Universal reconciliation

[nothead]

nothead - a while ago, I clicked on your name, and then poised my cursor over the "ignore" button. Then that little voice I have learned to pay attention to told me not to do it. I am going to be patient with you. After all, as a good Universalist, my faith is that we have each other for ever, or at least for ages of the ages...

Yup you the yoke on my back forever, bro...

...for better or worse, I have your back. Even though you the yoke on mine.

 

[Lazarus Short]

Yup you the yoke on my back forever, bro...

...for better or worse, I have your back. Even though you the yoke on mine.

Just as my Lord, Laz's yoke is easy, and his burden is light.

 

[nothead]

Just as my Lord, Laz's yoke is easy, and his burden is light.

You ain't Jesus brother.

Laz heavier than he thinks. Been lookin' in that skinny mirror again. I used to SELL those. Made a killing among women...

 

[Lazarus Short]

You ain't Jesus brother.

Didn't say I was. Aren't we expected to be Christlike? Remember the hippie who was asked why he had long hair and a beard? He said he wanted to look more like Jesus.

 

[nothead]

Didn't say I was. Aren't we expected to be Christlike? Remember the hippie who was asked why he had long hair and a beard? He said he wanted to look more like Jesus.

Wayell, you ain't heavy then...you my brother. I think I could sing it if I could remember. But UH...Ohh...ahh...I'd be lying sir.

 

[jerry kelso]

I sang it for you since YOU the Ramblin' Man. But instead of REPENTING of the HEEPY plethora of misdirections USUALLY instigated by MAUWI WOWEE, you turned it back on me, sir.

Stop RAMBLIN and I will stop that REPETITIVE song just for you sir. Even IF I might win a GRAMMY for mine own special variant.

And don't THEENK I didn't notice you IGNORED the only content of my last post I consider IMPORTANT sir. YOU have a definitive view on SHEMA, sir?
Spout it, or forever hold your peace, peace brotha.

nothead,

1. You never successfully rebutted the point that was made about scaring people into hell by scripture or proper logic.

2. You didn't really elaborate on the issue of unequally yoked except for your part you could answer. So you were skating the issue and avoiding the main point.

3. I already showed where you are trying to make it appear people are not doing the Shema and that you have are being hypocritical in trying to make us believe you do the Shema when you do not.

4. Since you have brought up about the Shema then you give one statement only about your view of the Shema for a new covenant person and then I will give you mine. Please use scripture to back it up clearly.

5. Spout it out, since I know you are dying to, unlike your previous posts which are not dying to because they are already dead. Why did you pick nothead? That seems to me the same as deadhead as in there is no head. No head, no mind to think with. I am really just curious why you would use that even though I am sure how you might you have come to that conclusion.
I am willing to put away with the barbs so just answer number 4 respectfully and I will do the same. Praying for you. Jerry Kelso

 

[nothead]

nothead,

1. You never successfully rebutted the point that was made about scaring people into hell by scripture or proper logic.

2. You didn't really elaborate on the issue of unequally yoked except for your part you could answer. So you were skating the issue and avoiding the main point.

3. I already showed where you are trying to make it appear people are not doing the Shema and that you have are being hypocritical in trying to make us believe you do the Shema when you do not.

4. Since you have brought up about the Shema then you give one statement only about your view of the Shema for a new covenant person and then I will give you mine. Please use scripture to back it up clearly.

5. Spout it out, since I know you are dying to, unlike your previous posts which are not dying to because they are already dead. Why did you pick nothead? That seems to me the same as deadhead as in there is no head. No head, no mind to think with. I am really just curious why you would use that even though I am sure how you might you have come to that conclusion.
I am willing to put away with the barbs so just answer number 4 respectfully and I will do the same. Praying for you. Jerry Kelso

Did you see my expose to Lazarus and em whatchamacallit? Regarding Shema? I spent about an hour and I can expound on that one

 

[jerry kelso]

Did you see my expose to Lazarus and em whatchamacallit? Regarding Shema? I spent about an hour and I can expound on that one

nothead, Post away!

 

[nothead]

nothead, Post away!

I don't want to repetez sil vous plait. Just read the old one on Shema. It is up this tree a few posts. 'Cmon sir YOU are the one who plethorizes all things.

