Understanding John's Chronology

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John did not have the convenience of punctuation marks such as we have today: ([{ - )}]. But John DID use parentheses. We discover them by study and prayer.

Here is one that it seems almost everyone misses.


Rev 11:
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

(4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
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13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
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14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; ...


For TIMING and CHRONOLOGY, follow the red letters and jump over the parenthesis in green! This is the intent of the Author!

For chronology:
Rev. 11:1
11:2
11:3
Parenthesis
11:14
11:15

Until you understand where John wrote parenthesis you will never understand John's chronology.
|--------> 42 months of trampling (probably starts just before the abomination)
|--------> 1260 days of testifying (starts just 3.5 days before the abomination)
MIDPOINT ABOMININATION
|--------> 1260 days of fleeing (starts just after the abomination)
|--------> 3.5 years of protection (starts just after the abomination)
|--------> 42 months of authority (starts a while after the abomination)

The "|" is the starting point of all 5 countdowns, but it is a staggered start. These 5 counts will not begin on the same day.

John shows us 5 parallel time channels to the end, all running parallel or simultaneously. All are to be for the last half of the week.

The intent of the Author is that the two witnesses begin their testimony just 3.5 days before the abomination, then testify for 1260 days, which will take them to just 3.5 days from the end of the week. They lay dead for those 3.5 days, and are raised back to life at the 7th vial.

Also at the 7th vial is when God will raise the rest of the Old Testament saints.

I will go one further length, the whole chapter is not a part of the actual time-line. By the time this chapter is written, the Two-witnesses have appeared long before, they appear before Rev. ch. 6 even, which is the Midway point. (Malachi 4:5-6 says so). So the 42 Months start in Rev. ch. 6. And thus the 2nd Woe happens in Rev. ch. 9.

The 3rd Woe actually happens in Rev. ch. 16, because the 3rd Woe is ALL SEVEN VIALS.

Chapter 11 is a sort of Prophetic Soliloquy if that makes sense. Its a vision that steps back from the actual time-line and delivers a sort of monologue,oration or an aside to what's going on. This is done to allow us to understand the workings of the Two-witnesses via the plagues of God, He wants us to know they have a part in these plagues and they arrive before the Beasts 42 Months start because they are Measuring the Temple so to speak and told the Beast will rule 42 Months. Thus they must arrive before the Beast, thus they die before the Beast dies (2nd Woe vs the end of the 3rd Woe = ALL SEVEN VIALS rolled into one).

Chapters 12, 13 14, 15, 17 and 18 are just like chapter 11 when you study them.

Its a good thought no doubt...you are seeing deeper than most. As per when they show up, remember, they show up to turn Israel back to God. We know God is very intelligent (NO KIDDING) or all knowing, thus if even you or I would not give the Two-Witnesses as little amount of time as three days to turn a nation back unto God, why do we think God would? I think the key is in Dan. ch. 12.

The 1290 is 30 Days before the 1260 where Israel flees Judea, its the Abomination. The 1335 is 75 Days before Israel flees Judea and 45 Days before the Abomination. I think BLESSED is he who comes to the 1335 is the Two-Witnesses showing up 1335 Days before the Second coming, does it mean Israel will be BLESSED? Yes according to Scriptures it does.

Zechariahh 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. 11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

Zechariahh 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened (Jesus Blood) to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.

So IN THAT DAY.........Israel will be BLESSED will they not? Well who brings that BLESSING? The Two-Witnesses turn Israel back to God.

Blessed is he that waits and comes to the 1335.

Dan. 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

I think the BLESSING is the TWO-WITNESSES !!

They turn Israel back unto God, what bigger Blessing could there possibly be?
 
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Since I am up drinking coffee in the wee hours with nothing else to do I will sip and post the proper Chronology of John's book of Revelation as I see it. I understand brother iamlamad thinks it is a linear chronology, but I think the proof is in the pudding.

A.) We all know the seven churches are the first three chapters, some think they are examples of periods of tome during the Church Age, could be, but its not relevant to the chronology of Revelation.

B.) I think John being called up in Revelation 4:1 when he "heard" a trumpet talking to him is a foreshadowing of the Rapture at the end of the Church Age and Jesus calling us to heaven. The 24 elders are there at the throne room also and all praise God saying Holy, holy, holy. This is of course all happening while men on earth are in the "Peace/Security Agreement" years on earth. (The first half of the 70th Week)

C.) Then in chapter five we see Jesus about to open the "Seven Seals" as he is the only one worthy enough to open them, and the Church in heaven singing Worthy is the Lamb. We know this is the Church by what is stated in verse 9, to go along with the 24 elders and John being there. And John will be there in actuality, as a Raptured Saint. Jesus redeemed who? The Church of course !! See below:

Rev. 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

We are now at the most important time-frame of the book of Revelation so I will extend a little here in this chapter. This is the Midway point of the 70th Week. This is where Dan. 9:27 says the Anti-Christ reneges on his Agreements (Covenants) and this is when 2 Thessalonians 2 says the Man of Sin is revealed. Jesus opens the first Seal and releases the Anti-Christ to go forth as a Conqueror (White Horse).

D.) Rev. ch 6 of course is the opening of the "Seven Seals" and the "Four Horses" are just a way to explain the Anti-Christ going forth at the Midway point of the 70th Week in four different stages. He Conquers (White Horse), he takes away the Peace that he feigned (Red Horse), his actions brings famine and starvation via judgment (Black Horse), and finally the Pale Green Horse represents Death and the Grave, whereas 1/4 of all mankind dies at this time. Many via war, many via famine but most in my opinion because this is the only perfect time to strike while the iron is hot, this Anti-Christ will seek to destroy all Religions at this point in time, why wait until later? That would be a dreadful mistake !! He will wipe out Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism and all religions at this Midway point in time. Of course that is what he does with Judaism/Christianity also isn't it? He chases Israel into the Wilderness, the newly converted Christian Jews will heed Jesus' words and flee, those who still follow Judaism no doubt will be murdered, they heed not Jesus' voice. The Remnant Church of Rev. 12:17 will also be killed, all who refuse the Mark of the Beast will be Martyrs. Israelis who flee will be protected for how long? 1260 Days, meaning this is the Midway point of the 70th Week. This shows the Seals being opened but does not go into much details or shall we say in depth, that comes in other chapters. Rev. 12 is Israel's FLIGHT..........Rev. 13 is the Beast arising from the Sea or the Anti-Christ Conquering Jerusalem (First Seal being opened). He goes forth to Conquer !! The Kings in league with the Beast kill off the Harlot at this point in time, (Rev. 17:16) by destroying all False Religions save the Beasts final false Religion, which God/Jesus will judge at Vial #7. This is the most important chapter in all of Revelation. Everything else is is built/designed around to this chapter.

