Universal Resurrection

sovereigngrace said:

Exactly! They are brought to life again at the second coming to receive their awful sentence.

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But this is the problem that needs a figurative or spiritual explanation.

In Revelation 20:5 the dead<3498> live<326> after the 1,000 years. In Revelation 20:12 the dead<3498> are at the GWTJ.

It seems to me that dead<3498> is the opposite of live<326>. So how can those at the GWTJ be both dead<3498> and live<326> at the same time?

ewq1938 said:

We are told they will have a resurrection:

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

This says they will live again after the thousand years is finished so that does in fact happen.

The Greek word used:

G326
ἀναζάω
anazaō
an-ad-zah'-o
From G303 and G2198; to recover life (literally or figuratively): - (be a-) live again, revive.
Total KJV occurrences: 5

Same exact word that is used here:

Luk 15:32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

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I agree they lived not again. What happens at the GWT is the point, if they were to ever live again.

Many are still in the book of life. They have the ability to still live in a new physical incorruptible body. The verse does not claim they will definitely live again. The emphasis was they will not live again..... after the 1000 years and standing dead before God, there is the ability to live again. John never claims any choose life. I think many would agree, they never choose life.

There is a contrast between billions rebelling who are alive who are instantly consumed by fire, and those dead since Adam who are still named in the Lamb's book of life, who do choose life after thousands of years in sheol.

The problem is we are only told the dead are still cast into the Lake of Fire. Why does God allow John to keep us from knowing if any do choose life?

We cannot be dogmatic that none do or do not. It is not called a resurrection for a reason. It may be implied also for a reason, but cannot be dogmatic either way.

"Books were opened; and another book was opened, the Book of Life; and the dead were judged from what was written in the books, according to what they had done."

Many claim the Lamb's book of life is opened to show their name missing. That cannot be. The book was only opened for editing at the 7th Seal. All names were always there. It is opened to remove them. Not because of their works. This is the last time all are given a chance to apply the Atonement. The million dollar question is: Will any change their mind about the Atonement? If they remain firm in rejection, then their name is removed, and they never come to life. There is no indication they are given life until after that choice is confirmed. To remain in the Lamb's book of life is to recieve the resurrection of life, not prior to the actual choice though. They are dead and remain dead, if their name is then removed.

It is unreasonable for many to assume this includes the church, why? The church has been in Paradise since the Cross. You would have to deny the physical resurrection of Jesus Christ Himself. You would have to deny that we are citizens of Paradise to think we, the church are dead until the GWT. Even if the GWT, and it is not, was 1000 years ahead of schedule, the church is not present, nor any alive on earth are present at the GWT.

The living are living. The dead are dead. That sounds obvious, but many claim the living are dead. And many dead are considered living.

BTW: "The sea gave up the dead in it;"

The souls are in sheol or Death. This phrase indicates a body is joined with a soul. Bodies would be in the "sea". The body is still dead, even if reconstituted. It is still corruptible and not living. Not a full resurrection, but only brought back to a state of living death. Like those brought back, not by the voice of Jesus Christ, but as a miracle of having the opportunity to continue life as we know it. Except at the GWT all are cast into the Lake of Fire, even it seems, bodily forever. Even a corruptible body need not be consumed if torment is eternal.

The problem is people keep thinking the First Resurrection is about time and a when. It is NOT! The First birth, death, and resurrection is Physical. That is what Jesus explained to Nicodemus in John 3. Those who take part in a first resurrection will never face a second death. Lazarus was physically resurrected by the voice of Jesus Christ. The hour of resurrection had already started at that point. The hour of resurrection will stop at the GWT. After the last name is removed, by choice, Death will be defeated once and for all.

Those who use the verse to declare it all happens only at the Second Coming do not rightly divide up time. They cram it all into a black hole where time is not relative to them, but only a singularity.

grafted branch said:

But this is the problem that needs a figurative or spiritual explanation.

In Revelation 20:5 the dead<3498> live<326> after the 1,000 years. In Revelation 20:12 the dead<3498> are at the GWTJ.

It seems to me that dead<3498> is the opposite of live<326>. So how can those at the GWTJ be both dead<3498> and live<326> at the same time?

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IMO, it simply means the dead are physically raised back to life, thus they live again because they are bodily raised from the dead.

What I basically see some of this meaning is this. Initially there is one group of the physically dead that comprise of both the saved and the lost. At the beginning of the thousand years the saved portion of the dead rise first, thus the first resurrection.

