Universalism VS. Scripture

ottaia · Oct 14, 2005

Ok, if it we are doing dueling proof texts, then I want to post my favorite! God approves of SWINGING! (And not the playground type!)

Deut 28:30 "Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her"
(Emphasis added just where ever! )

ballfan · Oct 14, 2005

It would seem that if you want a complete proof text the verses on judgement and the verses on salvation need to be considered together. If done so Dan's view prevails.

bloved · Oct 14, 2005

ottaia said:
Ok, if it we are doing dueling proof texts, then I want to post my favorite! God approves of SWINGING! (And not the playground type!)

Deut 28:30 "Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her"
(Emphasis added just where ever! )

Great one, Ottaia!

Being both biblical and literal could be so much fun!

I'll add this one:

8 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. 9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. - Psalm 137

God approves of KILLING YOUR ENEMIES' CHILDREN!

Would anyone else like to contribute to "the letter of the law"?

bloved

Lilly of the Valley · Oct 14, 2005

bloved said:
Great one, Ottaia!

Being both biblical and literal could be so much fun!

I'll add this one:

8 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. 9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. - Psalm 137

God approves of KILLING YOUR ENEMIES' CHILDREN!

bloved

You must think of the times/laws and the wicked nations that needed judgement and know the full story rather than take random verses out of context.

Scholar in training · Oct 14, 2005

bloved said:
Would anyone else like to contribute to "the letter of the law"?

Not where prooftexts are concerned.

bloved · Oct 14, 2005

Lilly of the Valley said:
You must think of the times/laws and the wicked nations that needed judgement and know the full story rather than take random verses out of context.

I agree with you, Lilly. But many others would not. They simply post their "proof text" to prove their point as if, just because the scriptures say a thing, that settles a thing, requiring no further interpretation.

So, to continue in that tradition, here is another:

"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." - Luke 14:26

Here we see that Jesus teaches His disciples to hate their families. It is there in black and white (or rather red and white), so it must be true, right?

bloved

Mailman Dan · Oct 15, 2005

Fine Dan, you are right. I have picked and chosen what I want to believe. Have fun in Heaven without me. You can look down and send me a raspberry.

Honest question...

Do you believe anyone here thinks like that? As I stated many times, anyone who places their faith in Christ alone I believe to be a fellow believer. We can have disagreements, and I do consider this doctrine serious enough to discuss it. Why would I speand time here showing scriptures to support the doctrine, if I didn't have a fear for non-believers? I don't relish the idea of people going to hell, or plan to make faces at them from far off. (Although, according to the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, I guess I could)

Ok, if it we are doing dueling proof texts, then I want to post my favorite! God approves of SWINGING!

Ouch...way over the line mine. You know what the rest of the text says.

You may have noticed that most of us in non fundimentalist of evangelical denoms refer to themes and lessons rather then proof texts, it is not because we disregard scripture, it is because we take a more holistic view.

Honest question...

Do you believe the bible was only ment to be helpful to people with a degree in history, and first read Wayne Grudem's Systematic Theology all the way through? (thats one big book)

If that is the case, there are many that teach the doctrine of hell, based on both scriptures and the text they were written. Those in high places of several different Christian based religions teach it, many holding several degrees. (do others teach that inside your own religion?)

Is it possibile to be a "REV." with belief that 40% of the Canon can't be trusted?

BTW, I'd like to see some web site on the subject if you have any links. I'd like to know the grounds people have for stating them untrustworthy.

Dan~~~>thinks it's an important doctrine to study (because someone's going to be wrong, and I hope it's me)

ottaia · Oct 15, 2005

Mailman Dan said:
Honest question...

Do you believe anyone here thinks like that? As I stated many times, anyone who places their faith in Christ alone I believe to be a fellow believer.

Only speaking for myself, that is the way it apprears. If that is not your intention, then maybe you need to reconsider your posting style.

Why would I speand time here showing scriptures to support the doctrine, if I didn't have a fear for non-believers?