Of course now Jesus opens the 5th Seal and its a testimony against the Beast and his evil minions, these Beheaded are told they must wait until their fellow brothers, the one not Raptured but who died for Christ or will die for Christ have been Martyred as they were. These Beheaded are seen in Rev. 20:4, they reign with Christ on earth 1000 years. The Sixth Seal is opened next, only now do the Beasts minions on earth understand they are in the Day of the Lord (Gods Wrath/Lambs Wrath) because of certain celestial events and a great earthquake. But they have been in the Day of the Lord since the First Seal was opened, its Gods Wrath, and Jesus is opening the Seals.

E.) In Rev. ch. 7 we see the 144,000 "virgins" are new Jewish Converts via the two-witnesses who show up 75 days before the Anti-Christ is released to conquer Jerusalem and becomes the Beast. God commands the Angel to SEAL them in the forehead before the Plagues/Curses are allowed to come upon the earth, meaning the Angels are to wait until the Jews are in their protected wilderness zone before the Angels release the flurry of plagues upon the nations. Thus in Rev. 18 when we hear "Come out of her my people" this is God calling Israel out of Babylon (Worlds Kingdoms) lest they receive of her plagues. So Rev. ch. 18 is the World (Babylon) receiving the Seal, Trumpet and Vial Judgments from ch. 6 through chapter 16. The 144,000 is 12 x 12 x 12 or ALL ISRAEL as a whole. For All Israel will be saved, not every Jew, but Israel as a nation will be preserved.

Then in Rev. 7:9 we again see the Church and at this time they have already married the Lamb because they have White Robes on. We are told they came out of the 2000 year Church Age (GREAT TRIBULATION = 2000 Year Church Age Tribulation) and they came out of every nation, peoples, tongue and kindred (Church). Chapters 4 and 5 happen, then the Seals are opened, the Beast comes forth, Israel Flees, the 144,000 are protected, and then we then FLASH BACK unto the Church in Heaven here who have by this time Married the Lamb. (We are shown the Marriage in Rev. 19, but its already happened here by this time !!)

F.) Rev. ch. 8 is a flash back to earth. The 7th Seal is opened, it is all Seven Trumpets rolled up into one, and the coming Seventh Trumpet is all Seven Vials rolled into one, so you could say Jesus opens or releases all of the Seals, Trumpets and Vials on mankind. Back to Rev. ch. 8, it says in verse 3 the prayers of the Saints bring forth these plagues, I imagine that is the Two-Witnesses and the Saints also. God always gives warnings like He did Nineveh, here we see the plagues come with the severity of a 1/3 of the vengeance of what will come next when the Vials are poured out. 1/3 of the trees are burnt up, 1/3 of the ships are destroyed, 1/3 of the sea is turned to blood, 1/3 of the sea creatures are killed (all commerce destroyed = Rev. 18), 1/3 of the drinking waters are poisoned. Here it gets worse than Seal #6, a 1/3 of the Sun doesn't give her light, 1/3 of the moon and 1/3 of the Stars. Now comes the Woes !!

G.) Of course the three Woes are ahead. The 5th, 6th and 7th Trumpet are the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Woes. The first Woe is a demonic force released on Mankind, their leader is named Apollyon, he is the 8th Beast of Rev. ch. 17. He is the Destroyer (over Israel from its birth) and is over the Seven Beasts, even he is the 8th Beast. These demons can harm men for 5 months but can not kill them.

The 2nd Woe is, IMHO, and Angelic Army of God, they have on Breastplates that match to a tee the High Priests of Israels Breastplates as per color etc. etc. These are ANGELS not Demons thus say the scriptures.....Rev. 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. So these Angels are not bound in the Euphrates River, they are BOUND to an APPOINTED TIME at this place and time, the Euphrates River basin. They are going to slay 1/3 of all mankind here. These are PLAGUES killing men, so says the scriptures.......Not 200 Million Men on Horses !!

Rev. 9:20
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: (Thus the 2nd Woe is finished, its a judgment brought by an Angelic Army of God.)

H.) Now we need to move to Rev. ch 16 if we are to keep the order of events !! The 3rd Woe is the Seven Vials of Gods Wrath. So if we want the true order of Revelation from chapter one until the end we have to move from the 2nd Woe to the 3rd Woe which is the Seven Vials at the end right? We can then, and only then understand that chapters 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 and even 17 and 18 are Visions that fill in different types of information/clues abiut things that were going on during the Seals, Trumpets and Vials happenings, sometimes from Israel's perspective and sometimes from the Anti-Christ/Beasts and his Minions perspectives. Sometimes its from the Two-Witnesses perspective. Sometimes its God filling us in on details not told as events actually happened, like the Harlot (False Religion) in Rev. ch. 17, being destroyed at the Midway point when the Anti-Christ made his mad maneuvers to become the Beast by Conquering Jerusalem/Israel and more than likely the whole Mediterranean Sea Region. The Sea mentioned in Rev. 13 is of course the Mediterranean Sea just like the other Six (6) Beasts were over that region also.

So the Seven Vials begin being poured out, the plagues are now not in 1/3's, they are full force, Gods Anger is running over by this point in time. All the sea creatures die now, all the ocean turns to blood, all the drinking waters are poisoned, all the ships are destroyed (COMMERCE DESTROYED Rev. 18) the sun now scorches men, grievous sores come upon men and the kingdom [of Satan/BABYLON] goes pitch black. Then the 6th Vial is poured out and the Kings of the East (Not China IMHO) who I see as Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, etc. etc. All Nations are then seduced into coming against Israel/God at Armageddon along with ALL THE NATIONS via the three "Demon Frog(s) "Spirits". Thus in reality you have a "Combined Forces" so to speak of the European Union (10 Kings) led by the Beast, the Kings of the East, and the Nations of the World. Notice in verse 12 the Kings of the East come out of the Euphrates River basin area. And then the Nations of the Earth are brought forth via he Demonic Spirits of seduction in verse 13. So the E.U. and Beast, the Arab hordes and the rest of the world all combine under the guise of BABYLON, and that is what God sees them as when the Holy Spirit destroys them, after Jesus lands on Mt. Zion.

Rev. 16:19 And the great city (Jerusalem) was divided into three parts (Earthquake), and the cities of the nations fell {Babylon FALLS} and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

So Babylon is Fallen, is fallen.

