unGodliness

[FenderElctrc]

Let me first talk about homosexuality, but I also am going to talk a little bit about politics.

Homosexuality is a sin according to God's law given through Moses shown in the book of Leviticus. God has made man and He has made woman, not just for reproducing. There is to be a husband and there is to be a wife. The husband is to be the head over the wife, and the wife is to submit to her husband in that Godly coming together. The marriage between a man and a woman is symbolic of that between Christ and His Bride, which is the Church. Christ Jesus is the head and husband of the Church. The Church is Christ's Bride whom He loves and protects as according to scripture. It has been set up this way by God, and not a man and man, or a woman and a woman. There are certain tasks for the man and the woman that they must be together to do.

I could get real deep into that, but I see an even bigger problem rising. I'm actually going to talk about two things, politics, and humanism.

I notice here, especially in these forums, (Which is why I'm posting here) that people are dividing themselves. I see liberals bashing conservatives, and conservatives bashing liberals. I'm gonna be quite blatant when I say this, politics do not belong in the Church. They cause division and they need to get out. It's pollution. If I got Christ in me, and so do you, then according to scripture, we are one. We are one Body. Do you know what Christ prayed? He asked the Father in heaven that He would make His Bride one, like Him and His Father are. Now, if that didn't happen, then Christ's prayer was not answered. However, I do not believe that. I believe it was answered, and the true problem with this is that a lot of people who are claiming to be Christians, aren't actually Christians at all. I'm talking about the ones who will hear, "I never knew you, depart from Me you evil worker of iniquity." Jesus said that that would be many.

I'm going to ask you to examine yourselves. Read 1st John. If you want to know if your saved, if you've claimed Christ as your savior, then read that epistle, because that's exactly what John wrote it for. Many of you are on the broad path to hell. You must repent your sins. You know why I say that? Because of a lot of you aren't seeking God's will, but your own. You're not seeking what God wants, but instead, what makes you happy. No where in scripture does it say to seek happiness. No where in scripture does it say to do whatever makes you happy. That's humanism, not Christianity. But guess what? humanism has been so ingrained into us in America, Europe, Australia, and some in other parts of the world, that it's now mixed in with "christian" teachings. Let me tell you something, humanism is probably the biggest antichrist philosophies in history.

What is humanism? humanism puts man, his achievements, his happiness, his life, etc. before God. It becomes about how we want to live, instead of how God wants us to live. It becomes setting goals for our life, instead of seeking God's will for our life. It becomes "whatever makes you happy," instead of "whatever glorifies God." Let me tell you something, whether we go to heaven or not, we are to glorify God. If we must be crushed so God can be glorified, then so be it. It is not about how happy you are. It is not about your success and achievements. It is not about self-esteem and health. It's about glorifying God on this Earth. We are to give up all to Christ and surrender completely to Him. Recognize that you will most likely lose a lot of stuff. Why do I say that? Because before you become saved, you a disgusting creature who feeds on sin and lives in darkness. But, when you truly become saved, you are made a new creature and therefore can not eat the stuff you ate before without puking it up. When you are saved, God is going to take all the worldy, unGodly stuff out of your life. Anything that gets in the way of God's will, will be removed. The life of a true Christian is not an easy one. No where in scripture does ever say it'd be and easy one. In fact, Jesus said it would be a narrow one. Christ said that the world lives in darkness and they hate the light, and when the light came into the world, the world hated it, so they sought to get rid of it. We are to be bearers of the light of Christ. We are to be lamps shining brightly the light of Christ. However, some of us a bit too dusty with a really dim light. That dust is our will, our sins, our pride, etc. We are to die to self and let Christ some in us. Not leave sin, and make a little room for Christ. Jesus said that whoever dies of His sake, will find life. This is a reality that we must live in our lives. We are to give up our lives for Christ. We are to stop worrying about how happy we are, how much reputation we have, etc. Again, that's humanism, not Christianity.

So guys, do have a relationship with who you think you should be with. Seek God's will of who He wants you to be with. And guess what, it may not seem like such a great thing. But God has reason for it. Perhaps they have an ungodly area in their lives that you despise. Well, then that's a chance to work with them on that area, and you'll probably need correction too. A man and woman are to work with each other on this and love each other.

So, to sum it up, stop seeking your own will. Stop seeking what makes you happy. Start seeking Christ and His will. Scripture tells us that this world is dying, but those that do the will of the Father in heaven will have eternal life. Let Him lead your paths. He's the only one who knows what's best for you. His will is the only one that is right. If you are going by your own will, then that is the spirit of antichrist and you may not be saved.