Part of what I was doing with the scripture quote I put down was trying to give you an object lesson in proof-text. When taken out of context, you can make the scripture say anything. Please take the time to explain why you are using the proof-text. Also be aware of how you are being misunderstood in your posts. If we have difficulty in understanding the written word when we are contemporaries and using the same language, how much larger and ambiguous the problem when we are dealing with translations and interpretations.

I don't relish the idea of people going to hell, or plan to make faces at them from far off. (Although, according to the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, I guess I could)

Again, from what I read in your posts, it seems as if you would enjoy making faces. Again, if this is not the image you wish to project, you may want to consider how you come across.

Do you believe the bible was only ment to be helpful to people with a degree in history, and first read Wayne Grudem's Systematic Theology all the way through? (thats one big book)

That is why there are scholars.

If that is the case, there are many that teach the doctrine of hell, based on both scriptures and the text they were written. Those in high places of several different Christian based religions teach it, many holding several degrees. (do others teach that inside your own religion?)

We trust different scholars.

Is it possibile to be a "REV." with belief that 40% of the Canon can't be trusted?

No, you are right. I trust the scriptures, I just don't think we do the scriptures a service when things that were meant to be taken metaphorically are taken literally.

Rev. Smith · Oct 16, 2005

Mailman Dan said:
Honest question...

Do you believe the bible was only ment to be helpful to people with a degree in history, and first read Wayne Grudem's Systematic Theology all the way through? (thats one big book)

If that is the case, there are many that teach the doctrine of hell, based on both scriptures and the text they were written. Those in high places of several different Christian based religions teach it, many holding several degrees. (do others teach that inside your own religion?)

Is it possibile to be a "REV." with belief that 40% of the Canon can't be trusted?

Dan~~~>thinks it's an important doctrine to study (because someone's going to be wrong, and I hope it's me)

Dan -you manged to miss the point compleatly, my point was not that 40% of the canon was wrong, but that proof-texting can lead to silly propositions.

Chrysalis Kat · Oct 16, 2005

Rev. Smith said:
Dan -you manged to miss the point compleatly, my point was not that 40% of the canon was wrong, but that proof-texting can lead to silly propositions.

And.... I can understand how a Rev. would put their faith in God and in their daily walk than in books about other people's understandings about their relationship to God.
Now... a robot couldn't do this but an intelligent,thinking, feeling, faithfilled Rev certainly could.

ballfan · Oct 16, 2005

Rev. Smith said:
Dan -you manged to miss the point compleatly, my point was not that 40% of the canon was wrong, but that proof-texting can lead to silly propositions.

And it can lead to the correct proposition too.

Rev. Smith · Oct 17, 2005

ballfan said:
And it can lead to the correct proposition too.

But ought we put our faith in a defective tool? If proof texting can be used to demonstrate error, and can likewise be used to demonstrate sound doctrine then it is, at best, a flawed tool.

Would you retain a hammer that sometimes drove the nail, and somtimes turned to rubber and bounced off? How long would you keep your car if it sometimes veered off in directions you didn't want to go?

While I know that there is a strong anti-theological streak out there in a lot of evangelical America (and some of that suspicion is merited), the advantage of the theological method* is that it allows for far less error, and the arguments are clearly and honestly identified.

*(holistic review of scriptural themes with referance to texts that both support and disavow the propostiion and logical argument supporting the proposition, all of which is peer reviewed by Church leaders and elders)

The Julikenz · Oct 17, 2005

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The OP [shortened ]:

Universalism VS. Scripture

Why doesn't scripture agree with the teaching that everyone goes to heaven?

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ballfan · Oct 17, 2005

Rev. Smith said:
But ought we put our faith in a defective tool? If proof texting can be used to demonstrate error, and can likewise be used to demonstrate sound doctrine then it is, at best, a flawed tool.

Would you retain a hammer that sometimes drove the nail, and somtimes turned to rubber and bounced off? How long would you keep your car if it sometimes veered off in directions you didn't want to go?