I.) Now we can go back and add in everything else, every other chapter in the book of Revelation fits into these chapters I have described above except for Rev. chapters 20-22. Even in Rev. 19, we see the Marriage of the Lamb, but in Rev. ch. 7 we see the Church already has White Robes. We see the Church and Jesus return to defeat the Beast and his minions, but we know that happened in Rev. ch. 16 where the Angel cries out, IT IS DONE !! We are not told about the Marriage Supper in Rev. ch. 16, but it happened, the Marriage Super is the Carnage of Death, weird but true, and we know there is DEATH in Rev. 16 at Armageddon. We understand that Rev. ch. 14 is the same event as Rev. ch. 16 also, the Horses have blood up to their mouths or bridles because of the Wine-press of Gods Wrath, which is just what Rev. 16:19 says ABOVE IN BOLD !! Rev. ch. 18 is Babylon being hit with all 21 Judgments of Gods Wrath, its the Worlds Governments being Conquered/Destroyed. He destroys their Commerce with the Seals, Trumpets and Vials does he not? The Kings cry and lament Babylons burning, but the same kings rejoiced when the Harlot (False Religion) was killed off in Rev. ch 17, thus they re two different entities !!

We can now go back to Rev.11, that chapters fills us in on the two-witnesses more than any other chapter. (Its a detailed vision about the Two-Witnesses) It tells us how long they preach/witness, when they die in juxtaposition to the Beasts time-line. Its only purpose is to give us greater details on the two-witnesses and their actions against mankind, the time line has already been given unto us as per the 70th Week. But this helps us understand that time-line and when the Two-Witnesses die, thus when they must also SHOW UP, since they die before the Beast they must show up before the Beast !! And that is just what Malachi 4:5-6 says. It also matches logical thinking, that Israel has to have repented before the Day of the Lord or they would not know they need to Flee Judea when they see the Abomination of Desolation.

In Rev. ch. 12 we are given a code telling us who the Woman is (Genesis 37:9) and thus we can understand the prophetic uttering in Rev. ch. 12, the Woman is Israel, who flees at the Midway point, flees to the safety of the Wilderness in Edom (Petra) where God protects her for 1260 Days, which just so happens to be the Midway point of a WHOLE WEEK doesn't it? Everything matches if we let it.

Rev. 13 as I have stated before is the Anti-Christ going forth to Conquer, as he takes Jerusalem he becomes the Seventh Beast Head of the Seven Headed Beast. Thus he becomes the last Beast. He is the Figurative Beast and thus his coming forth HEALS the Mortal Wound of the Figurative Beast. The False Prophet places an Image of the Beast in the Temple of God, IMHO, this False Prophet is an ANGRY RABBI, who detests Jesus (we know many like that), and when Israel comes to Christ as a whole he is seething with anger. He thus becomes a tool of Satan, of course. Hes the BEAST over the Religion, he has nothing to do with the Geo-political Beasts power, other than he is a faithful servant who the Geo-political Beast hearkens unto, and agrees with, the False Prophet drills it int the Beasts head that HE IS NOW GOD !! And the ONLY GOD !! And that he alone should be Worshiped as such !! Thus with such admiration by this Jewish Man, he naturally gives this man ALL POWER over ALL RELIGIONS, thus this man orders ALL RELIGIONS to be destroyed pronto !! That all happens in the Middle of the week of course. As soon as the Beast comes to power he does away with all Religions at that very moment.

Rev. 14 is the 144,000 being brought to battle with Jesus when he shows up on Mt. Zion, he of course brings the Saints with him, the Church Saints from Heaven, the 144,000 from the Wilderness. He probably raises the Tribulation Saints at this time (See Revelation 14:14) with the first cycle, then we come against the Beast and his minions, even though its really the Holy Spirit that takes him out, and thus in Revelation 14:19-20 we see the CYCLE Thrust in again, and this time the Wine-press of Gods Wrath takes out the Wicked of the earth.

Rev. 15 is just a vision of the Sven Plagues being readied in Heaven. Its a little more than that in reality, but its mostly just a testament to the coming final Judgments being readied by the Angels of God !!

Rev. 17, as I think I have made clear is the Harlot (All False Religion) being Judged by God and destroyed for her wickedness, of course God will judge the final False Prophet with HELL FIRE in Rev. 19:20 along with Anti-Christ/Beast/Little Horn.

Rev. 18 as I have stated is Babylon (World Governments) being JUDGED, with Fire and the 21 Plagues/Judgments of God. These Judgments destroys her commerce, destroy the sea creatures, burns the trees and grasses, poisons the waters, turns the sea to blood, destroys the ships and more than likely all transportation, these Judgments make the Merchants cry and weep !! Boo hoo hoo, serve the RIGHT GOD !!! Amen, I am stoked !! Lets do this Jesus !!!

Rev. ch. 19 is the Church in Heaven Marrying the Lamb then returning, its just a more detailed chapter as pertaining to what is happening in Rev. chapters 4, 5 and 7. In Rev. ch. 7 we see the Church with White Robes thus they are already married by the Midway point in time, this chapter just fills in the DETAILS so to speak, then shows the Church returning with Christ to Armageddon !!

Rev. 20-22 is after the Second Coming of course. I think I have covered the book of Revelation as per the time-line, hopefully it helps some people understand the order of things. I know it can be confusing but the Lord has been showing me these things in depth.
 
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Since I am up drinking coffee in the wee hours with nothing else to do I will sip and post the proper Chronology of John's book of Revelation as I see it.

RT, you have started your end times chronology in the wrong place.

For the whole of the bible, the right place to start is Revelation 12. The 1260 days before the war in heaven. And the time, times, half times after the war in heaven.

That's where to build from. To know where all the other 1260 days go. And where all the time, times, half time go. First half and second half of the seven years.
 
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You are the person who is saying that Revelation is straight through chronologically speaking. Why are you contradicting yourself when it comes to Revelation 12?

The 1260 days in Revelation 12:6 are before the war in heaven in Revelation 12:7-9. And the time, times, half times in 12:14 is after the war in heaven.



You are the guy rearranging Revelation 12. In the text, the time, times, half times is after the war in heaven. But you want to also have the 1260 days after the war in heaven, in spite of the fact in text the 1260 days come before the war in heaven.

It is impossible to write of two events at the same time or in the same sentence. One must write of one event, then the second event. But because one is written after does not necessarily mean it will actually take place after: they could take place at the same time.

I believe Michael has been waiting a very long time to hear that 7th angel sound his trumpet, for that is his signal that it is time to take Satan down from the heavenly realms. At the same time, those living in judea will see the abomination and flee.

What is very poor exegesis is to say these events occur during one of the seals. In General, events in one chapter will always happen AFTER the events of previous chapters, and before events in later chapters. But some people imagine they have the right and need to rearrange.