-Philip

And guys, please, I did not write this to debate, but to correct. Let's not make this a heresy or a 'school of opinion.'

 

[BigBadWlf]

Let me first talk about homosexuality, but I also am going to talk a little bit about politics.

Homosexuality is a sin according to God's law given through Moses

No it is a sin according to your personal interpertation of a few bible verses.

shown in the book of Leviticus.

Leviticus also states that wearing clothing made of two different materials is a sin, as is shaving and wearing glasses to church. DO you follow all the laws of Leviticus? or do you pick and choose which laws to take a pass on and which laws to inflict upon others?

God has made man and He has made woman, not just for reproducing. There is to be a husband and there is to be a wife. The husband is to be the head over the wife, and the wife is to submit to her husband in that Godly coming together. The marriage between a man and a woman is symbolic of that between Christ and His Bride, which is the Church. Christ Jesus is the head and husband of the Church. The Church is Christ's Bride whom He loves and protects as according to scripture. It has been set up this way by God, and not a man and man, or a woman and a woman. There are certain tasks for the man and the woman that they must be together to do.

This same word for word “argument” was used a generation ago to justify prejudice and discrimination against interracial couples. it was an argument based solely on petty bigotries then…and nothing has changed

I notice here, especially in these forums, (Which is why I'm posting here) that people are dividing themselves. I see liberals bashing conservatives, and conservatives bashing liberals. I'm gonna be quite blatant when I say this, politics do not belong in the Church.

You complain about this yet you happily bash an entire minority

I believe it was answered, and the true problem with this is that a lot of people who are claiming to be Christians, aren't actually Christians at all. I'm talking about the ones who will hear, "I never knew you, depart from Me you evil worker of iniquity." Jesus said that that would be many.

I would not be surprised to learn that your definition of a true Christian® involves believing exactly what you do

I'm going to ask you to examine yourselves. Read 1st John. If you want to know if your saved, if you've claimed Christ as your savior, then read that epistle, because that's exactly what John wrote it for. Many of you are on the broad path to hell. You must repent your sins. You know why I say that? Because of a lot of you aren't seeking God's will, but your own.

and...I end up being un-suprised...immagine that

What is humanism? humanism puts man, his achievements, his happiness, his life, etc. before God.

Sort of like how you put your petty personal prejudices before God

The life of a true Christian is not an easy one. No where in scripture does ever say it'd be and easy one.

“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." Matthew 11:28-30

 

[tulc]

And guys, please, I did not write this to debate, but to correct.

...I'm sorry the "I know how Jesus wants you to live!" forum is in another part of CF. Maybe you could post this there instead?
tulc(just a suggestion)

 

[KCKID]

Let me first talk about homosexuality, but I also am going to talk a little bit about politics.

Homosexuality is a sin according to God's law given through Moses shown in the book of Leviticus. God has made man and He has made woman, not just for reproducing. There is to be a husband and there is to be a wife. The husband is to be the head over the wife, and the wife is to submit to her husband in that Godly coming together. The marriage between a man and a woman is symbolic of that between Christ and His Bride, which is the Church. Christ Jesus is the head and husband of the Church. The Church is Christ's Bride whom He loves and protects as according to scripture. It has been set up this way by God, and not a man and man, or a woman and a woman. There are certain tasks for the man and the woman that they must be together to do.

I could get real deep into that, but I see an even bigger problem rising. I'm actually going to talk about two things, politics, and humanism.

I notice here, especially in these forums, (Which is why I'm posting here) that people are dividing themselves. I see liberals bashing conservatives, and conservatives bashing liberals. I'm gonna be quite blatant when I say this, politics do not belong in the Church. They cause division and they need to get out. It's pollution. If I got Christ in me, and so do you, then according to scripture, we are one. We are one Body. Do you know what Christ prayed? He asked the Father in heaven that He would make His Bride one, like Him and His Father are. Now, if that didn't happen, then Christ's prayer was not answered. However, I do not believe that. I believe it was answered, and the true problem with this is that a lot of people who are claiming to be Christians, aren't actually Christians at all. I'm talking about the ones who will hear, "I never knew you, depart from Me you evil worker of iniquity." Jesus said that that would be many.

I'm going to ask you to examine yourselves. Read 1st John. If you want to know if your saved, if you've claimed Christ as your savior, then read that epistle, because that's exactly what John wrote it for. Many of you are on the broad path to hell. You must repent your sins. You know why I say that? Because of a lot of you aren't seeking God's will, but your own. You're not seeking what God wants, but instead, what makes you happy. No where in scripture does it say to seek happiness. No where in scripture does it say to do whatever makes you happy. That's humanism, not Christianity. But guess what? humanism has been so ingrained into us in America, Europe, Australia, and some in other parts of the world, that it's now mixed in with "christian" teachings. Let me tell you something, humanism is probably the biggest antichrist philosophies in history.