 

[jerry kelso]

I don't want to repetez sil vous plait. Just read the old one on Shema. It is up this tree a few posts. 'Cmon sir YOU are the one who plethorizes all things.

nothead,

Plethoric is excessive quantity and it is also excessive style and pompous speech and you fit all that perfectly. Climb up the tree a few posts and bring it down here in a loving way instead of your plethoric excessive style. Jerry Kelso

 

[nothead]

nothead,

Plethoric is excessive quantity and it is also excessive style and pompous speech and you fit all that perfectly. Climb up the tree a few posts and bring it down here in a loving way instead of your plethoric excessive style. Jerry Kelso

Gee whiz you funky town.

The Shema is the HIGHEST LAW ever given man ever to the People of the PROMISE, the Jews.
AS they were about to cross thet Olde River JORDAN He did give them this Law.

And notice He was ABOUT to also give the Land of Milk and Honey, the LOVE of God shewn unto his own.
And He said em now I gotta look it UP...

4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.

10 And it shall be, when the Lord thy God shall have brought thee into the land which he sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give thee great and goodly cities, which thou buildedst not,

11 And houses full of all good things, which thou filledst not, and wells digged, which thou diggedst not, vineyards and olive trees, which thou plantedst not; when thou shalt have eaten and be full;

12 Then beware lest thou forget the Lord, which brought thee forth out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

13 Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.

14 Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;

15 (For the Lord thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the Lord thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.

...and the HEBREW is translated, HEAR oh ISRAEL, YHWH our Elohim, YHWH one.
NOW translated AMONG Hebrews as Shema Israel, Adonai Elohenu Adonai echad.
And SPEAKING of ONE God with ONE identity/name and ONE distinct Being, ELOHIM. THIS Elohim is the ONLY Elohim of itself GOD.

...and so then the Hebrews took the Land and some tried to do Shema IN THEIR FLESH and maybe some quickly gave up. And others TRIED harder IN THEIR flesh even to the end of their days. And some great rabbi recites Shema as he is getting his SKIN flayed off and all knew this love of God is TO DIE FOR. And now we come unto the SCRIBE who asks JESUS what is the Greatest Command in Mk 12.

...and what did Jesus say?

28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?

29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

So then we know whom JESUS called God, the SAME God as Abraham Isaac and Jacob. And we know what IS the Greatest Command under this sun. And we know IF we ever studied the CORRELATIONS that the Circumcision of HEART is this very thing:

Deut 30

6 And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

And a further correlation is made to Jesus and Nicodemus:

3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

And nothead makes this correlation ODDLY considering the Circumcision of the Heart is CORRELATE to the Baptism in Spirit for the Christian. Or NOT so oddly after all.

The Baptism in Spirit BRINGS Shema to our hearts in Spirit. It is the Jump and the LEAP to do Shema. It is the INNATE LOVE of ALLLL Christians upon this earth as the HIGHEST EVIDENCE of faith, THROUGH JESUS to HIS GOD.

It IS the rebirthed man EN ESPIRITU. It IS Salvation on the ROCKS. It IS the Gospel Train ON WHEELS. It is the WAY of the saints of the One True God who has ever been YHWH whom I LOVE not no hodgepodge mishmash TRINITY of God.

And this ends the Tale of Nothead. From flake to BABY CHRISTIAN. From milk to MEAT. From faith to FAITH. From vague seeing to CLEAR VIEW.

Okaydokay, JERRY. Refute this and weep in your soup. I KNEW you couldn't look back a few posts and get MY view on Shema.

 

[Lazarus Short]

This is where nothead shines!

 

[nothead]

This is where nothead shines!

How you know I was bald?

My hair is combed over.

 

[Lazarus Short]

Getting to know you, getting to know all about you...

 

[jerry kelso]

Gee whiz you funky town.

The Shema is the HIGHEST LAW ever given man ever to the People of the PROMISE, the Jews.
AS they were about to cross thet Olde River JORDAN He did give them this Law.

And notice He was ABOUT to also give the Land of Milk and Honey, the LOVE of God shewn unto his own.
And He said em now I gotta look it UP...

4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.

10 And it shall be, when the Lord thy God shall have brought thee into the land which he sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give thee great and goodly cities, which thou buildedst not,

11 And houses full of all good things, which thou filledst not, and wells digged, which thou diggedst not, vineyards and olive trees, which thou plantedst not; when thou shalt have eaten and be full;

12 Then beware lest thou forget the Lord, which brought thee forth out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

13 Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.