While I know that there is a strong anti-theological streak out there in a lot of evangelical America (and some of that suspicion is merited), the advantage of the theological method* is that it allows for far less error, and the arguments are clearly and honestly identified.

*(holistic review of scriptural themes with referance to texts that both support and disavow the propostiion and logical argument supporting the proposition, all of which is peer reviewed by Church leaders and elders)

Its not a defective tool at all. Dan seems to be using it correctly. Others seem to not be doing so. Its like they're using your "hammer" for a screwdriver.

bloved · Oct 17, 2005

>Why doesn't scripture agree with the teaching that everyone goes to heaven?

Perhaps it is because the focus of the scriptures is not to get us out of hell and into heaven, but to get heaven into us. I'm not convinced that it is God's will that everyone go to a literal place called heaven. But I am convinced that God is good, that He has good will towards all, and that He will someday be all in all. What that will look like remains to be seen. Nevertheless, the concept that all will be blessed and consumed into God is a repeating theme through the whole Bible:

"Jesus Christ, the Savior of All" Scriptures
From the Old Testament:

I will bless those who bless you, and the one who curses you I will curse; and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed. - Genesis 12:3

All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the LORD; and all the families of the nations shall worship before him. - Psalms 22:27

To him, indeed, shall all who sleep in the earth bow down; before him shall bow all who go down to the dust, and I shall live for him. - Psalms 22:29

All the nations you have made shall come and bow down before you, O Lord, and shall glorify your name. - Psalms 86:9

The LORD is good to all, and his compassion is over all that he has made. - Psalms 145:9

My mouth will speak the praise of the LORD, and all flesh will bless his holy name forever and ever. - Psalms 145:21

Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. By myself I have sworn, from my mouth has gone forth in righteousness a word that shall not return: "To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear." - Isaiah 45:22,23

For I know their works and their thoughts, and I am coming to gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come and shall see my glory. From new moon to new moon, and from sabbath to sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, says the LORD. - Isaiah 66:18,23

For the Lord will not reject forever. Although he causes grief, he will have compassion according to the abundance of his steadfast love. - Lamentations 3:31,32

See, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh; is anything too hard for me? - Jeremiah 32:27

From the New Testament:

Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. - John 3:17

And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. - John 6:39

And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself. - John 12:32

Since you have given him authority over all people, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. - John 17:2

For In him we live and move and have our being; as even some of your own poets have said, For we too are his offspring. - Acts 17:28

Since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. - Romans 3:23,24

For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. - Romans 5:6

But God proves his love for us in that while we still were sinners Christ died for us. - Romans 5:8

For if while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more surely, having been reconciled, will we be saved by his life. - Romans 5:10.

But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died through the one mans trespass, much more surely have the grace of God and the free gift in the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abounded for the many. - Romans 5:15

Therefore just as one mans trespass led to condemnation for all, so one mans act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all. For just as by the one mans disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one mans obedience the many will be made righteous. - Romans 5:18,19

For the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and will obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. - Romans 8:20,21

We know that all things work together for good for those who love God, who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn within a large family. - Romans 8:28,29

If God is for us, who is against us? - Romans 8:31

So it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God who shows mercy. - Romans 9:16

For God has imprisoned all in disobedience so that he may be merciful to all. - Romans 11:32

For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be the glory forever. Amen. - Romans 11:36

All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting the message of reconciliation to us. - 2 Corinthians 5:18,19

In Christ we have also obtained an inheritance, having been destined according to the purpose of him who accomplishes all things according to his counsel and will. - Ephesians 1:11

One God and Father of all, who is above all and through all and in all. - Ephesians 4:6

He who descended is the same one who ascended far above all the heavens, so that he might fill all things. - Ephesians 4:10

Therefore God also highly exalted him and gave him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bend, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. - Philippians 2:9-11

And through him God was pleased to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, by making peace through the blood of his cross. - Colossians 1:19,20

In that renewal there is no longer Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and free; but Christ is all and in all! - Colossians 3:11