The remainder of the dead, the lost, they don't rise until after the thousand years finish first. They rise at the end of satan's little season, thus they rise during the great white throne judgment. And since the first resurrection obviously precedes the great white throne judgment, anyone that rises in the first resurrection don't also rise in the resurrection after satan's little season, the great white throne judgment. This resurrection is a bodily resurrection, as is the first resurrection, though Amils obviously disagree with the latter.

It only stands to reason that if the rest of the dead don't live again until after the thousand years finish, some of the dead already live again before that time, meaning those of the first resurrection.

But in what sense do they live again? Bodily or spiritually? The fact the first resurrection involves those that have been literally physically martyred, how can it not be bodily? What would be the point of living again, spiritually, after one had physically died, yet prior to their bodily resurrection? Anything spiritual like that only makes sense in this life while still physically alive on earth , IMO.

grafted branch said:

But this is the problem that needs a figurative or spiritual explanation.

In Revelation 20:5 the dead<3498> live<326> after the 1,000 years. In Revelation 20:12 the dead<3498> are at the GWTJ.

It seems to me that dead<3498> is the opposite of live<326>. So how can those at the GWTJ be both dead<3498> and live<326> at the same time?

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It says they lived not.

You left out the word "not". That is your physical explanation. Nothing figurative or "spiritual" necessary.

There is no guarantee they live again. The guarantee is they live not. A person's future choice is not a guarantee. Why is it a choice and not a definite?

Most agree a resurrection is implied, but the implication can only be based on a choice. John claims all the dead are still cast into the lake of fire. The obvious resurrection is missing but the implied choice can only still be assumed. There is no given resurrection in the verses. Unless you accept bodies are walking around in sheol today, it is just the soul in sheol until perhaps a body is attached at the GWT. It is not an incorruptible sin free body. That is what a resurrection would entail. They are not "living" on earth, but dead in the Lake of Fire.

Timtofly said:

There is no guarantee they live again. The guarantee is they live not. A person's future choice is not a guarantee. Why is it a choice and not a definite?

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Can't say I ever looked at that way myself. I grasp what you are saying, yet this ignores the 'until' in that verse. I see it meaning that they don't live again, which BTW is what a resurrection means, to live again, until the thousand years finish first. And not that they never live again, because if true that would indicate they are never raised from the dead.
And besides, the fact this involves a 2nd death, that requires that one has to live two different times, in order to die 2 different times.

DavidPT said:

IMO, it simply means the dead are physically raised back to life, thus they live again because they are bodily raised from the dead.

What I basically see some of this meaning is this. Initially there is one group of the physically dead that comprise of both the saved and the lost. At the beginning of the thousand years the saved portion of the dead rise first, thus the first resurrection.

The remainder of the dead, the lost, they don't rise until after the thousand years finish first. They rise at the end of satan's little season, thus they rise during the great white throne judgment. And since the first resurrection obviously precedes the great white throne judgment, anyone that rises in the first resurrection don't also rise in the resurrection after satan's little season, the great white throne judgment. This resurrection is a bodily resurrection, as is the first resurrection, though Amils obviously disagree with the latter.

It only stands to reason that if the rest of the dead don't live again until after the thousand years finish, some of the dead already live again before that time, meaning those of the first resurrection.

But in what sense do they live again? Bodily or spiritually? The fact the first resurrection involves those that have been literally physically martyred, how can it not be bodily? What would be the point of living again, spiritually, after one had physically died, yet prior to their bodily resurrection? Anything spiritual like that only makes sense in this life while still physically alive on earth , IMO.

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Amil are already pointed out as false, because in Revelation 20:4

4 Then I saw thrones, and those seated on them received authority to judge.

There are already two judgments. One is with thrones and those seated are given authority. That is not Jesus who needs authority sitting on one throne. The GWT is of the Lord God as one including Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Those resurrected in verse 4 stand before thrones. This can only be the church, as they are the only ones promised to rule over those on the earth. The 24 elders are the church. The thrones are the church judging those beheaded in the prior 42 months. Those beheaded are not the church, but live on the earth for 1000 years and reign with Christ as the verses claim.

grafted branch said:

But this is the problem that needs a figurative or spiritual explanation.

In Revelation 20:5 the dead<3498> live<326> after the 1,000 years. In Revelation 20:12 the dead<3498> are at the GWTJ.

It seems to me that dead<3498> is the opposite of live<326>. So how can those at the GWTJ be both dead<3498> and live<326> at the same time?