14 Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;

15 (For the Lord thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the Lord thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.

...and the HEBREW is translated, HEAR oh ISRAEL, YHWH our Elohim, YHWH one.
NOW translated AMONG Hebrews as Shema Israel, Adonai Elohenu Adonai echad.
And SPEAKING of ONE God with ONE identity/name and ONE distinct Being, ELOHIM. THIS Elohim is the ONLY Elohim of itself GOD.

...and so then the Hebrews took the Land and some tried to do Shema IN THEIR FLESH and maybe some quickly gave up. And others TRIED harder IN THEIR flesh even to the end of their days. And some great rabbi recites Shema as he is getting his SKIN flayed off and all knew this love of God is TO DIE FOR. And now we come unto the SCRIBE who asks JESUS what is the Greatest Command in Mk 12.

...and what did Jesus say?

28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?

29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

So then we know whom JESUS called God, the SAME God as Abraham Isaac and Jacob. And we know what IS the Greatest Command under this sun. And we know IF we ever studied the CORRELATIONS that the Circumcision of HEART is this very thing:

Deut 30

6 And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

And a further correlation is made to Jesus and Nicodemus:

3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

And nothead makes this correlation ODDLY considering the Circumcision of the Heart is CORRELATE to the Baptism in Spirit for the Christian. Or NOT so oddly after all.

The Baptism in Spirit BRINGS Shema to our hearts in Spirit. It is the Jump and the LEAP to do Shema. It is the INNATE LOVE of ALLLL Christians upon this earth as the HIGHEST EVIDENCE of faith, THROUGH JESUS to HIS GOD.

It IS the rebirthed man EN ESPIRITU. It IS Salvation on the ROCKS. It IS the Gospel Train ON WHEELS. It is the WAY of the saints of the One True God who has ever been YHWH whom I LOVE not no hodgepodge mishmash TRINITY of God.

And this ends the Tale of Nothead. From flake to BABY CHRISTIAN. From milk to MEAT. From faith to FAITH. From vague seeing to CLEAR VIEW.

Okaydokay, JERRY. Refute this and weep in your soup. I KNEW you couldn't look back a few posts and get MY view on Shema.

nothead,

1. I didn't say I couldn't look back a few posts and I didn't say I hadn't either. I was wanting you to say it in love which was pretty good except for the refute this and weep in your soup which I knew you couldn't help yourself and so your plethoric and sarcastic reputation precedes you.

2. With that said, your view of Shema is God, one in number which is strict monotheism.
I can give other translations which jews use Hebrew to show that God is a tri-une being of which I have explained in other posts.

3. The specific context in Deuteronomy 6:4 was given by the command of the Lord by Moses to the jewish nation who was under the age of the Mosaic law exclusively to the jewish nation.
There were 613 specific laws and even more statutes and commandments. It was a part of the blessing and cursing system which would decide whether or God would supernaturally bless them or bring judgement on them.
Under the Mosaic law they had to do something in order to be blessed. It was to be who they were but because of the weakness of the covenant that could not help them achieve the commandment they mostly acted in self effort and the result was sin. Israel lived in defeat more than victory. This does not mean that the law of Moses was not the best that God gave them at that time. Romans 7 shows how the law of sin and death took advantage of the law that was holy and good and made them live to the frailty of man in sin. This is the historical and dispensational fact.

4. The vehicle to teach the shema was teaching diligently to the children, by talking to them in the house, when they walk by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. They have menuzahs and wrote upon the posts etc. So they were to do everything to understand, comprehend and be a doer of the commandment all day from morning to night so it would become who they were.
In Jesus day, they were still under the Mosaic law which came because of transgressions and was till the seed should come Galatians 3:19. This didn't mean that the law would be done away with right when he was born because Christ had to preach and fulfill the law concerning his messiahship on earth before Calvary Matthew 5:17-18.
When Calvary happened the fulfilling of the law by Christ was satisfied and was no longer needed in that exact context and that is why the new covenant had to replace it fully. Romans 10:4 and Hebrews 8:6-7.

5. Jesus main message was the KOH and the KOG which dealt with the backslidden jews about the physical KOH on earth that they were promised through the Davidic Covenant Isaiah 9:6-7. This didn't happen in the Messianic earthly ministry because they rejected him by not repenting and receive the KOG in its spiritual aspect Matthew 6:33 and Luke 17:20-21.