What is humanism? humanism puts man, his achievements, his happiness, his life, etc. before God. It becomes about how we want to live, instead of how God wants us to live. It becomes setting goals for our life, instead of seeking God's will for our life. It becomes "whatever makes you happy," instead of "whatever glorifies God." Let me tell you something, whether we go to heaven or not, we are to glorify God. If we must be crushed so God can be glorified, then so be it. It is not about how happy you are. It is not about your success and achievements. It is not about self-esteem and health. It's about glorifying God on this Earth. We are to give up all to Christ and surrender completely to Him. Recognize that you will most likely lose a lot of stuff. Why do I say that? Because before you become saved, you a disgusting creature who feeds on sin and lives in darkness. But, when you truly become saved, you are made a new creature and therefore can not eat the stuff you ate before without puking it up. When you are saved, God is going to take all the worldy, unGodly stuff out of your life. Anything that gets in the way of God's will, will be removed. The life of a true Christian is not an easy one. No where in scripture does ever say it'd be and easy one. In fact, Jesus said it would be a narrow one. Christ said that the world lives in darkness and they hate the light, and when the light came into the world, the world hated it, so they sought to get rid of it. We are to be bearers of the light of Christ. We are to be lamps shining brightly the light of Christ. However, some of us a bit too dusty with a really dim light. That dust is our will, our sins, our pride, etc. We are to die to self and let Christ some in us. Not leave sin, and make a little room for Christ. Jesus said that whoever dies of His sake, will find life. This is a reality that we must live in our lives. We are to give up our lives for Christ. We are to stop worrying about how happy we are, how much reputation we have, etc. Again, that's humanism, not Christianity.

So guys, do have a relationship with who you think you should be with. Seek God's will of who He wants you to be with. And guess what, it may not seem like such a great thing. But God has reason for it. Perhaps they have an ungodly area in their lives that you despise. Well, then that's a chance to work with them on that area, and you'll probably need correction too. A man and woman are to work with each other on this and love each other.

So, to sum it up, stop seeking your own will. Stop seeking what makes you happy. Start seeking Christ and His will. Scripture tells us that this world is dying, but those that do the will of the Father in heaven will have eternal life. Let Him lead your paths. He's the only one who knows what's best for you. His will is the only one that is right. If you are going by your own will, then that is the spirit of antichrist and you may not be saved.


-Philip

And guys, please, I did not write this to debate, but to correct. Let's not make this a heresy or a 'school of opinion.'

Whew! Thanks for presenting the sermon: "Find Christ In Your Life By Being Like Me."

Now I can 'sleep-in' this weekend.

 

[BreadAlone]

Don't listen to the above, Philip. (well, except tulc, he is kinda right..this IS Debates on Homosexuality.)

What you speak is the truth. What you speak is clearly written in Scripture. The above responses are to be expected, however, for Isaiah tells us:

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?"
And I said, "Here am I. Send me!"

He said, "Go and tell this people:
" 'Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.' Make the heart of this people calloused;
make their ears dull
and close their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed."

 

[Brieuse]

So, to sum it up, stop seeking your own will. Stop seeking what makes you happy.

So you are saying we must be "sad in Christ"?

Sounds odd.

After much prayer, my God seems happy and I am happy. I R confused with what your God is trying to say.

 

[BreadAlone]

So you are saying we must be "sad in Christ"?

Sounds odd.

After much prayer, my God seems happy and I am happy. I R confused with what your God is trying to say.

Well, what makes you happy SHOULD be what makes God happy. But, he's implying if you're a homosexual, you're not making God happy, but rather are gratifying your own sinful desires.

 

[FenderElctrc]

Guys, I have been mis-understood.

First, I do not condemn happiness. What I'm saying is that a lot of people are seeking happiness, and simply finding Christ, when what should be happening is we should be seeking Christ and through God's grace, receive peace at heart.

Second, I do not want you to be like me. In fact, I would direct you to 1John 4:1, which says to test all spirits. Test every single person's word according to God's word, including me. We all see through the glass dimly, which is exactly why we need to come together and stop dividing into all these separate groups.

Third, since when is it okay to lean on your own understanding. Interpreting the Bible by how you read it is not godly. Again, that is leaning on your own understanding. (Proverbs 3:5)

Honestly guys, where will any of this go if we act like this anyways? Christians are to be one Body, not divided into all these denominations and political groups.