By the way, will the man of sin be there the moment someone at the wailing wall begins to flee? How about someone inside their home in Jerusalem, or perhaps in a nearby town. No, He will be in the temple and will not know when the fleeing begins. And Satan will still be somewhere in the heavenly realms. So when the fleeing begins, 12:6, nothing supernatural is needed. It will be AFTER Satan is cast down and possesses the man of sin that he goes after those fleeing. Then they will need supernatural protection.

I don't think I am contradicting myself. You will never, ever hear me say or see my write that some trumpet event will happen at some seal event. NO trumpet will sound until all 7 seals are opened, and no vial will be poured out until all 7 trumpets have sounded. This is the way John wrote it and it is God's chronology.
 
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RT, you have started your end times chronology in the wrong place.

For the whole of the bible, the right place to start is Revelation 12. The 1260 days before the war in heaven. And the time, times, half times after the war in heaven.

That's where to build from. To know where all the other 1260 days go. And where all the time, times, half time go. First half and second half of the seven years.
Revealing times, I suspect you know this is myth. This is a house of cards and will fall.

The place to begin end times in Revelation is at the 6th seal when Judgment begins.
 
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Since I am up drinking coffee in the wee hours with nothing else to do I will sip and post the proper Chronology of John's book of Revelation as I see it. I understand brother iamlamad thinks is a linear chronology, but I think the proof is in the pudding.

A.) We all know the seven churches are the first three chapters, some think they are examples of periods of tome during the Church Age, could be, but its not relevant to the chronology of Revelation.

B.) I think John being called up in Revelation 4:1 when he "heard" a trumpet talking to him is a foreshadowing of the Rapture at the end of the Church Age and Jesus calling us to heaven. The 24 elders are there at the throne room also and all praise God saying Holt, holy, holy. This is of course all happening while men on earth are in the "Peace/Security Agreement" years on earth. (70th Week)

C.) Then in chapter five we see Jesus about to open the "Seven Seals" as he is the only one worthy enough to open them, and the Church in heaven sing Worthy is the Lamb. We know this is the Church by what is stated in verse 9, to go along with the 24 elders and John being there. And John will be there in actuality. Jesus redeemed who? The Church of course !! See below:

Rev. 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

We are now at the most important time-frame of the book of Revelation so I will add a little here. This is the Midway point of the 70th Week. This is when Dan. 9:27 says the Anti-Christ reneges on his Agreements (Covenants) and this is when 2 Thessalonians 2 says the Man of Sin is revealed. Jesus opens the first Seal and releases the Anti-Christ to go forth as a Conqueror (White Horse).

D.) Rev. ch 6 of course is the opening of the "Seven Seals" and the "Four Horses" are just a way to explain the Anti-Christ going forth at the Midway point of the 70th Week in four different stages. He Conquers (White Horse), he takes away the Peace he feigned (Red Horse), his actions brings famine and starvation via judgment (Black Horse), and finally the Pale Green Horse represents Death and the Grave, whereas 1/4 of all mankind dies at this time. Many via war, many via famine but most in my opinion because this is the only perfect time to strike while the iron is hot, this Anti-Christ will see do destroy all Religions at this point in time, why wait until later? That would be a dreadful mistake !! He will wipe out Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism and all religions at this Midway point in time. Of course that is what he does with Judaism/Christianity also isn't it? He chases Israel into the Wilderness, the Christians ones heed Jesus' words and flee, those who still follow Judaism no doubt will be murdered, the heed not Jesus' voice. The Remnant Church of Rev. 17:12 will also be killed, all who refuse the Mark of the Beast will be Martyrs. Israelis who flee will be protected for how long? 1260 Days, meaning this is the Midway point of the 70th Week. This shows the Seals being opened but does not go into some details in depth, that comes in other chapters, Rev. 12 is Israel's FLIGHT..........Rev. 13 is the Beast arising from the Sea or the Anti-Christ Conquering Jerusalem (First Seal being opened). He goes forth to Conquer !! The Kings in league with the Beast kill of the Harlot at this point in time, (Rev. 17:16) by destroying all False Religions save the Beasts final false Religion, which God/Jesus will judge at Vial #7. This is the most important chapter in all of Revelation. Everything else is is built around to this chapter.

Of course Jesus opens the 5th Seal and its a testimony against the Beast and his evil minions, these Beheaded are told they must wait until their fellow brothers, the one not Raptured but who died for Christ or will die for Christ have been Martyred as the were. These Beheaded are seen in Rev. 20:4, they reign with Christ on earth 1000 years. The Sixth Seal is opened, only now do the minions on earth understand they are in the Day of the Lord (Gods Wrath/Lambs Wrath) because of certain celestial events and a great earthquake. But they have been in the Day of the Lord since the First Seal was opened, its Gods Wrath, and Jesus is opening the Seals.

E.) In Rev. ch. 7 we see the 144,000 "virgins" are new Jewish Converts via the two-witnesses who show up 75 days before the Anti-Christ is released to conquer Jerusalem and becomes the Beast. God commands the Angel to SEAL them in the forehead before the Plagues/Curses are allowed to come upon the earth, meaning they are to wait until they are in their protected wilderness zone before the Angels release the flurry of plagues upon the nations. Thus in Rev. 18 when we hear "Come out of her my people" this is God calling Israel out of Babylon (World) lest they receive of her plagues. So Rev. ch. 18 is the World (Babylon) receiving the Seal, Trumpet and Vial Judgments from ch. 6 through chapter 16. The 144,000 is 12 x 12 x 12 or ALL ISRAEL as a whole. For All Israel will be saved, not every Jew, but Israel as a nation will be preserved.

Then in Rev. 7:9 we again see the Church and at this time they have already married the Lamb because they have White Robes on. We are told they came out of the 2000 year Church Age (GREAT TRIBULATION = 2000 Year Church Age Tribulation) and they came out of every nation, peoples, tongue and kindred (Church). Chapters 4 and 5 happen the Seals are opened, the Beast comes forth, Israel Flees, the 144,000 are protected, and we then FLASH BACK unto the Church in Heaven who have by this time Married the Lamb. (We are shown the Marriage in Rev. 19, but its already happened here by this time !!)