6. This doesn't mean the Shema wasn't important because the two greatest commandments were the Shema of loving the Lord God with all their heart, mind, and soul. It was mentioned in Mark 12:29-30 and the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. After this the scribe repeated what he said and said that it was more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. Verse 34 and when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the KOG. This shows that the Shema through the commandments of the Mosaic law was not the way to be saved for they were only near the KOG.

7. In every age they had to believe the revelation they had of the redemptive plan. In Jesus day they had to believe in him that he was Messiah that would save them from their sins.
From Genesis 3:15 to Calvary men were not perfected in their salvation. Calvary brought about the perfection of being saved officially and to the uttermost. Hebrews 11:40.

8. I understand the concept if you love the Lord completely you will do everything including repenting to be saved but Deuteronomy said they had to keep the commandments and then he would circumcise their heart and their seed's heart to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

9. The Shema was to people who were to be true to the Lord by way of the commandments and it was connected to the blessings and cursing system.

10. In Jesus day in the book of Mark 12 Jesus quoted the Shema from the old testament and loving thy neighbor as thyself were the two greatest commandments. The scribe repeated the Shema and said these two commandments were better than the sacrifices of burnt offerings. It didn't mean that they were saved keeping these two commandments in that context for they had not received the KOH when they did that. Seeking and repenting in the KOG that comes without observation was how they were saved by the Messiah who was to be the lamb of God and Savior of the world that would take away their sins and the sins of the world. Matthew 4:17

11. Repenting was the way of entrance into the physical KOH in the Messiah's day. Even at that there salvation was not perfected until Christ died at Calvary. Hebrews 11:40.

12. Jesus preached the gospel of the KOH and the KOG and not his death, burial, and resurrection. It was not until after the jewish nation rejected him that he started revealing about the cross and resurrection and even after he arose he still had to convince them through the law and the prophets Luke 24:44-47.
Now the way to be saved is through believing the death, burial and resurrection message directly as the basis of salvation.

13. Today being a christian is being who you are through the power of the finished work of Christ living in us and us abiding in him.
Doing the Shema today is being perfect in love in serving him. I'll stop here and you can give a little more depth to what all you think the Shema encompasses. Jerry Kelso

 

[Hillsage]

"A new manifestation of His interest or care may give rise to a new name." Quote from the Jewish Encyclopedia.

For instance, as slaves in Egypt, Israel needed to know the name/nature of EL SHADDAI (provider). But 500 years later, a newly trained army of Israelites (not slaves anymore) under Moses needed the manifestation of a new name/nature of God, ie., YAHWEH (leads to victory). That's when the covenant changed to 'the law of Moses' and when Israel began their walk in the Shema and understanding of their 'new name' for God.

EXO 6:2 And God/Elohim spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD/Jehovah: 3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty/El Shaddai, but by my name JEHOVAH/Jehovah was I not known to them.

As I pointed out before, the GOD/Elohim that was known by 'Abraham/Issac/Jacob was not JEHOVAH' ...and this scripture proves that. Even though 'many' here believe and even posted otherwise. So also, Israel never knew God/Elohim by the name El Shaddai.

And by what name are WE to know God by in this latter dispensation of the fulfillment of his plan for the ages? We are to know the Name/nature of the God manifested by Jesus.

ISA 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

If a Gentile still wants to acknowledge the former name/nature for their God YAHWEH and His SHEMA, which was for the people of Israel until the time of Jesus who fulfilled that age ushering the new one, then they are certainly free to do so. Unfortunately their actions will not be purely those of El Elyon, the Most High God and Father of Jesus Christ. The name from which "Grace and Truth" has come, as well as forgiveness for all disregarding 'the law' ("neither do I condemn you"). But, in reality, their actions will mimic those of the name/nature they serve. And with JEHOVAH those actions corresponds with 'war and fighting and mandating an adherence to the 'letter of the law' of the law of sin and death, still today. And it spiritually bleeds into the 'warring' and 'fighting' of denominationalism

In this ages dispensation, getting 'born again' restores the prodigal spirit of BOTH JEW and GENTILE to the name/nature of the God which we are to serve, in this present age...El Elyon....Father of Jesus...and His God.

 

[nothead]

nothead,

1. I didn't say I couldn't look back a few posts and I didn't say I hadn't either. I was wanting you to say it in love which was pretty good except for the refute this and weep in your soup which I knew you couldn't help yourself and so your plethoric and sarcastic reputation precedes you.