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There are many that contend if the second resurrection is physical then the first one should consequently be the same. This is faulty reasoning. The weakness of this reckoning is seen by the total ease they have in understanding and accepting the distinction between first and the second deaths in the exact same symbolic chapter – Revelation 20. They grasp without the slightest difficulty or objection that the first death is physical and natural whereas the second death is spiritual and eternal. They don’t even raise the slightest protest about viewing these same terminologies as completely diverse experiences. It is therefore very difficult to take this objection to the spiritualising of the “first resurrection” with any real seriousness.

There is the same antithetical interlocking contrast between the first/second resurrections as there is with the first/second births and the first/second deaths. If one can get their head round the spiritual/physical relationship of one, then they can surely understand the same of the others. This type of language is carefully used to both connect and differentiate between natural and spiritual realities. There are many physical realities that are also replicated in the spiritual in Scripture.

There is no greater example of a spiritual resurrection than that outlined in the vision of the valley of dry bones in the book of Ezekiel 37:13-14. There we learn, “And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves (in a supernatural spiritual resurrection), And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.”

This familiar Old Testament passage is undoubtedly immersed in metaphorical language, and is undoubtedly speaking of a spiritual resurrection of the spiritually dead. God is speaking specifically of His elect – “the whole house of Israel” (v 11) and of a widespread move of revival power. For any person to be raised from a grave requires resurrection. In this case the people are physically alive, therefore it is plainly not speaking of a physical resurrection. Therefore, we can safely deduce that these persons that are held in the awful bondage of a spiritual grave are then ‘uwbha`ªlowt or ‘brought up’ or ‘raised up’ into newness of life by means of a supernatural resurrection.

Jesus taught in John 11:25, saying, “I am the resurrection (anastasis Strong’s 0386), and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die."

Here we have the “first resurrection” mentioned (Christ’s glorious resurrection) that in turn results in a dual resurrection for the believer. To bring a believer from death to life as what we are seeing in this teaching of Christ is resurrection. The physical resurrection of Christ secured both spiritual and physical resurrection for the believer

Two resurrections result for the believer from Christ’s one resurrection. Man need spiritually redeemed and physically redeemed. When one gets saved they are spiritually redeemed. But they are not physically redeemed until resurrection day. His “first resurrection” secured both resurrections for those who will put their faith in Christ.

Jesus presents Himself as the absolute and only cure for the blight of physical and spiritual death. The eternal life He gives is therefore the complete antidote for “the second death” that Revelation 20 discusses.

Christ’s death, burial and resurrection secured two distinct, yet inextricably linked, resurrections for the believer, not one as the Premillennialists repeatedly assert; the first being a spiritual resurrection – the new birth; the second being a physical resurrection of the just. Significantly, there are many passages in Scripture, which support this biblical supposition. We must therefore keep this though very much in our mind as we examine the allegorical passage before us in Revelation 20:6.

Jesus said in John 5:24-29, referring to these two different, yet inextricably linked, resurrections, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live (speaking of our spiritual resurrection in Christ). For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life (speaking of the second or physical resurrection); and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”

There are clearly two resurrections here:

(1) Spiritual
(2) Physical

The first highlighted part here is clearly referring to the first resurrection, the spiritual resurrection that comes through having our part in Christ (Revelation 20:6). The terminology “the hour is coming, and now is” is used here and in other places to simply indicate – ‘the time is now upon us’ although it would have an immediate reality for every passing generation. The first resurrection outlined here is a spiritual resurrection pertaining solely to the elect: “the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live,” it relates to the here-and-now. The second relates to all the dead (saved and unsaved), "the hour is coming, in the which ALL that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth." It relates to the all-consummating resurrection day. The physical resurrection is therefore not restricted to the elect alone but to “the dead.” It is they in total that hear Christ’s voice, being raised to two different destinations.

DavidPT said:

But in what sense do they live again? Bodily or spiritually? The fact the first resurrection involves those that have been literally physically martyred, how can it not be bodily? What would be the point of living again, spiritually, after one had physically died, yet prior to their bodily resurrection? Anything spiritual like that only makes sense in this life while still physically alive on earth , IMO.

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So why would John call them dead in Revelation 20:12 when they are before the GWTJ? Would you say they are spiritually dead but physically resurrected in Revelation 20:12?

Timtofly said:

You left out the word "not". That is your physical explanation. Nothing figurative or "spiritual" necessary.

There is no guarantee they live again. The guarantee is they live not. A person's future choice is not a guarantee. Why is it a choice and not a definite?