[God,] who desires everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God; there is also one mediator between God and humankind, Christ Jesus, himself human, who gave himself a ransom for all--this was attested at the right time. - 1 Timothy 2:4-6

For to this end we toil and struggle, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe. - 1 Timothy 4:10

For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all. - Titus 2:11

But we do see Jesus, who for a little while was made lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone. - Hebrews 2:9

For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, in order to bring you to God. He was put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit. - 1 Peter 3:18

And we have seen and do testify that the Father has sent his Son as the Savior of the world. - 1 John 4:14

Blessings in Christ to all.

bloved

ballfan · Oct 17, 2005

And a few more verses to make things more complete.

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Charlie V · Oct 17, 2005

ballfan said:
And a few more verses to make things more complete.

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Except the word "condemned" doesn't mean "sent to the flames of hell." The Bible even tells us that Jesus was condemned, by Pontius Pilate.

And the word "already" doesn't mean "after the point of death, until forever more." The word already means "right now."

One verse earlier, it says: "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

ballfan said:
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Regarding the second death and the book of life, JW Hansen DD wrote:

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]THE SECOND DEATH.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"But the fearful, ant unbelieving, and the; abominable, and murderer, and whoremonger, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death."--Rev. xxi:8[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand befgore God'; and the; books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in those books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead that were in them, and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."--Rev. xx:12-14.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Popularly "hell" and the "lake of fire and brimstone" are the same thing; but it is seen, as we read the description in Revelation, that they are entirely different. In chap. xx, verses 13 and 14, it is said that "death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]There are four opinions as to what the second death is. 1. Some suppose it refers to those who, having once been dead in trespasses and sins, have become quickened into newness of life, and then have returned to their wicked ways. 2. Others apply it to the apostasy of the Christian church. 3. Others to the second destruction or death of the Jewish people, which soon occurred. 4. Others refer it to the endless torment of the soul after death.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This last view is evidently incorrect, for a man's death in trespasses and sins is the first death, the dissolution of the body is the second death, and the endless torment of the soul would be the third death, if the term death were allowable. But it bears no resemblance to death, and if such a fate were in store for any it could not be called death.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The first, second, or third opinion may be adopted. Jude describes those who were "twice dead, plucked up by the roots." Such are all who have once been good, and who have fallen into evil ways.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]We favor the first or third view indicated above; but whichever view we take, the popular one has no warrant in the language employed.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The careful reader of the book of Revelation will see that this second death is a temporal destruction to befall the Jewish nation soon after the book was written. The Apocalypse was written just before Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans. It had once before been laid waste. The Jewish nation had lost its national life, and now it was to pass through a similar experience, undergo a second death, which it did when Titus (A.D.70) overwhelmed the people, and inflicted national death on the Jews. The first death lasted seventy years, the captivity in Babylon; the second has lasted now eighteen centuries, and justifies the term everlasting.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The first death is described by the prophet Ezekiel, chap. xxxvii:12-14: "Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God: Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves. And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land; then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord."[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The second death was when the Jews were again extinguished as a nation. The revelator declares it was to be very soon.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"And behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly."--Rev. xxii"12,20.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Jesus thus announces the same event: "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."--Matt. xxiv:30.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]John says: "Behold, he cometh with clouds;" Jesus says: "The Son of man cometh in the clouds of heaven;" John: "And all the kindred of the earth shall wail because of him;" Jesus: "And then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn."[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In Rev. xxi:8, the same idea is taught. "The fearful, unbelieving," etc., are to be burned in "the lake of fire, and this is the second death." The lake of fire denotes the fearful judgments of those days during which the Jews experienced their second death. Or, it may be used as a figure, and denote the idea marked "1" above.
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Charlie V · Oct 17, 2005

bloved said:
>Why doesn't scripture agree with the teaching that everyone goes to heaven?

