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Yes--it IS rigged. I am definitely NOT a leftist. The Bolsheviks and the Fascists are two sides of the same coin and they BOTH reside on the left side of the political spectrum. They are both totalitarians which the banksters all favor--"keep them busy fighting each other and they won't know that we are pulling the strings toward tighter and tighter control of the masses". If the surveillance tactics of the Bush/Obama years don't send a shiver down your spine, you aren't paying attention.

The extreme right side of the political spectrum is anarchy but somewhere in the middle is where the greatest freedom for the greatest number of people rests. But the elites have ALWAYS distrusted freedom for the masses. They seek to control all through the financial institutions which they own. That is why nearly ALL of our "founding fathers" and even our Presidents opposed privately held central banks. Thomas Jefferson said:

“The [private] central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered. ”
 
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You got some of it right, Lady Crosstalk--except for who will solve the problem.

What helps workers get their fair share? Regulations. Unions.

What hurts consumers? Deregulation of banks and brokerages.

What do workers need? Affordable healthcare. Pensions. A safety net.
 
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I hate to tell you but the vast majority of Dems in Washington (and especially the Clintons) are totally sold out to the big banks (that's why the union rank-and-file deserted them this past year). The RINOs are also sold out to the big banks as well. Washington is a cesspool.

The Dems controlled the White House and Congress under Bill Clinton but he actually put anti-union measures together while he was in the White House. Look it up if you don't believe me--put "Bill Clinton and anti-unionism" in a search engine.
 
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And do you know who engineered the collapse of 1929 (which led to the Great Depression)? It was the banksters who severely and rapidly shrank the money supply--knowing that it would lead to a severe deflationary cycle.
 
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What do you think of this idea ethically? I would prefer reduced work weeks and hours, but if our society created this problem (which it has) I believe our society has to deal with it compassionately.
What makes you think that the world as we know it is going to continue on long enough for any of this
to be of concern or a future reality?
We live in the very last of the last days. Every time you watch the 6 o'clock news you are witnessing
Bible prophecy.
Don't worry about theoretical futures... watch and pray.
I prophecy that 2017 will go down with a bang!
 
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Said every generation of Christians for the past 2,000 years.

Even if it turns out to be true we are in the last of the last days, even if Jesus returned ten minutes from now, it's still not excuse for us to sit back and twiddle our thumbs in the meantime.
 
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While the imprudent decision of a substantial minority of American voters has put our nation and our world in serious jeopardy, I do not believe we are in the end times, and I especially do not believe that God planned for Trump's election. God gave mankind free will, and our enemies abroad, perhaps (or perhaps not) with the help of politically involved Americans, manipulated voters.

I believe that momentum is slowly building to uncover the truth about the dealings of this administration and this campaign, and that we can right our world again.

I think that the chaos surrounding this election happened for a purpose. Whether Trump was legitimately elected or not, his positions would still be as damaging to 99% of Americans, as devastating to the environment, as dangerous to world peace--but the possibility of collusion within his campaign may give us the opportunity to escape the horrific programs he is supporting.
 
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I think you are conflating two different topics.
 
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I think God intended everyone to contribute as they are able, including children and the aged. Sadly many children believe they have a God-given right to play until they are 26. It is the duty of family members to help build a family legacy, a legacy that will serve succeeding generations.
 
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Hmm--what happened to the Protestant Work Ethic which built this country?
 
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Hmm--what happened to the Protestant Work Ethic which built this country?

Our 'leaders' have led us away from it. They preach "work hard, play by the rules, and you'll get ahead", then they steer everyone towards college where they learn that they are far too grand to do actual work.
 
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Our 'leaders' have led us away from it. They preach "work hard, play by the rules, and you'll get ahead", then they steer everyone towards college where they learn that they are far too grand to do actual work.

Our universities have become cesspools of totalitarianism, led by the Bolshevik professors. Read about "Inverted Totalitarianism" to see where they want to lead with their "Progressivism".
 
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No, I am quoting information I learned either from Paul Krugman or perhaps Thomas Friedman. There is a word for the phenomena, which is named after the first Treasury Secretary appointed by FDR.
 
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It's a shame there is a strong inverse correlation between fertility and income in the world.


Studies also show that here in the industrialized and advanced countries, unemployment and lack of steady income force young families to postpone babies just the same as high education and good career does. The unemployed or underemployed men and men with low levels of education in low-income jobs in particular get "left behind" in the marriage and partnership market. Women with low levels of education, meanwhile, are more likely to choose fulltime motherhood in the lack of career prospects, whereas with highly educated women, career and babies go hand in hand: the more uncertain the job markets, the more likely highly eductated women are to postpone babies. Good news is that this is something that smart family policies can target to encourage women and couples to have babies more and earlier, if that's what we want.