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You left out the word "until", so how are you interpreting the word “until” in Revelation 20:5?

sovereigngrace said:

There are clearly two resurrections here:

(1) Spiritual
(2) Physical

The first highlighted part here is clearly referring to the first resurrection, the spiritual resurrection that comes through having our part in Christ (Revelation 20:6). The terminology “the hour is coming, and now is” is used here and in other places to simply indicate – ‘the time is now upon us’ although it would have an immediate reality for every passing generation. The first resurrection outlined here is a spiritual resurrection pertaining solely to the elect: “the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live,” it relates to the here-and-now. The second relates to all the dead (saved and unsaved), "the hour is coming, in the which ALL that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth." It relates to the all-consummating resurrection day. The physical resurrection is therefore not restricted to the elect alone but to “the dead.” It is they in total that hear Christ’s voice, being raised to two different destinations.

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So I’ll ask you the same question I asked Davidpt; why would John call them dead in Revelation 20:12 when they are before the GWTJ? Would you say they are spiritually dead but physically resurrected in Revelation 20:12?

grafted branch said:

So I’ll ask you the same question I asked Davidpt; why would John call them dead in Revelation 20:12 when they are before the GWTJ? Would you say they are spiritually dead but physically resurrected in Revelation 20:12?

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Of course they are spiritually dead but physically resurrected.

sovereigngrace said:

Of course they are spiritually dead but physically resurrected.

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Ok, thanks for that answer. Ewq1938 was arguing for the view that only the unsaved are at the GWTJ. How are you seeing the saved at the GWTJ? Would you say they are just not mentioned in Revelation 20:12 but other scriptures support that the saved are at GWTJ?

grafted branch said:

Ok, thanks for that answer. Ewq1938 was arguing for the view that only the unsaved are at the GWTJ. How are you seeing the saved at the GWTJ? Would you say they are just not mentioned in Revelation 20:12 but other scriptures support that the saved are at GWTJ?

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Hi.
These scripture highlights may help...,


Rev 11
And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”

Rev 19

And a voice came from the throne, saying, “Give praise to our God, all you His bond-servants, you who fear Him, the small and the great.”

Rev 20
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them; and they were judged, each one of them according to their deeds.

There appears to be 2 groups in Rev 20.

grafted branch said:

Ok, thanks for that answer. Ewq1938 was arguing for the view that only the unsaved are at the GWTJ. How are you seeing the saved at the GWTJ? Would you say they are just not mentioned in Revelation 20:12 but other scriptures support that the saved are at GWTJ?

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Apparently SG is arguing the same, because if he isn't he is calling the saved spiritually dead as well if any of the saved are at this judgment. In a previous post he indicated that the dead at this judgment are spiritually dead, yet physically resurrected. It would be cherry picking to claim only some of the dead are spiritually dead rather than all the dead are. If one can cherry pick like that, couldn't that also mean that only some of the dead are physically resurrected rather than all the dead are physically resurrected? No one would argue the latter, right?

jeffweedaman said:

Hi.
These scripture highlights may help...,


Rev 11
And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”

Rev 19

And a voice came from the throne, saying, “Give praise to our God, all you His bond-servants, you who fear Him, the small and the great.”

Rev 20
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them; and they were judged, each one of them according to their deeds.

There appears to be 2 groups in Rev 20.

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Do you disagree with Paul that the dead in Christ rise first, followed by the rapture of the still alive saved ones back on earth? Do you disagree with Paul that these are changed from mortal to immortal in the twinkling of an eye at the last trump at the 2nd coming? Do you disagree that to put on immortality means to never be dead again forever? If you disagree with none of these things, plus the fact that the GWTJ has to follow all of these events, how do those that put on immortality at the last trump, including the ones in the rapture, somehow manage to be standing among the dead at the GWTJ? How do they get there, and why? Even after the dead in Christ rise first, followed by the rapture, there are obviously still alive lost ppl on the planet that have to be dealt with first. Until they are all dead , how can there possibly already be the GWTJ before they are even dead first?

DavidPT said:

Apparently SG is arguing the same, because if he isn't he is calling the saved spiritually dead as well if any of the saved are at this judgment. In a previous post he indicated that the dead at this judgment are spiritually dead, yet physically resurrected. It would be cherry picking to claim only some of the dead are spiritually dead rather than all the dead are. If one can cherry pick like that, couldn't that also mean that only some of the dead are physically resurrected rather than all the dead are physically resurrected? No one would argue the latter, right?

