Unforgiveable sin

[~Zao~]

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You lost me

Another thread perhaps.

 

[D.A. Wright]

Another thread perhaps.

I know that history repeats itself and that prophecy is merely history foretold.

Sorry, if I can't keep it simple, I simply can't keep it.

 

[~Zao~]

I know that history repeats itself and that prophecy is merely history foretold.

Sorry, if I can't keep it simple, I simply can't keep it.

W/o the implication to other denominations it simply means if you talk the talk then walk the walk. If you interpret by law then don’t expect to receive by grace. Just as when grace is in effect law does not have any effect on that one.

 

[D.A. Wright]

W/o the implication to other denominations it simply means if you talk the talk then walk the walk. If you interpret by law then don’t expect to receive by grace. Just as when grace is in effect law does not have any effect on that one.

Law VS. Grace. Got it.

 

[nolidad]

The power and glory of the cross are in no way maligned by the very law the cross was meant to vindicate and fulfill. The devil-despised ten commandments are a transcript of Christ's character. Christ lived as we should live, and died as we should die. Atonement for sin is no excuse for sin. It really is not rocket science.

Simple question? Peter warns of "things hard to be understood" in the writings of the Great Apostle, yet everyone seems to be an expert on the Gospel according to Paul. If Paul's treatment of the law (which is often pointed out (erroneously) as being at variance with that of James and John) in passages such as those in 2 Corinthians ch. 3 is not what Peter is referring to, then pray tell exactly what are these things that can be destructive to our souls if not approached with great care?

Sometimes I think we underestimate the extreme intellect of Paul and assume that He always teaches things in simple terms, as did Christ. Paul had very sophisticated heresies to deal with (Hellenistic inroads to Christianity, etc.) and these are recorded and canonized for our use against similar schisms.

But again, it seems that practically 90% of the time proof texts for variants in Soteriology come from the Pauline epistles. I find that distractingly interesting.

No the3 law is holy and good! and yes Jesus fulfilled the demands of the law once for all time!

And I never said being perfect in Gods sight forever is an excuse for sin- that is a presumptious leap on your part.

Paul was an extraordinary intellect- But as He said incorinthians- He preached in simplicity!

But again, it seems that practically 90% of the time proof texts for variants in Soteriology come from the Pauline epistles. I find that distractingly interesting.

Well as Paul was the Apostle to the gentiles and His epistles comprise the bulk of the NT they are not the soteriological variant, but the norm as you not so subtly try to imply!
Neither Peter nor James preach a salvation maintenance by works! That is what is the variant!

Simple question? Peter warns of "things hard to be understood" in the writings of the Great Apostle, yet everyone seems to be an expert on the Gospel according to Paul. If Paul's treatment of the law (which is often pointed out (erroneously) as being at variance with that of James and John) in passages such as those in 2 Corinthians ch. 3 is not what Peter is referring to, then pray tell exactly what are these things that can be destructive to our souls if not approached with great care?

Well as yuo are implying eternal security is erroneous and twisting the Scriptures to our destruction- what do you think he means when he writes stuff like this:

Ephesians 1:4-6 King James Version (KJV)
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Ephesians 2:8-9 King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Romans 8:

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

I can paste many others from Paul. But tell me does He mean what He says here or not? If not what does he mean instead of what He wrote, how do you know, and what authority was given to you to reveal the hidden meanings behind these words????

 

[D.A. Wright]

But tell me does He mean what He says here or not?

Yes, he most certainly does. Unless you would consider him to be duplicitous.

what authority was given to you to reveal the hidden meanings behind these words????

Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
For precept must be on precept, precept on precept; line on line, line on line; here a little, and there a little:
(Isaiah 28:9-10)

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Ghost teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
(1 Corinthians 2:13)

 

[D.A. Wright]

No the3 law is holy and good! and yes Jesus fulfilled the demands of the law once for all time!

So why is it most often referred to as "the ministry of death" by evangelicals?

 

[D.A. Wright]

And I never said being perfect in Gods sight forever is an excuse for sin- that is a presumptious leap on your part.

And I never said you did. You infer too much. It is however what the bulk of evangelical Theology amounts to.

 

[D.A. Wright]

Paul was an extraordinary intellect- But as He said incorinthians- He preached in simplicity!

Then why this?

Well as yuo are implying eternal security is erroneous and twisting the Scriptures to our destruction- what do you think he means when he writes stuff like this:

Ephesians 1:4-6 King James Version (KJV)
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Ephesians 2:8-9 King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Romans 8:

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

I can paste many others from Paul. But tell me does He mean what He says here or not?

Have it your (both) way(s).

 

[D.A. Wright]

Well as Paul was the Apostle to the gentiles and His epistles comprise the bulk of the NT they are not the soteriological variant, but the norm as you not so subtly try to imply!

I am speaking of the varying means of salvation taught by the church, not Scripture itself. Try to remain calm.

 

[D.A. Wright]

Neither Peter nor James preach a salvation maintenance by works!

Who said they did? Certainly not myself.

 

[KPhillips]

Hello i was in bath and when i came ouy i say i hate allah because i thought satan whas allah and he creates the islam so people dont follow christ but later i found out allah is arabic for god and i love god and i have ocd it was just like i came out of bath and i said i hate allah. i love god and dont hate him i love the holy spirit and i love jesus did i do the unforgiveable sin i love god. Can i please get a clear answer. Thank you

Hi! I hope you are doing okay? Allah isn't the One Triune God. Jesus is fully God and fully Man, Jesus is the Son of God. I came across a video on Youtube of a student that believed in Allah, but he said the Quran led him to question his faith and how he met Jesus as his Messiah.
Take a listen, if you do, let me know your thoughts.
Find on YouTube: "Changing Tracks Mario Joseph, Muslim Imam convert to Christianity :mbomly"

Blessings!