2. With that said, your view of Shema is God, one in number which is strict monotheism.
I can give other translations which jews use Hebrew to show that God is a tri-une being of which I have explained in other posts.

It don't matter WHAT you have sir, since Shema is the HIGHEST COMMAND on the planet and beyond, even to worlds where aliens play. It is the MOST ABSOLUTE Command under THIS sun. It is NOT CONTRADICTED by any man, child or beast. Or sententious woman either, no matter HOW smart she think she is.

No demons, no principalities, no tanks or weapons of mass destruction no atomic firecracker, no thunder or lightening can ABROGATE the highest PRINCIPLE God established in PRIORITY. Sir.

3. The specific context in Deuteronomy 6:4 was given by the command of the Lord by Moses to the jewish nation who was under the age of the Mosaic law exclusively to the jewish nation.
There were 613 specific laws and even more statutes and commandments. It was a part of the blessing and cursing system which would decide whether or God would supernaturally bless them or bring judgement on them.
Under the Mosaic law they had to do something in order to be blessed. It was to be who they were but because of the weakness of the covenant that could not help them achieve the commandment they mostly acted in self effort and the result was sin. Israel lived in defeat more than victory. This does not mean that the law of Moses was not the best that God gave them at that time. Romans 7 shows how the law of sin and death took advantage of the law that was holy and good and made them live to the frailty of man in sin. This is the historical and dispensational fact.

Blah blah and simpletons blither on...if JESUS did not REITERATE Shema in MARK 12, MATTHEW 22 and LUKE 10 you might have something to say. BUT nay, AND wah wah for you sir.

4. The vehicle to teach the shema was teaching diligently to the children, by talking to them in the house, when they walk by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. They have menuzahs and wrote upon the posts etc. So they were to do everything to understand, comprehend and be a doer of the commandment all day from morning to night so it would become who they were.
In Jesus day, they were still under the Mosaic law which came because of transgressions and was till the seed should come Galatians 3:19. This didn't mean that the law would be done away with right when he was born because Christ had to preach and fulfill the law concerning his messiahship on earth before Calvary Matthew 5:17-18.
When Calvary happened the fulfilling of the law by Christ was satisfied and was no longer needed in that exact context and that is why the new covenant had to replace it fully. Romans 10:4 and Hebrews 8:6-7.

Em again you missed the whole GOSPEL, sir. Shema is FULFILLED in Christ Jesus since we can now LOVE GOD in the fullness of Spirit. Nice try though. You have something to say for MAINLINE Jibber/Jabber. Trouble is, MAINLINERS are off their rockers sir. They couldn't ROCKET around since they can't get OFF the ground. WE on the other hand are FLYING to them Pearly Gates upstairs in the sky.

5. Jesus main message was the KOH and the KOG which dealt with the backslidden jews about the physical KOH on earth that they were promised through the Davidic Covenant Isaiah 9:6-7. This didn't happen in the Messianic earthly ministry because they rejected him by not repenting and receive the KOG in its spiritual aspect Matthew 6:33 and Luke 17:20-21.

No this isn't right. They could not DO Shema in their FLESH sir. Even if they sincerely tried. AND they could not SANCTION Jesus who is the Gate to the Seal of Promise. The WAY to the Spirit Rebirth of man. And DOING Shema isn't UNTO Jesus but HIS God, sir.

6. This doesn't mean the Shema wasn't important because the two greatest commandments were the Shema of loving the Lord God with all their heart, mind, and soul. It was mentioned in Mark 12:29-30 and the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. After this the scribe repeated what he said and said that it was more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. Verse 34 and when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the KOG. This shows that the Shema through the commandments of the Mosaic law was not the way to be saved for they were only near the KOG.

OFF again, babe. He never even said this, that this man was CLOSE to the KOG, to any of HIS OWN disciples. You so far off you in the water bobbing. Sure your name ain't BOB sir?

7. In every age they had to believe the revelation they had of the redemptive plan. In Jesus day they had to believe in him that he was Messiah that would save them from their sins.
From Genesis 3:15 to Calvary men were not perfected in their salvation. Calvary brought about the perfection of being saved officially and to the uttermost. Hebrews 11:40.