F.) Rev. ch. 8 is a flash back to earth. The 7th Seal is opened, it is all Seven Trumpets rolled up into one, and the Seventh Trumpet is all Seven Vials rolled into one, so you could say Jesus opens or releases all of the Seals, Trumpets and Vials on mankind. Back to Rev. ch. 8, it says in verse 3 the prayers of the Saints bring forth these plagues, I imagine that is the two-witnesses also. God always gives warnings like He did Nineveh, here we see the plagues come with the severity of a 1/3 of the vengeance of what will come next when the Vials are poured out. 1/3 of the tress are burnt up, 1/3 of the ships are destroyed, 1/3 of the sea is turned to blood, 1/3 of the sea creatures are killed (commerce all), 1/3 of the drinking waters are poisoned. Here it gets worse than Seal #6, a 1/3 of the Sun doesn't give her light, 1/3 of the moon and 1/3 of the Stars. Now comes the Woes !!

G.) Of course the three Woes are ahead. The 5th, 6th and 7th Trumpet are the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Woes. The first Woe is a demonic force released on Mankind, their leader is named Apollyon, he is the 8th Beast of Rev. ch. 17. He is the Destroyer (over Israel fro m its birth) and is over the Seven Beasts, even he is the 8th Beast. These demons can harm men for 5 months but can not kill them.

The 2nd Woe is, IMHO, and Angelic Army of God, they have on Breastplates that match to a tee the High Priests Breastplates as per color etc. etc. These are ANGELS not Demons thus say the scriptures......Rev. 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. So these Angels are not bound in the Euphrates River, they are BOUND to an APPOINTED TIME at this place the Euphrates River basin. They are going to slay 1/3 of all mankind here. These are PLAGUES killing men, so says the scriptures.......

Rev. 9:20
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: (Thus the 2nd Woe is finished, its a judgment brought by an Angelic Army of God.)

H.) Now we move to Rev. ch 16 of we are to keep the order of events !! The 3rd Woe is the Seven Vials of Gods Wrath. So if we want the true order of Revelation from chapter one until the end we have to move from the 2nd Woe to the 3rd Woe which is the Seven Vials and the end right? We can then, and only then understand that chapter 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 and even 17 and 18 are Visions that fill in different things that were going on during the Seals, Trumpets and Vials happenings, sometimes from Israel's perspective and sometimes from the Anti-Christ or Beast and his Minions perspectives. Sometimes its from the Two-Witnesses perspective. Sometimes its God filling us in on details not told as it happened, like the Harlot (False Religion) being destroyed at the Midway point when the Anti-Christ made his mad maneuvers to become the Beast by Conquering Jerusalem, Israel and more than likely the whole Mediterranean Sea Region. The Sea in Rev. 13 is of course the Mediterranean Sea just like the other 6 Beasts were over that region also.

So the Seven Vials are poured out, the plagues are not in 1/3's now, they are full force, Gods Anger is running over by this point in time. All the sea creatures die, all the ocean turns to blood, all the drinking waters are poisoned, all the ships are destroyed (COMMERCE DESTROYED Rev. 18) the sun now scorches men, grievous sores come upon men and the kingdom goes pitch black. Then the 6th Vial is poured out and the Kings of the East (Not China IMHO) who I see as Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, etc. etc. all are seduced to coming against Israel, God at Armageddon along with ALL THE NATIONS via the three "Demon Frogs "Spirits". Thus in reality you have a "Combined Forces" so to speak of the European Union (10 Kings) led by the Beast, the Kings of the East, and the Nations of the World. Notice in verse 12 the Kings of the East come out of the Euphrates River basin area. And then the Nations of the Earth are brought forth via he Demon Spirits seduction in verse 13. So the E.U. and Beast, the Muslim hordes and the rest of the world all combine under the guise of BABYLON, and that is what God sees them as when the Holy Spirit destroys them, after Jesus lands on Mt. Zion.

Rev. 16:19 And the great city(Jerusalem) was divided into three parts(Earthquake), and the cities of the nations fell:(Babylon FALLS) and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

So Babylon is Fallen, is fallen.

I.) Now we can go back and add in everything else, every other chapter in the book of Revelation fits into these chapters I have described above except 20-22. Even in Rev. 19, we see the Marriage of the Lamb, but in Rev. ch. 7 we see the Church already has White Robes. We see the Church and Jesus return to defeat the Beast and his minions, but we know that happened in Rev. ch. 16 where the Angel cries out, IT IS DONE !! We are not told about the Marriage Supper but it happened, the Marriage Super is the Carnage of Death, weird but true, and we know there is DEATH in Rev. 16 at Armageddon. We understand that Rev. ch. 14 is the same event as Rev. ch. 16 also, the Horses have blood up to their mouths or bridles because of the Wine-press of Gods Wrath, which is just what Rev. 16:19 says ABOVE IN BOLD !! Rev. ch. 18 is Babylon being hit with all 21 Judgments of Gods Wrath, its the Worlds Governments being Conquered/Destroyed. He destroys their Commerce with the Seals, Trumpets and Vials does he not? The Kings cry and lament Babylon burning, but the same kings rejoiced when the Harlot (False Religion) was killed off in Rev. ch 17, thus they re two different entities !!

We can go back to Rev.11, that chapters fills us in on the two-witnesses more than any other chapter. It tells us how long they preach/witness, when they die in juxtaposition to the Beast. Its only purpose is to give us greater details in the two-witnesses and their actions against mankind, the time line has already been given unto us as per the 70th Week. But this helps us understand that time-line and when the Two-witness die, thus when they must SHOW UP, since they die before the Beast they must show up before the Beast !! And that is just what Malachi 4:5-6 says. It also matches logical thinking, that Israel has to have repented before the Day of the Lord or they would not know they need to Flee Judea when they see the Abomination of Desolation.

In Rev. ch. 12 we are given a code telling us who the Woman is (Genesis 37:9) and thus we can understand the prophetic uttering in Rev. ch. 12, the Woman, who flees at the Midway point, flees to the safety of the Wilderness in Edom (Petra) where God protects her for 1260 Days, which just so happens to be the Midway point of a WHOLE WEEK doesn't it? Everything matches if we let it.

Rev. 13 as I have stated before is the Anti-Christ going forth to Conquer, as he takes Jerusalem he becomes the Seventh Beast Head of the Seven Headed Beast. Thus he becomes the last Beast. He is the Figurative Beast and thus his coming forth HEALS the Mortal Wound of the Figurative Beast. The False Prophet places an Image of the Beast in the Temple of God, IMHO, this False Prophet is an ANGRY RABBI, who detests Jesus (we know many like that), and when Israel comes to Christ as a whole he is seething with anger. He thus becomes a tool of Satan, of course. Hes the BEAST over the Religion, he has nothing to do with the Geo-political Beasts power, other than he is a faithful servant who the Geo-political Beast hearkens to, and agrees with, that HE IS NOW GOD !! And the ONLY GOD !! And that he alone should be Worshiped as such !! Thus with such admiration by this Jewish Man, he naturally gives this man ALL POWER over ALL RELIGIONS, this this man orders ALL RELIGIONS to be destroyed pronto !! That all happens in the Middle of the week of course. As soon as the Beast comes to power he does away with all Religions at the very moment.

