Unforgivable sin?

[heymikey80]

oh and the scripture in 1 Cor. 3:16-17 is referring to both individual bodies and the Body of Christ as a whole. i edited my earlier post. i dont know if it showed up to you or not. but its referring to both. how can we be the temple of the Holy Ghost as a whole, but not individually? does that mean that the Holy Ghost is only present in us when we meet with each other once a week? no, we ALL are the temple of God... individually and as a whole.

Well, I disagree there, too. Again, it's not some critical issue to argue over, it's just that other views are applicable as well.

If the whole body were an eye, where would be the sense of hearing? If the whole body were an ear, where would be the sense of smell? But as it is, God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as he chose. If all were a single member, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, yet one body. ...Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. 1 Cor 12:17-20, 27

As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 1Pt 2:4-5
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A brick is not a temple. An ear is not a body. We're parts of a whole. A jar of clay is not a temple. We bring the Spirit to temple in gathering. He does things specially among His gathered people, things that He doesn't do among people alone.

 

[jazzypooh]

so does that mean that God is only with us at that time? we are the temple of God individually and as a whole. thats the whole point of the Holy Spirit dwelling within us, so that He can be there to guide us 24/7. He's our GUIDE... not just on Sundays, but everyday.

I think there are plenty of people who can't possibly have their heads together to be aware of the implications of their actions.

Many are suicidal. Others are violent enough to be a danger to themselves.

i disagree because of my past experience. i've been there. my head wasn't "together" but subconciously i knew the consequences of my actions. it was only the mercy of God that kept me from going through with it. and several other people i knew were there too, and they were fully aware of the consequences, but the mercy of God saved them.

It's clear our bodies are not directly in view here (other verses deal with our responsibility there). It's the group of believers that's in view. The destruction is reserved for those intent on destroying the communion of believers.

it can be applied to both as is the case in a lot of scriptures.

I know exactly what I said, and it doesn't bear repeating. Ever. Remember who Jesus was talking to? Remember what they said. This is not a "precision wording" case for Jesus. It shouldn't be for us, either.

the reason the words are important is because there's a difference between the 3 Persons of the Godhead. and in this scripture, Jesus makes a distinction in His words when referring to the Person of the Holy Ghost. that's why i asked, but if you don't wanna repeat it that's fine. you know you're saved, right? so why does it matter.

and i wasn't trying to debate with you. you responded to my post, and i responded to yours. and since this is one of those things that can go on and on and on, i'll end it here by saying this:

suicide is murder. murder is sin. that we do know. you can take that and do what you want with it. personally, i wouldn't take any chances. the actual word "suicide" is not in the Bible, but there has to be a line drawn somewhere, otherwise people walk around confused and thinking that its ok to kill themselves and its not. and some might even think they'll still go to heaven. i know because thats how i walked around. until somebody told me what it says in the Word of God.

Judas committed suicide and he walked with Jesus on a regular basis. do you think he went to heaven or hell?

 

[jazzypooh]

if what you're saying is true about the us being the temple of God when we meet, then that means that every single Christian in the world would have to gather together in 1 place in order to form the complete Body of Christ... thats crazy. Christ is complete in us already. that scripture is emphasizing how we need each other, because God has created each of us to do different things. so when we all come together then the Body is edified... that would be the special thing that you are referring to the HOly Ghost doing. but that doesn't mean that's the only time He's in us. the most remarkable times when God has touched me have been when i was all alone... at home... in my room... just me and the Holy Ghost. in fact, i didn't even get saved in a building with other believers. i got saved right in my bedroom! now if the Holy Ghost was not present then how did i receive my salvation? no one "led" me to Christ. His Spirit and His Word led me to Him, and had it not been for His Spirit that breathed through His Word and spoke into my being i would not be saved today. so i do not believe that He is only present when believers gather. and i do not believe that He only does "special" things when we gather. nothing is more special than salvation, and that happened to me while i was alone. sometimes there is a special level of anointing present when we gather, but that is often dependent on the level of consecration of those that are gathering. the church i just left, never had the Holy Ghost there and we gathered every Sunday. but then at other meetings i've gone to, i walked out with my life changed.

 

[heymikey80]

if what you're saying is true about the us being the temple of God when we meet, then that means that every single Christian in the world would have to gather together in 1 place in order to form the complete Body of Christ... thats crazy.

Uh, no it doesn't. Two or three is plenty. Temples aren't unique.

1 Corinthians 12 was written to -- what? An individual in Corinth? No, it was written to the congregation. It was read to the congregation. It was intended for the congregation.

And 1 Corinthians 12 explicitly says it: we aren't doing this on our own.

Christ is complete in us already. that scripture is emphasizing how we need each other, because God has created each of us to do different things. so when we all come together then the Body is edified... that would be the special thing that you are referring to the HOly Ghost doing.

... Completion in terms of sufficiency to save, yes. But clearly not complete in the sense of every perfection. We're not perfect. We have God, so we shall be made whole -- but "it is not seen what we shall be."

but that doesn't mean that's the only time He's in us.

That's true, and I never said it wasn't. I did say Paul's warning is to teachers, about the Temple of God. That's Paul's focus in the text.

If you want to project beyond his focus, that's fine. But it won't do to say Paul is warning destruction on something that he's not talking about.

Peace & Favor

 

[jazzypooh]

well, mikey this is becoming tiresome...

suicide is murder. murder is sin. thats where i stand.

Love ya! God bless you Brother!

 

[Shiversblood]

Saying that if you commite Suicide means you go to hell, is very cruel to all the people who have lost someone who has killed themselves. No living person can say if someone has gone to hell or not, Only God can.

 

[jazzypooh]

ok i see where this is going. i'm through here.

 

[heymikey80]

well, mikey this is becoming tiresome...

suicide is murder. murder is sin. thats where i stand.

Love ya! God bless you Brother!

God bless you, too sister. And yes, suicide is murder, and murder is sin, and I would never condone nor wish suicide on someone.

Or even the wish to commit suicide.

It does inestimable harm.

 

[jazzypooh]

i kinda understand what you mean. some of my family members attempted to commit suicide, but they were not successful. one is saved today. the other is saved in my heart by faith. i was devastated at the thought of losing them. i cant imagine how hurt i would have been had they been successful in their attempts. so i dont know exactly how it feels to lose someone to that, but i know what it feels like to struggle with that. there were times when i almost felt like giving up too. i cant even explain what happened to me. all i know is God saved me. but the devil attacks a lot of people with thoughts of suicide, and the church needs to really intercede for these people.

Be blessed