, let's get some wording straightened out. Hell is not eternal in the sense that Hell does what Hell has been doing for millenia. Hell gets tossed in the lake of fire, along with Death, along with the false prophet, satan and those not found in the Lambs book of Life. Hell has been emptied out and no longer holds a power.
As you want to look at the translation of the word Aion and presume to think that it really does'nt have an eternal quantitiveness to it, one needs to remember that Aion and some of its derivitatives also ascribe the eternal quantitativeness of God.
I don't think you read it or you wouldn't have said such a foolish thing. This is not the law of Moses, read it:and which curse Mr. Lamb, under the Mosaic law condemned the sinner to eternal damnation?
What you are quotinmg here is a passage referring to the blessings and curses for Israel concerning the Law, which as we are later informed in the New Testament no one is capable of keeping.
I repeat my question, Mr. Lamb.and which curse Mr. Lamb, under the Mosaic law condemned the sinner to eternal damnation?
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