Rev. 14 is the 144,000 being brought to battle with Jesus when he shows up, he of course brings the Saints with him, the Church Saints from Heaven, the 144,000 from the Wilderness. H probably raises the Tribulation Saints at this time (See Revelation 14:14) with the first cycle, then we come against the Beast and his minions, even though its really the Holy Spirit that takes hi out, and thus in Revelation 14:19-20 we see the CYCLE Thrust in again, and this time the Wine-press of Gods Wrath takes our the Wicked of the earth.

Rev. 15 is just a vision of the Sven Plagues being readied in Heaven. Its a little more, but its mostly just a testament to the coming final Judgments being readied by the Angels of God !!

Rev. 17, as I think I have made clear is the Harlot (All False Religion) being Judged by God and destroyed for her wickedness, of course God will judge the final False Prophet with HELL FIRE in Rev. 19:20 along with Anti-Christ/Beast/Little Horn.

Rev. 18 as I have stated is Babylon (World Governments) being JUDGED, with Fire and the 21 Plagues/Judgments of God. These Judgments destroys her commerce, destroy the sea creatures, burns the trees and grasses, poisons the waters, turns the sea to blood, destroys the ships and more than likely all transportation, these Judgments make the Merchants cry and weep !! Boo hoo hoo, serve the RIGHT GOD !!! Amen, I am stoked !! Lets do this Jesus !!!

Rev. ch. 19 is the Church in Heaven Marrying the Lamb then returning, its just a mire detailed chapter as to what is happening in Rev. chapters 4, 5 and 7, and in Rev, 7 we see them with White Robes thus they are already married by the Midway point, this just fills in the DETAILS, then shows the Church returning with Christ to Armageddon !!

Rev. 20-22 is after the Second Coming of course. I think I have covered the book of Revelation as per the time-line, hopefully it helps some people understand the order of things. O know it can be confusing but the Lord has been showing me these things in depth.

The proof as you say, must come from those who deny Revelation is written in proper order.

I disagree on 4:1 being any kind of a hint for the rapture. It is JOHN begin called up for the purpose of God showing him what the future holds.

As for the elders, who do you suppose Jesus raised from the dead when HE rose? (Matthew 27) Could they be the elders of the Old Covenant?

Next question: were those of the Old Covenant whom Jesus took to heaven from paradise in Hades - were they too saved by Jesus' blood? Or would you imagine they were saved by the blood of the sacrifices?

Wrong about chapter 5. In chapter 5 we learn the TIMING of when Jesus got the book and prepared to begin opening the seals. That timing would be when He ascended - so around 32 or 33 AD. Make no mistake here: NO ONE ever has or ever will find 2000 years hidden in those verses or hidden between chapter 5 and chapter 6. The intent of the Author is that the first seal was opened as soon as Jesus ascended into heaven.

Anyone that imagines the first seals are end time events will have started their theory on the wrong foot, so to speak, and everything else will be off. The first seal, opened around 33 AD, will be THE CHURCH sent out with the gospel.

"This is the Midway point of the 70th Week." As I said, off in everything else! This statement is miles off from the truth. We can find the midpoint, or be very close to the midpoint, when we find the mentions of the last half of the week, given in days, in months or in years. In other words, the exact midpoint MUST BE in chapters 11-13. The exact midpoint will be marked by the 7th trumpet. You will find those in Judea begin to flee right after the 7th trumpet.

The Red, the Black and the Pale horsemen - i.e. the 2nd, 3rd and 4th seal were also opened right after the first seal, around 33 AD. they are CHURCH AGE events. Jesus confirmed that by telling us "the end is not yet." Most people miss it, but these three horsemen ride together. The while horse and horseman rides along. He is to represent the GOSPEL being taken to the world. The other horsemen represent the devil's attempts to halt the advance of the gospel. All this is HISTORY. FUTURE does not begin in Revelation until the 6th seal.

".Rev. 13 is the Beast arising from the Sea or the Anti-Christ Conquering Jerusalem (First Seal being opened). "

Readers, Douggg, as I have said, when anyone imagines that something in a later chapter happens during one of the seals, we can KNOW they are in the land of MYTH. It is absurd because the events from chapter 8 onward are events that were written INSIDE the scroll. The very scroll that had 7 seals preventing anyone from unrolling it before the proper time. ALL 7 SEALS must be opened before anything in Revelation in chapter 8 and after can come to pass.

The 5th seal are martyrs of the CHURCH AGE. The beheaded do not begin to show up in heaven until chapter 15!

This post is filled with rearranging. I cannot go any further. It is all myth.

ANY theory that must rearrange John's God given chronology is immediately suspect and WILL BE proven wrong.
 
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Revealing times, I suspect you know this is myth. This is a house of cards and will fall.

The place to begin end times in Revelation is at the 6th seal when Judgment begins.
Well you are in the right chapter. But remember, you have to quit thinking in terms of a certain Seal and the measurement must measure in juxtaposition to events, the Seals can not dictate the timing. The Beast comes forth at the First Seal conquering. Thus the 1260 starts at that moment in time via the first Seal. The event is what we have to get timed right. The Beast comes forth to conquer at the First Seal meaning that is the Anti-Christ becoming the Beast.

Revelation is not a chronological book, its just not.
 
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Well you are in the right chapter. But remember, you have to quit thinking in terms of a certain Seal and the measurement must measure in juxtaposition to events, the Seals can not dictate the timing. The Beast comes forth at the First Seal conquering. Thus the 1260 starts at that moment in time via the first Seal. The event is what we have to get timed right. The Beast comes forth to conquer at the First Seal meaning that is the Anti-Christ becoming the Beast.

Revelation is not a chronological book, its just not.
One day you will find out it IS chronological. And you will also find out the first horseman on the white horse is to represent the church with the gospel. In the mean time, you will just be in error.

One thing is certain: the book or scroll is not going to be opened up so the events inside can be read and take place until all seven seals sealing that document are opened.
 
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Revelation 19 is about the end of the vials against Babylon...Armageddon.

Revelation 20 tells of a later attack by Gog.
This evil time is not a time of the pouring out of the vials full.
It also is not the end of the world. That happens when the tares/the rest of the wicked still alive people/get take away to be cut asunder and burned. The dead of the unjust will rise and be cast into the lake of fire/also to be burned as to their bodies and souls. But their worm/seems soul will not die.
Sorry, but Rev. 16 ends the vials. What happens in chapters 17 and 18 come AFTER the final or 7th vial has ended the 70th week.
 
