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When the last wicked person is dead, there will be no mortals that CAN die. Death is destroyed.
This day;Burned up (Mal.4:1-4).
What "day" is Mal.4:1 referring to?
Only the unrepentant.ClementofA said:Does "all the proud" refer to every proud person that ever lived? Or only some of them?
On THAT day? YES!ClementofA said:Does "burn them up" mean endless annihilation? No.
1 Cor 15:22-28 doesn't promise immortality to all people. Rev 21:5 is ONLY referring to those NOT found in Rev 21:8.Death isn't abolished till all the dead are made alive & nobody ever dies again, such as when all have immortality, as in 1 Cor.15:22-28, Rev.21:5.
On THAT day? YES!
NOT ONE Scripture mentions resurrection from 2nd death.
The dead aren't experiencing anything. It is the living that view the wicked with contempt, and shame. Again, you have been corrected on this already, and are merely being resistant to the truth.
1 Cor 15:22-28 doesn't promise immortality to all people. Rev 21:5 is ONLY referring to those NOT found in Rev 21:8.
No, it doesn't. Death is abolished when no one dies any more. It does NOT require those already dead to be brought back to life.The abolishing of death & making all new does (1 Cor.15:22-28; Rev.21:5).Dartman said:On THAT day? YES!
NOT ONE Scripture mentions resurrection from 2nd death.
Not at all. Obviously any of the viruses, and bacteria, and weeds, and other elements of the curse are not made new. Nor are every single life form that has ever lived since creation. Nor are those the Scriptures state repeatedly have been destroyed. Your theory is simply NOT stated, and you know it. Your bizarre twists of the text are simply not supported.Rev.21:5 makes no exceptions: all, not some.
Your twist of this text isn't an accurate reflection of the words in the text. Your addition of the phrase "to immortality" is in direct conflict with the rest of Scripture;ClementofA said:1 Cor.15:22-28 refers to those in Adam being made alive as Christ was, to immortality.
Not at all. Obviously any of the viruses, and bacteria, and weeds, and other elements of the curse are not made new. Nor are every single life form that has ever lived since creation. Nor are those the Scriptures state repeatedly have been destroyed. Your theory is simply NOT stated, and you know it. Your bizarre twists of the text are simply not supported.
Your twist of this text isn't an accurate reflection of the words in the text. Your addition of the phrase "to immortality" is in direct conflict with the rest of Scripture;
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
No, it doesn't. Death is abolished when no one dies any more. It does NOT require those already dead to be brought back to life.
Verse 8 excludes all the wicked. Verse 5 doesn't say ANYTHING about "things that are dead". You really have no point. You are desperately struggling, because you have adopted an unbiblical position.You were speaking of human beings, i.e. those in the lake of fire (Rev.21:8). You tried to exclude them from verse 5 where God says He is making "all" new. I simply pointed out that verse 5 did not exclude anyone.Dartman said:Not at all. Obviously any of the viruses, and bacteria, and weeds, and other elements of the curse are not made new. Nor are every single life form that has ever lived since creation. Nor are those the Scriptures state repeatedly have been destroyed. Your theory is simply NOT stated, and you know it. Your bizarre twists of the text are simply not supported.
You have quoted three statements taken out of context.ClementofA said:For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified." (1 Cor.15:22) Compare:
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creation: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. (2 Cor.5:17)
He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making all new!" (Rev.21:5a)
No, death is abolished BEFORE God becomes "all in all".Death is abolished when God becomes All "in" all (1 Cor.15:28). God isn't yet "in" ALL while this is still occurring:
And the devil who deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where [are] both the beast and the false prophet; and they shall be tormented day and night for the ages of ages. (Rev.20:10)
No, death is abolished BEFORE God becomes "all in all".
1 Cor 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
It is only AFTER "all things (including death) shall be subdued"! THEN Jesus turns the kingdom over to his God, and God is "all in all".
Verse 8 excludes all the wicked. Verse 5 doesn't say ANYTHING about "things that are dead". You really have no point. You are desperately struggling, because you have adopted an unbiblical position.
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You have quoted three statements taken out of context.
1 Cor 15:22 is merely talking about being resurrected ... either resurrection .... the Good = to life (like Jesus) .. the Bad = to "burned up", "ashes", "destruction", "shame", "everlasting contempt".
2 Cor 5:17 is talking specifically to the righteous, "in Christ", and is talking about NOW. It is NOT talking about being resurrected to immortality.
LOL .... it is YOUR assumption that God making all things new INCLUDES those that are dead!! "An assumption is not proof".You have assumed Rev.21:5, God making ALL new, doesn't include the dead or the living in the lake of fire. An assumption is not proof.
And it says "in Adam".Verse 22 also speaks of those "in Christ".Dartman said:You have quoted three statements taken out of context.
1 Cor 15:22 is merely talking about being resurrected ... either resurrection .... the Good = to life (like Jesus) .. the Bad = to "burned up", "ashes", "destruction", "shame", "everlasting contempt".
2 Cor 5:17 is talking specifically to the righteous, "in Christ", and is talking about NOW. It is NOT talking about being resurrected to immortality.
Rev 21:5 is talking about God renewing things, the heavens and the earth, taking away the curse, so there is no more pain, death, sorrow. It makes NO mention of making the dead new. The 2nd resurrection is done, and verse 8 SPECIFICALLY describes the end of the wicked.
So, the net result of ALL these posts is, you have failed to convince ANYONE. It is just as obvious now, as it was in the beginning of this thread, you have a tiny handful of texts, that you can twist so they POSSIBLY could mean a bit of support for your theory, but ONLY if the rest of Scripture is ignored.
22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified."
In doesn't say "by Christ" but IN Christ.
Yes, those that are disciples of Jesus have died to sin, and have put on "the new man" .... but they haven't been resurrected to immortality yet; 1 Cor 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at his coming,ClementofA said:Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creation: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. (2 Cor.5:17)
No, it doesn't. Death is abolished when no one dies any more. It does NOT require those already dead to be brought back to life.
And it says "in Adam".
We know "in Adam" means as a result of Adam's actions. The exact same is true of Jesus, as a result of Jesus' actions he was given the power to resurrect;
LOL .... it is YOUR assumption that God making all things new INCLUDES those that are dead!! "An assumption is not proof".
But even MORE conclusive, verses 7 and 8 spells out two different "rewards",
Rev 21:7-8 "He who overcomes shall inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son. 8 "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
So, not only is your theory NEVER stated in verse 5, BUT verses 7 and 8 prove beyond all doubt ... the ONLY ones that inherit those "new things", are those that overcome! By contrast all the sinners (listed in verse 8) ONLY have a part "in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH!
And still, you have not provided even a SHRED of proof that there is ANY cure for 2nd death.
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