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I’m still studying this but I’m currently leaning toward the idea that Christ was judged when he died on the cross, which could be considered the time that saved people are judged, and unsaved people are judged later.

grafted branch said:

I’m still studying this but I’m currently leaning toward the idea that Christ was judged when he died on the cross, which could be considered the time that saved people are judged, and unsaved people are judged later.

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Some argue that because the book of life is opened at the GWTJ, this indicates that there are the saved among the dead standing before God, otherwise what would be the point of the book of life being opened at this judgment. It's a fair argument, yet it ignores that the dead in Christ rising first, plus the rapture, precedes the GWTJ, and that these already put on immortality at the 2nd coming. Why would they need to put on immortality yet again, this time at the GWTJ? They wouldn't. So maybe the reason the book of life is opened at this judgment is because God looks through this book to see if any of their names can be found written in it, IOW a record book of names that has none of their names recorded in it, and because it doesn't they are cast into the LOF.


According to John 5:28-29 there are two types of resurrections. The first type---they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life

The 2nd type----they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation


It seems to me then, the first type applies to all of the following.

the dead in Christ shall rise first(1 Thessalonians 4:16)

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection(Revelation 20:6)



And that the 2nd type applies to the following.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished(Revelation 20:5)

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

DavidPT said:

Do you disagree with Paul that the dead in Christ rise first, followed by the rapture of the still alive saved ones back on earth? Do you disagree with Paul that these are changed from mortal to immortal in the twinkling of an eye at the last trump at the 2nd coming? Do you disagree that to put on immortality means to never be dead again forever? If you disagree with none of these things, plus the fact that the GWTJ has to follow all of these events, how do those that put on immortality at the last trump, including the ones in the rapture, somehow manage to be standing among the dead at the GWTJ? How do they get there, and why? Even after the dead in Christ rise first, followed by the rapture, there are obviously still alive lost ppl on the planet that have to be dealt with first. Until they are all dead , how can there possibly already be the GWTJ before they are even dead first?

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I agree with all those things Paul said and i think you know that.

All the lost who refuse to love the truth will be dead and judged at the Lords appearing.

2Pet 3
7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

2Thess 2
8 Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; 9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.
11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, 12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.


2Thess 1
3 We ought always to give thanks to God for you, brethren, as is only fitting, because your faith is greatly enlarged, and the love of each one of you toward one another grows ever greater; 4 therefore, we ourselves speak proudly of you among the churches of God for your perseverance and faith in the midst of all your persecutions and afflictions which you endure. 5 This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering.
6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed—for our testimony to you was believed.

The second coming is the GWT judgment that destroys the ungodly.

Rev 11
And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”

Matt 25
31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;

DavidPT said:

Some argue that because the book of life is opened at the GWTJ, this indicates that there are the saved among the dead standing before God, otherwise what would be the point of the book of life being opened at this judgment. It's a fair argument, yet it ignores that the dead in Christ rising first, plus the rapture, precedes the GWTJ, and that these already put on immortality at the 2nd coming. Why would they need to put on immortality yet again, this time at the GWTJ? They wouldn't. So maybe the reason the book of life is opened at this judgment is because God looks through this book to see if any of their names can be found written in it, IOW a record book of names that has none of their names recorded in it, and because it doesn't they are cast into the LOF.

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The books are also opened in Daniel 7:10, but in verse 12 the rest of the beasts had their dominion taken away and their lives prolonged.

I place the Judgment in Daniel 7 as Christ being judged and the GWTJ as the dead being judged.

DavidPT said:

According to John 5:28-29 there are two types of resurrections. The first type---they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life

The 2nd type----they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation

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I think it’s possible that the saved are resurrected but not judged. Hebrews 9:27 seems to imply that a person has to die first before they are judged, but believers have been buried and resurrected with Christ already. So while believers who have physically died await a resurrection, I don’t think they await judgment.

DavidPT said:

It seems to me then, the first type applies to all of the following.

the dead in Christ shall rise first(1 Thessalonians 4:16)

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection(Revelation 20:6)



And that the 2nd type applies to the following.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished(Revelation 20:5)

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I place those who have been beheaded, <3990> to cut off with an axe, in Revelation 20:4 as Israel. Since Israel is blind in part till the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, I place them as spiritually dead until that time. When we get to Revelation 20:9, the fire that comes down from heaven devours the unsaved and at the GWTJ all the unsaved dead are resurrected and judged.