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Sorry, but Rev. 16 ends the vials. What happens in chapters 17 and 18 come AFTER the final or 7th vial has ended the 70th week.

Based on Matthew 10:5-7 and Galatians 1:14-18, the Gospel was taken "first" to Daniel's people for a period of about 7 years, before Paul began his ministry to the Gentiles.

This was the 70th week of Daniel when the Gospel of the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34 was taken first to the Israelites.
( See Acts 2:36, where Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel".)


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The 1260 days in Revelation 12:6 are before the war in heaven in Revelation 12:7-9. And the time, times, half times in 12:14 is after the war in heaven.
[The Third Woe events of the 7TH Trumpet]

The sequence of the 1,260 days of the Woman goes like this :
The timer begin to start at the moment the Woman begin to flee in the wilderness [Revelation 12:6]-----one minute later there is a War in Heaven [Revelation 12:7-9]---> Satan is cast out of Heaven with his angels and as soon as he arrive on the Earth he try to stop the woman ...

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Now about the Second Woe -----The Second Woe begin in Revelation 9:12-13 and will end in Revelation 11:14 just before the 7 Th Trumpet.
When the Second Woe will end 1/3 of humanity will have been killed by the strange horses like supernatural creatures who look strangely like the description of the "locusts" of the first woe [like horses prepared for battle with breastplate ]---[that people will associate with an extra-terrestrial invasion]


That will be the killing of the two witnesses and their resurrection and ascension to Heaven NEAR THE END OF THE SECOND WOE [Revelation 11:7-14] ---->WHO WILL BE THE WARNING CALL FOR THE WOMAN TO FLEE in the wilderness ...

The killing of the 2 witnesses will reveal who is the Beast who ascendeth out of the Bottomless Pit Revelation 11:7 [Revelation 9:11]-----> is the Beast /AC that the whole Earth shall wonder...Revelation 17:8 who will be empowered by Satan Revelation 13:3-5 to reign during 42 months.

The group called the Woman is determined by Revelation 11:13 those in Jerusalem who will give GLORY to God not long after they see the Two Witnesses ascending to Heaven
Revelation 11:13
13 And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell; and there were killed in the earthquake seven thousand persons: and the rest were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

---->At that moment there will be among them some Christians living in Israel who will have read this post concerning [Revelation 11:7-14 ---Revelation 17:8 and Revelation 13:3-5]and will warn the group that it is time to flee in the wilderness...
 
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The proof as you say, must come from those who deny Revelation is written in proper order.
The proof comes from God, to be honest, its nonsensical suggest it is in chronological order because everyone can see it is not. Even after I explain it you still can't see it, well that is on you brother, not me, all I can do is explain the facts. Have you ever read Daniel? You do know that is not in Chronological order also right? The facts are this, there were no chapters and verses, the English translators added all of that, these were pages of writings and visions written down but in no particular order many times.

I disagree on 4:1 being any kind of a hint for the rapture. It is JOHN begin called up for the purpose of God showing him what the future holds.

Well you can do that if you so desire, but the Church is no longer mentioned after 4:1, except as being in heaven, save the Remnant in 12:17 which is the Church Remant.

As for the elders, who do you suppose Jesus raised from the dead when HE rose? (Matthew 27) Could they be the elders of the Old Covenant?

It was not the Elders of the Church. Jesus told the thief he would be with him that day in Paradise, now go research Paradise, its not Heaven, its a holding place for the Saints, Jesus spent three days there it seems.


Wrong about chapter 5. In chapter 5 we learn the TIMING of when Jesus got the book and prepared to begin opening the seals. That timing would be when He ascended - so around 32 or 33 AD. Make no mistake here: NO ONE ever has or ever will find 2000 years hidden in those verses or hidden between chapter 5 and chapter 6. The intent of the Author is that the first seal was opened as soon as Jesus ascended into heaven.
Wrong, we went through this way back, this is WAY OUT THERE STUFF !! Chapter 5 did not happen 2000 years ago, that's just a bad understanding, and its not of God.

Anyone that imagines the first seals are end time events will have started their theory on the wrong foot, so to speak, and everything else will be off. The first seal, opened around 33 AD, will be THE CHURCH sent out with the gospel.

Again, you are lost in a world of your own making brother, the Seals are all future, I understand Matthew 24 has been used by other men to deceive many. Might need to study it more and quit listening to men.

"This is the Midway point of the 70th Week." As I said, off in everything else! This statement is miles off from the truth. We can find the midpoint, or be very close to the midpoint, when we find the mentions of the last half of the week, given in days, in months or in years. In other words, the exact midpoint MUST BE in chapters 11-13. The exact midpoint will be marked by the 7th trumpet. You will find those in Judea begin to flee right after the 7th trumpet.
There is really no use in us discussing it, when you have the SEALS 2000 years ago, its just not something we are not in the same ball bark on, and NEVER WILL BE !!

The Red, the Black and the Pale horsemen - i.e. the 2nd, 3rd and 4th seal were also opened right after the first seal, around 33 AD. they are CHURCH AGE events. Jesus confirmed that by telling us "the end is not yet." Most people miss it, but these three horsemen ride together. The while horse and horseman rides along. He is to represent the GOSPEL being taken to the world. The other horsemen represent the devil's attempts to halt the advance of the gospel. All this is HISTORY. FUTURE does not begin in Revelation until the 6th seal.
Sigh..........................................Its just way out there.

".Rev. 13 is the Beast arising from the Sea or the Anti-Christ Conquering Jerusalem (First Seal being opened). "

Readers, Douggg, as I have said, when anyone imagines that something in a later chapter happens during one of the seals, we can KNOW they are in the land of MYTH. It is absurd because the events from chapter 8 onward are events that were written INSIDE the scroll. The very scroll that had 7 seals preventing anyone from unrolling it before the proper time. ALL 7 SEALS must be opened before anything in Revelation in chapter 8 and after can come to pass.
Or you just don't get Revelation.You see about this point I am usually discussing things in depth, but the facts are we have no starting point brother.

The 5th seal are martyrs of the CHURCH AGE. The beheaded do not begin to show up in heaven until chapter 15!

This post is filled with rearranging. I cannot go any further. It is all myth.

ANY theory that must rearrange John's God given chronology is immediately suspect and WILL BE proven wrong.

No its not, its the Remnant Church and the Converted Jews. The Rapture happens before that, but of course you have Matthew 24 paralysis.