Perhaps it is because the focus of the scriptures is not to get us out of hell and into heaven, but to get heaven into us. I'm not convinced that it is God's will that everyone go to a literal place called heaven. But I am convinced that God is good, that He has good will towards all, and that He will someday be all in all. What that will look like remains to be seen. Nevertheless, the concept that all will be blessed and consumed into God is a repeating theme through the whole Bible:

"Jesus Christ, the Savior of All" Scriptures
From the Old Testament:

I will bless those who bless you, and the one who curses you I will curse; and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed. - Genesis 12:3

All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the LORD; and all the families of the nations shall worship before him. - Psalms 22:27

To him, indeed, shall all who sleep in the earth bow down; before him shall bow all who go down to the dust, and I shall live for him. - Psalms 22:29

All the nations you have made shall come and bow down before you, O Lord, and shall glorify your name. - Psalms 86:9

The LORD is good to all, and his compassion is over all that he has made. - Psalms 145:9

My mouth will speak the praise of the LORD, and all flesh will bless his holy name forever and ever. - Psalms 145:21

Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. By myself I have sworn, from my mouth has gone forth in righteousness a word that shall not return: "To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear." - Isaiah 45:22,23

For I know their works and their thoughts, and I am coming to gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come and shall see my glory. From new moon to new moon, and from sabbath to sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, says the LORD. - Isaiah 66:18,23

For the Lord will not reject forever. Although he causes grief, he will have compassion according to the abundance of his steadfast love. - Lamentations 3:31,32

See, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh; is anything too hard for me? - Jeremiah 32:27

From the New Testament:

Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. - John 3:17

And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. - John 6:39

And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself. - John 12:32

Since you have given him authority over all people, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. - John 17:2

For In him we live and move and have our being; as even some of your own poets have said, For we too are his offspring. - Acts 17:28

Since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. - Romans 3:23,24

For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. - Romans 5:6

But God proves his love for us in that while we still were sinners Christ died for us. - Romans 5:8

For if while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more surely, having been reconciled, will we be saved by his life. - Romans 5:10.

But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died through the one mans trespass, much more surely have the grace of God and the free gift in the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abounded for the many. - Romans 5:15

Therefore just as one mans trespass led to condemnation for all, so one mans act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all. For just as by the one mans disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one mans obedience the many will be made righteous. - Romans 5:18,19

For the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and will obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. - Romans 8:20,21

We know that all things work together for good for those who love God, who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn within a large family. - Romans 8:28,29

If God is for us, who is against us? - Romans 8:31

So it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God who shows mercy. - Romans 9:16

For God has imprisoned all in disobedience so that he may be merciful to all. - Romans 11:32

For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be the glory forever. Amen. - Romans 11:36

All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting the message of reconciliation to us. - 2 Corinthians 5:18,19

In Christ we have also obtained an inheritance, having been destined according to the purpose of him who accomplishes all things according to his counsel and will. - Ephesians 1:11

One God and Father of all, who is above all and through all and in all. - Ephesians 4:6

He who descended is the same one who ascended far above all the heavens, so that he might fill all things. - Ephesians 4:10

Therefore God also highly exalted him and gave him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bend, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. - Philippians 2:9-11

And through him God was pleased to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, by making peace through the blood of his cross. - Colossians 1:19,20

In that renewal there is no longer Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and free; but Christ is all and in all! - Colossians 3:11

[God,] who desires everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God; there is also one mediator between God and humankind, Christ Jesus, himself human, who gave himself a ransom for all--this was attested at the right time. - 1 Timothy 2:4-6

For to this end we toil and struggle, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe. - 1 Timothy 4:10

For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all. - Titus 2:11

But we do see Jesus, who for a little while was made lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone. - Hebrews 2:9

For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, in order to bring you to God. He was put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit. - 1 Peter 3:18

And we have seen and do testify that the Father has sent his Son as the Savior of the world. - 1 John 4:14

Blessings in Christ to all.

bloved

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to bloved again.

Charlie

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Charlie V said:
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to bloved again.

I can tell that you enjoy thick peanut butter.

flautist · Oct 17, 2005

Charlie V said:
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to bloved again.

Charlie

I got him covered, Charlie.

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