 

[tulc]

Guys, I have been understood.

...are you missing a "mis" by any chance?

Honestly guys, where will any of this go if we act like this anyways? Christians are to be one Body, not divided into all these denominations and political groups.

So who gets to decide which denomination is the right one? Or the Political party that's right?
tulc(just wondering)

 

[Blockwell]

Because before you become saved, you a disgusting creature who feeds on sin and lives in darkness.

This is the real basis for Christianity as I see it. The message of salvation is meaningless without it. As such I will never be a Christian for it is not that I will not believe this, in all honesty I cannot believe this. It is nothing but a recipe for human misery and exploitation. It brings to mind a sadomasochistic deity imploring to us to chant, “Beat me! Hurt me! Call me trash!” Sick, sick, sick.

 

[tulc]

So, this still working?
tulc(a curious guy)

 

[KCKID]

So, this still working?
tulc(a curious guy)

Barely. It's still a hit and miss affair, unfortunately. If one's post gets thru' ...then it's working. If not ...then it isn't.

I would suggest for lengthy posts in particular that one save them to Microsoft Word or similar before posting. With the forum in the state that it's in, not to do so could cause 'a work of art' to be lost in cyberspace.

On the other hand, if one gets impatient waiting for the post to submit and they decide to hit the submit button again, the post might 'double-up' on the forum. I'm sure looking to the day that the problems with the forum get sorted out.

 

[Criada]

Well, what makes you happy SHOULD be what makes God happy. But, he's implying if you're a homosexual, you're not making God happy, but rather are gratifying your own sinful desires.

Again, I think we are confusing the inclination with the act here....

 

[Phinehas2]

I never knew you, depart from Me you evil worker of iniquity."

This is a good question. But what is Christianity if it is whatever people individually believe it to be? If the NT is true how would we be able to anticipate whether Jesus is going to say this to us? If we don’t believe what He taught about male and female in creation so that man and woman to be united, why would we believe this either?
The Biblical testimony of Jesus Christ is the Biblical testimony of Jesus Christ. The question for those who dispute it is not just ‘do you think it is right’, but how can you show the Jesus Christ you follow is the same Jesus Christ whose testimony is the Bible?

 

[catlover]

No it is a sin according to your personal interpertation of a few bible verses.


Leviticus also states that wearing clothing made of two different materials is a sin, as is shaving and wearing glasses to church. DO you follow all the laws of Leviticus? or do you pick and choose which laws to take a pass on and which laws to inflict upon others?


This same word for word “argument” was used a generation ago to justify prejudice and discrimination against interracial couples. it was an argument based solely on petty bigotries then…and nothing has changed




You complain about this yet you happily bash an entire minority



I would not be surprised to learn that your definition of a true Christian® involves believing exactly what you do

and...I end up being un-suprised...immagine that




Sort of like how you put your petty personal prejudices before God




“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." Matthew 11:28-30

It's funny how some people equated voting with George W. as being a Christian thing to do. If anything after that I saw the error of Evangelical Christianity or "Bible believing Christianity".

I saw who was REALLY harming America, it certainly was NOT the homosexual population, nor the "evil" liberals.

 

[KCKID]

If we don’t believe what He taught about male and female in creation so that man and woman to be united, why would we believe this either?

Does this supposedly mean, then, that male and female MUST be united? If not, then what would be the alternative?

 

[catlover]

Does this supposedly mean, then, that male and female MUST be united? If not, then what would be the alternative?

Polygamy is condoned in The Bible as are concubines...I wonder why more Christian men in America do not see that as a Biblical right?

 

[KCKID]

Polygamy is condoned in The Bible as are concubines...I wonder why more Christian men in America do not see that as a Biblical right?

Actually, I hadn't thought of that. When - scripturally speaking - was polygamy outlawed? In fact, WAS polygamy ever outlawed as such in the Bible?

Anyone?

 

[catlover]

Actually, I hadn't thought of that. When - scripturally speaking - was polygamy outlawed? In fact, WAS polygamy ever outlawed as such in the Bible?

Anyone?

Often what is used to condemn homosexuality and polygamy is the passage the two shall become one...

But I don't see any passages which specifically condemns polygamny or Solomon's concubines.

It's the Puritanical influence in America that leads many people to fixate on the alleged sinfullness of homosexual sex...

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

It's the Puritanical influence in America that leads many people to fixate on the alleged sinfullness of homosexual sex...

so romans1 has nothing to do with it then? if it doesn't, then explain why.

the biblical position on polygamy, from what i've read, is neutral. the biblical position on same-sex sex however is always referenced as a negative. Hard to say God blesses either one.