You just don't understand Revelation sir, when you get to Heaven, ask for John, ask him to explain Revelation to you and you will say, you sure your name isn't Revealing Times? He will say, no, he just heard from the Holy Spirit like I did !! :amen:
 
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The sequence of the 1,260 days of the Woman goes like this :
The timer begin to start at the moment the Woman begin to flee in the wilderness [Revelation 12:6]-----one minute later there is a War in Heaven [Revelation 12:7-9]---> Satan is cast out of Heaven with his angels and as soon as he arrive on the Earth he try to stop the woman ...
The timer for the 1260 days starts when the two witnesses begin to feed her the word of God. At the end of their testimony, on day 1185, the AoD image idol will be placed in the temple and the Jews begin fleeing into the wilderness. as the two witnesses battle against the beast for 75 days.

One minute later? We are not told how much time passes for the war to begin, nor how much earth times passes as the war takes place. What we are told is that after the war and Satan cast down to earth, he persecutes the woman of a time, times, half times - not 1260 days, nor 42 months.
 
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Now about the Second Woe -----The Second Woe begin in Revelation 9:12-13 and will end in Revelation 11:14 just before the 7 Th Trumpet.
When the Second Woe will end 1/3 of humanity will have been killed by the strange horses like supernatural creatures who look strangely like the description of the "locusts" of the first woe [like horses prepared for battle with breastplate ]---[that people will associate with an extra-terrestrial invasion]
Riberra, chapter 10 and chapter 11, the parts of it about the two witnesses is not part of the second woe, but part of John's having ate the little book in chapter 10.

The second woe ends in Chapter 9. It is the killing of a 1/3 of mankind by the army.

The two witnesses's in Chapter 11 is something completely different.

After John is told about the two witnesses, he picks back up to where he left off about the woes in Chapter 9.

That will be the killing of the two witnesses and their resurrection and ascension to Heaven NEAR THE END OF THE SECOND WOE [Revelation 11:7-14] ---->WHO WILL BE THE WARNING CALL FOR THE WOMAN TO FLEE in the wilderness ...

Riberra, in your scenario, you are having a third of mankind being killed by supernatural creatures - at the same time the world is celebrating, exchanging presents over the deaths of the two witnesses? Oblivious that a third of them are being killed. Really?
 
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The timer for the 1260 days starts when the two witnesses begin to feed her the word of God. At the end of their testimony, on day 1185, the AoD image idol will be placed in the temple and the Jews begin fleeing into the wilderness. as the two witnesses battle against the beast for 75 days.

One minute later? We are not told how much time passes for the war to begin, nor how much earth times passes as the war takes place. What we are told is that after the war and Satan cast down to earth, he persecutes the woman of a time, times, half times - not 1260 days, nor 42 months.

Revelation chapters 1 - 11 are chronological from the 1st Seal through the 6th Trumpet/ 2nd woe.

Chapters 12 -13 are chronological from the beginning of the Seals through the end of the 2nd woe.

Chapter 14 starts back at the end of the 7 Seals/ start of the 7 trumpets/ start of the Day of the Lord and goes through the previously described 6 Trumpets

Chapter 15 & 16 picks up the thread of the 7th Trumpet/ 7 angels with the bowls of wrath

Chapter 17 & 18 go back to only the 1st Trumpet, 2nd Trumpet & also the end of the 6th Trumpet/ 2nd woe (Revelation 18:4's 'come out of Babylon' refers to the great multitude gathering at the 7th Seal and the 'come up here' of the end of the 6th Trumpet/ 2nd woe)

Chapter 19 & 20 is chronological from the 6th Seal/ Day of the Lord through the end of the 7 bowls of wrath, then 21 & 22 are chronological continuations after the bowls of wrath through to the end.

where is the 'war in heaven' in the other parts of Revelation?

the war in heaven is the end of the 7th Seal/ Trumpets 1-4 & 5.

Rev 12
And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.

[the star sign of Sept. 23, 2017. more on this is a bit]

2 She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth. 3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems.

4 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it.

[where is this '1/3 of stars cast out of heaven' elsewhere in Revelation?
at the 4th Trumpet

Revelation 8

12 The fourth angel blew his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, and a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of their light might be darkened, and a third of the day might be kept from shining, and likewise a third of the night.

5 She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne,

6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days.​

[the 'wilderness' & the 'place prepared in the wilderness' are 2 different places. It's important to note that the '1260 days' & 'time, times, and half time' make a distinction between 2 different groups. More in a bit]

7 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, 8 but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

[when the dragon is thrown down, he takes a third of the stars with him, ie the 4th Trumpet]

10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God. 11 And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death.

[this is the important part right here: the kingdom of God starts right here, it starts the process but doesn't finish it until the end of the 2nd woe/ start of the 7th trumpet. The 'war in heaven' starts the kingdom of God on the physical plane. The 1st through 4th Trumpets kick Satan out of part of his earthly power.

12 Therefore, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!”

[part of the world ('heaven'/ the 'kingdom of heaven on earth' that is starting) has removed Satan, but the 'sea' & 'earth' (both symbolic, not literal) have to suffer Satan]

13 And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle so that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time.

[Let's back up a bit.

Babylon attacks 'Judea'/ Jerusalem on the 10th of Tevet, which is the 'winter & Sabbath' reference in Matthew 24:20.

This is the 'great tribulation' occurring in the 5th Seal, the start of the mark of the beast & image.


God punishes Babylon for this at the 6th Seal & the Trumpets 1-4 (= the fall of Satan out of 'heaven' & is the start of the 'hour of judgment')

After the fall of Babylon (aka the 2nd trumpet's 'burning mountain', compare with Jeremiah 51:25), the 'sign of the son of man occurs': Matthew 24:
http://biblehub.com/matthew/24-29.htm

29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

[great tribulation and then the 6th Seal & also Trumpets 1-4]

30Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

[the elect are gathered, aka the 144,000 & great multitude of Revelation 7]

Satan's mortal head wound is healed , the woman goes into the wilderness

The wilderness is somewhat synonymous with the 5 months of the locusts (the locusts being the 'angels/ messengers' of Satan that are thrown down 'from heaven' in Revelation 12:7)

the woman represents the 10 virgins (the unmarried church) and they go to the 'place in the wilderness' where they are taken care of for 1260 days. Roughly 20 days later (literally 42 months is roughly 1240 days), the foolish virgins go with the beast from the sea & earth (aka 'those who buy & sell')

at the end of the 5 months, the 'covenant is broken' in the middle of the '7'

15 The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with a flood. 16 But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river that the dragon had poured from his mouth. 17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.​

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