The other side of the coin, the increasing problem with socio-economically disadvantaged men, is harder to address. The underemployed low income underprivileged men are the same men who have switched their vote from traditional left-wing labour parties to right-wing populist parties, because the populists sell the illusion that they will turn back the clock and turn it all around so that these disadvantaged underprivileged young men will be the top alpha dogs. Won't happen, but this fantasy of empowerment, apparently, is still better than the grim Darwinian reality. That's why the socio-economic loosers are also drawn to the pro-hate supremacist cults:

National Socialist Underground Trial Testimony: Defendant 'Felt Strong' as a Neo-Nazi

He said the deicisive motivation for him was that he felt good being part of a neo-Nazi group. "I felt respected. I felt good. I felt strong." He also said: "The feeling of belonging, I thought it was great."

This is probably one of our society's greatest, if not the greatest, challenge at the moment: how to ensure these underperforming boys don't get left behind and don't get duped by all these pro-hate-easy-fix ideologies that fail to address the actual problem of underachieving among too many young men: boys en masse already fare worse in school and are a minority in universities, meaning that better educated women will keep winning in the job markets. What happens when robots and automatization will steal their last traditional "male" blue-collar plumber jobs and they don't find the motivation to continue to study to become the designers, engineers and operators of those increasingly complex high-tech systems? The United States armed forces, for example, is already struggling to find well eductated recruits capable of servicing and operating the modern military technology.

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[Staff edit]. The fact that socio-economically disadvantaged men are getting left behind and lost [staff edit] comes from papers by the Population Research Institute, particularly the 2015 Family Barometer, which explores childbearing intentions in Finland, and the Yearbook of Population Research including the Nordic Demographic Symposium papers.

The populist, nativist Finns Party, which briefly surged in the 2011 parliamentary election, is a centrist working class party and thus "steals" its support protest party-like from both traditional established "little people's/blue-collar" parties, the fellow centrist-populist agrarian Centre Party and the centre-left social democratic SDP. Not so from the centre-right liberal-conservative Coalition Party. We know who votes for the Finns: working-class blue-collar non-urban men with low education. Essentially, what we call the peräkamarin pojat, literally the back bedroom boys, i.e. grownup men who still live in their mom's spare bedroom back in the woods. While all other parties are 50/50 men and women, the Finns Party stands out as a Man's Party, the last bastion. 50% of Finns Party supporters hail from traditional blue-collar jobs, as opposed to 46% for SDP and 43% for the socialist Left Party. More a workers' party than the traditional labour parties, but for males mainly.

So why are blue-collar males switching their identity from a working-class to right-wing populism and nationalist "True Finn"? Why the switch from the elite bankers/corporatists as a common enemy to "politicians" and "immigrants" and "leftists" and "liberals" and "progress" as the new enemy, us vs them?

Here in the Nordic countries it has to do with the fact that social democracy with its pro-worker policies has largely arrived. We offer our kids free education and unlimited opportunity to make great things of themselves and become whatever they want to be, regardless of their socio-economic background. So when a young guy chooses not to pursue futher education and instead becomes a fulltime man of nothing, essentially, he has only himself to blame. When he can't find it in himself to face the mirror, he has to blame the immigrants, women, feminism, politicians, the EU, globalism for stealing his chances. And the populists are there to feed the flames.

So we know the "why." What we need to do is figure how to deal with it. For example, while girls in advanced countries for a long time have read more than boys, PISA found that the gender gap has been widening and boys read even less now. A simple issue like how to get boys read more can make a huge difference. Boys underperform girls and it has to do with the way teachers still treat boys and girls differently and let "boys be boys." This is definitely something we can change.

[Staff edit].

The United States of America is a country that still cannot offer its people basic affordable and accessible health care or even clean, safe water, and that more often than not ranks with the developing countries, so the US is clearly a breed apart. It's useless to contrast the United States to the advanced Nordic countries when Latin America and the former Eastern Bloc countries would be a more appropriate frame of reference for the United States when considering the state of American society.
 
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I kind of like hearing how the more advanced countries do things.

Well then, here's a decent Guardian article, in English, on the Finnish basic income trial, with actual interviews with a couple of participants.

I, for one, am interested what comes out of this, before taking a stand for or against the UBI.
 
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[Staff edit].


Getting more godly men into the classrooms will help but overall, it is a problem of weakness among men. Some frustrated men, out of desperation, are reaching out for the opposite of what has been. But, you and I both know, as Christians, that the only answer is for men to follow Christ and take on their proper role again. Something that I am very pessimistic about in these last of the last days.


You can have your hubris for the moment. Talk to me when the elites decide to cut off the spigots. Wait until the "advanced Nordic country", Sweden, goes bankrupt from funding those who have pledged to tear democracy apart.
 
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