Redemptive Plan is but a hybrid of Old Covenant sir. All this DISPENSATIONAL malarkey can TAKE A HIKE. And WALK to the BLACK HOLE from whence it came.

8. I understand the concept if you love the Lord completely you will do everything including repenting to be saved but Deuteronomy said they had to keep the commandments and then he would circumcise their heart and their seed's heart to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

MORE importantly a Jew who tried and tried again to DO SHEMA would be in right place to love Jesus the Messiah. EVERY attempt to love God only brings blessings, sir. As he FAILED to do Shema, and as he WANTED TO but COULD NOT do Shema, the Seal of Promise was the end product of the ATTEMPTS he did do with a right and sincere heart.

9. The Shema was to people who were to be true to the Lord by way of the commandments and it was connected to the blessings and cursing system.

...and?

10. In Jesus day in the book of Mark 12 Jesus quoted the Shema from the old testament and loving thy neighbor as thyself were the two greatest commandments. The scribe repeated the Shema and said these two commandments were better than the sacrifices of burnt offerings. It didn't mean that they were saved keeping these two commandments in that context for they had not received the KOH when they did that. Seeking and repenting in the KOG that comes without observation was how they were saved by the Messiah who was to be the lamb of God and Savior of the world that would take away their sins and the sins of the world. Matthew 4:17

They COULD have been saved by Shema, IF THEY COULD DO IT. But since flesh alone cannot do SHEMA, they were em under whatchamacallit your OTHER side of the blessings and cursings. The CURSE of the Law, sir.

11. Repenting was the way of entrance into the physical KOH in the Messiah's day. Even at that there salvation was not perfected until Christ died at Calvary. Hebrews 11:40.

...I sense you going off the beaten path here once again, sir. Maybe HUMMING again when a SONG is in order? No one HUMS in front of an audience sir...GET BACK ON TRACK. How can salvation be perfected? Salvation is WORKED OUT, and the failures placed at the altar and FORGOTTEN. Else we be mired in our failures, sir.

12. Jesus preached the gospel of the KOH and the KOG and not his death, burial, and resurrection. It was not until after the jewish nation rejected him that he started revealing about the cross and resurrection and even after he arose he still had to convince them through the law and the prophets Luke 24:44-47.
Now the way to be saved is through believing the death, burial and resurrection message directly as the basis of salvation.

Sure that is the BEGINNING of your Covenant with God. Now run your RACE as Paul did, sir. You know the GOOD FIGHT, sir?
You think your life is flutes and harps from now on, sir? PREEN yourself and make music if you are so inspired, sir? TAKE a ride on thet Olde Gospel Train and let the BREEZE blow in your face sir and just enjoy the scenery sir? Where's the SUFFERING Paul spoke of as his Authority from GOD sir? Sufferin' succotash. You ain't SUFFERING you ain't DOING gospel sir.

13. Today being a christian is being who you are through the power of the finished work of Christ living in us and us abiding in him.
Doing the Shema today is being perfect in love in serving him. I'll stop here and you can give a little more depth to what all you think the Shema encompasses.

Shema FIRST encompasses a SINGULAR God sir. You missed the FIRST thing Shema says sir.

 

[nothead]

"A new manifestation of His interest or care may give rise to a new name." Quote from the Jewish Encyclopedia.

For instance, as slaves in Egypt, Israel needed to know the name/nature of EL SHADDAI (provider). But 500 years later, a newly trained army of Israelites (not slaves anymore) under Moses needed the manifestation of a new name/nature of God, ie., YAHWEH (leads to victory). That's when the covenant changed to 'the law of Moses' and when Israel began their walk in the Shema and understanding of their 'new name' for God.

EXO 6:2 And God/Elohim spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD/Jehovah: 3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty/El Shaddai, but by my name JEHOVAH/Jehovah was I not known to them.

As I pointed out before, the GOD/Elohim that was known by 'Abraham/Issac/Jacob was not JEHOVAH' ...and this scripture proves that. Even though 'many' here believe and even posted otherwise. So also, Israel never knew God/Elohim by the name El Shaddai.

And by what name are WE to know God by in this latter dispensation of the fulfillment of his plan for the ages? We are to know the Name/nature of the God manifested by Jesus.

ISA 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

You saying this NAME is Jesus sir? Nooo. This NAME is FATHER, sir. Jesus told us a NEW NAME of God and this is ABBA, sir.

The NAME above all NAMES is that of a man, sir. That is Jesus sir. And "Father" is not the most EFFICACIOUS name since it only denoted a new dispensation of Grace and Mercy sir. "Ask in MY name," and...oh I have to look it up again:

And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

So then who is GLORIFIED? God. Whose name is UTTERED? "Jesus." And WHO is GLORIFIED, God the Father.

If a Gentile still wants to acknowledge the former name/nature for their God YAHWEH and His SHEMA, which was for the people of Israel until the time of Jesus who fulfilled that age ushering the new one, then they are certainly free to do so. Unfortunately their actions will not be purely those of El Elyon, the Most High God and Father of Jesus Christ. The name from which "Grace and Truth" has come, as well as forgiveness for all disregarding 'the law' ("neither do I condemn you"). But, in reality, their actions will mimic those of the name/nature they serve. And with JEHOVAH those actions corresponds with 'war and fighting and mandating an adherence to the 'letter of the law' of the law of sin and death, still today. And it spiritually bleeds into the 'warring' and 'fighting' of denominationalism

No, you just can't UTTER the sacred name any longer. We don't even KNOW FOR SURE the pronunciation of this name.
"Father" suffices. And asking the Father in the SON'S name is the most efficacious.

In this ages dispensation, getting 'born again' restores the prodigal spirit of BOTH JEW and GENTILE to the name/nature of the God which we are to serve, in this present age...El Elyon....Father of Jesus...and His God.

Uh, BORN AGAIN fulfills Shema. The heart IS circumcised. Now we are able to START Covenant, the NEW one.

 

[jerry kelso]

It don't matter WHAT you have sir, since Shema is the HIGHEST COMMAND on the planet and beyond, even to worlds where aliens play. It is the MOST ABSOLUTE Command under THIS sun. It is NOT CONTRADICTED by any man, child or beast. Or sententious woman either, no matter HOW smart she think she is.

No demons, no principalities, no tanks or weapons of mass destruction no atomic firecracker, no thunder or lightening can ABROGATE the highest PRINCIPLE God established in PRIORITY. Sir.



Blah blah and simpletons blither on...if JESUS did not REITERATE Shema in MARK 12, MATTHEW 22 and LUKE 10 you might have something to say. BUT nay, AND wah wah for you sir.



Em again you missed the whole GOSPEL, sir. Shema is FULFILLED in Christ Jesus since we can now LOVE GOD in the fullness of Spirit. Nice try though. You have something to say for MAINLINE Jibber/Jabber. Trouble is, MAINLINERS are off their rockers sir. They couldn't ROCKET around since they can't get OFF the ground. WE on the other hand are FLYING to them Pearly Gates upstairs in the sky.



No this isn't right. They could not DO Shema in their FLESH sir. Even if they sincerely tried. AND they could not SANCTION Jesus who is the Gate to the Seal of Promise. The WAY to the Spirit Rebirth of man. And DOING Shema isn't UNTO Jesus but HIS God, sir.



OFF again, babe. He never even said this, that this man was CLOSE to the KOG, to any of HIS OWN disciples. You so far off you in the water bobbing. Sure your name ain't BOB sir?



Redemptive Plan is but a hybrid of Old Covenant sir. All this DISPENSATIONAL malarkey can TAKE A HIKE. And WALK to the BLACK HOLE from whence it came.



MORE importantly a Jew who tried and tried again to DO SHEMA would be in right place to love Jesus the Messiah. EVERY attempt to love God only brings blessings, sir. As he FAILED to do Shema, and as he WANTED TO but COULD NOT do Shema, the Seal of Promise was the end product of the ATTEMPTS he did do with a right and sincere heart.



...and?


They COULD have been saved by Shema, IF THEY COULD DO IT. But since flesh alone cannot do SHEMA, they were em under whatchamacallit your OTHER side of the blessings and cursings. The CURSE of the Law, sir.



...I sense you going off the beaten path here once again, sir. Maybe HUMMING again when a SONG is in order? No one HUMS in front of an audience sir...GET BACK ON TRACK. How can salvation be perfected? Salvation is WORKED OUT, and the failures placed at the altar and FORGOTTEN. Else we be mired in our failures, sir.



Sure that is the BEGINNING of your Covenant with God. Now run your RACE as Paul did, sir. You know the GOOD FIGHT, sir?
You think your life is flutes and harps from now on, sir? PREEN yourself and make music if you are so inspired, sir? TAKE a ride on thet Olde Gospel Train and let the BREEZE blow in your face sir and just enjoy the scenery sir? Where's the SUFFERING Paul spoke of as his Authority from GOD sir? Sufferin' succotash. You ain't SUFFERING you ain't DOING gospel sir.



Shema FIRST encompasses a SINGULAR God sir. You missed the FIRST thing Shema says sir.

nothead,

1. The law of Moses was in the days of the Jewish theocracy with God.

2. Jesus lived at the end of the old testament law and lived under the Mosaic law and fulfilled it and then it was abolished at Calvary for it had reached its goal because it was till the seed should come.

3. The rules for living in that period were different than in the new covenant period of the church.

4. The Shema and loving thy neighbor as thyself are the two greatest commandments.

5. The Shema under the old covenant and new covenant are about obedience to God.

6. The Shema encompasses the gospel in the overall context of the result.

7. The actual gospel or good news directly is the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.

8. The actual new testament and what washes away our sins is the Blood of Jesus Christ.

9. Under the old testament the jews had to keep the 613 laws and more but keeping the commandments didn't really save the person otherwise salvation would be by the law. One could keep the moral law and only be moral and not saved. Salvation could only come through the person of Jesus Christ. Salvation through the person of Jesus Christ at the cross was perfected at Calvary. This is why though the jews were preserved for having been saved by believing in Christ in his day but were not saved completely until Christ died and in this we were perfected together Hebrews 11:40; GOD HAVING PROVIDED SOME BETTER THING FOR US, THAT THEY WITHOUT US SHOULD NOT BE MADE PERFECT!!!!!

10. Doing the law was a different ethic than the new covenant otherwise there would be no reason to seek a new covenant.
Under the law of Moses they had to do to receive or be cursed under specific judgements. Under the new covenant we do because of who we are in Christ as a new creature and we are not under the curse of those specific Mosaic law judgements.

11. The redemptive plan was before the old covenant came around and was planned before the foundation of the world and started for man in Genesis 3:15.

12. A dispensation is a stewardship and how God dealt with men through different covenants in how they were to live etc. The stewardships were through different times down through the ages of man.
Paul was given the dispensation of the Grace of God but this doesn't mean he was the only one in this period of time that did not understand the grace of God or the mystery of the church. His mission and ministry was basically to the gentiles.
This came out of his understanding of the Mosaic law being the good jew he was and kept the law perfectly better than his peers even though he realized he was sinning by killing christians even though he thought he was doing God's service. Also by God's revelation to him out in the desert he came to understand the new covenant and the mystery of the church and the grace in the new covenant church and its correlation to the law of Moses respectively to help understand the better promises of the new covenant and how the death and resurrection of Christ was the final stage in the gospel of redemption for man to be saved by the person of Jesus Christ in reality and not by the blood of bulls and goats etc.

13. The Shema is important and it is the result of performing obedience to Christ but it is not the specific vehicle to be saved or the exact basis of the gospel which is the finished work of the cross and resurrection message.

14. Nicodemus was about being born again which dealt with born of water which to a jew was the Red Sea deliverance and the second time would be by the Spirit such as Ezekiel remarked.
Nicodemus should have known this being a rabbi. But this was not the direct message of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ for even the disciples didn't understand this later when the jewish nation rejected the Messiah and were even offended in John 6. Peter also didn't understand this message and said he would not let anyone kill Jesus and Jesus said, Get thee behind me Satan for you don't savor the things of God. Peter had no idea what the gospel of the finished work was about right before Christ went to the cross and still had to be reminded after Christ arose lot alone in his earthly ministry under the Mosaic law preaching the KOH and the KOG message to the Jewish nation only and no gentiles.

15. I agree with suffering of Paul for Christ for the scripture says of which Paul was the author; If ye suffer ye shall reign.

16. There is nothing greater than the Shema of God which abides and never fails. John 3:16; For God so loved the whole world that he gave us his begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. Love is the reason and the result of all we do to obey God perfectly. I love you with agape love fulfilling the Shema by his power of the gospel of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. Jerry kelso

 

[mlepfitjw]

I'm reading a book a book whose purpose is to give "three views of hell", traditional, anihilation, and universal reconciliation. My question is, " do you think universal reconciliation is heresy?

nice what do you think?