Ultimate Blasphemy?

[Iollain]

My question is this, why are non catholics adressing catholic doctrine? Someone explain this to me. I am quite confused.

Gee, why would a Christian be concerned about others.........hmmmm

 

[Nimrauko]

Concern and speaking on things one has no knowledge of are two different things. Several people have steady tried to show the doctrines that are pertinant to the original question, and the non-catholic Christians steadily attempt to say we are wrong and this that and the other. I merely say this, the question has been addressed and now its no longer about that but how wrong catholics are for their beliefs.

((also beings you originaly asked the question fish eaters.com is an awful unreliable website. Ask a catholic in person, dont go to a website for your answers, unless you go to the vatican website.))

Hope that made sense, and didnt upset anyone.

God Bless,
SMM

 

[sunlover1]

Concern and speaking on things one has no knowledge of are two different things. Several people have steady tried to show the doctrines that are pertinant to the original question, and the non-catholic Christians steadily attempt to say we are wrong and this that and the other. I merely say this, the question has been addressed and now its no longer about that but how wrong catholics are for their beliefs.

((also beings you originaly asked the question fish eaters.com is an awful unreliable website. Ask a catholic in person, dont go to a website for your answers, unless you go to the vatican website.))

Hope that made sense, and didnt upset anyone.

God Bless,
SMM

Yes, it made sense and was not offensive
at all.

I hope it's not offensive to note that whether
it's doctrine or not, it's a practice and
it's a concern for those of us who
have relatives and friends who are
catholic.

Blessings to you,
sunlover

 

[Nimrauko]

Yes, it made sense and was not offensive
at all.

I hope it's not offensive to note that whether
it's doctrine or not, it's a practice and
it's a concern for those of us who
have relatives and friends who are
catholic.

Blessings to you,
sunlover

I am Catholic, I find it offensive when people question or demean my faith and beliefs. I am sorry if I offended anyone beings that is not and never will be my intention.

 

[cmarie423]

So I would think you would just forget all about your mom right? It's funny how you all are so ready to condemn us. We honor Mary because she intercedes for us. She talks to Jesus and God for us. Communion is all about Jesus but, we can offer up things to her "FOR" Jesus. We honor Mary because she's Jesus's mother. Would you only remember your mother around mothers day and thats it. No. You wouldn't. Why? Because she's your mom and I'm assuming you love her. We do the same thing. We're following the 10 commandments and "honoring our father and mother"

 

[Nimrauko]

So I would think you would just forget all about your mom right? It's funny how you all are so ready to condemn us. We honor Mary because she intercedes for us. She talks to Jesus and God for us. Communion is all about Jesus but, we can offer up things to her "FOR" Jesus. We honor Mary because she's Jesus's mother. Would you only remember your mother around mothers day and thats it. No. You wouldn't. Why? Because she's your mom and I'm assuming you love her. We do the same thing. We're following the 10 commandments and "honoring our father and mother"

God bless you! I have been trying to say this, but they listen not to the voice of logic or reasoning!

 

[Oblio]

God want’s you to ignore His command to not talk to the dead (Scriptural) guess this is more profitable than just praying to GOD HIMSELF, and not just a waste of time.

They are not dead.
And you posit a Strawman, either that or YOU think that asking other Christians to pray for you is a waste of time.

 

[sunlover1]

I am Catholic, I find it offensive when people question or demean my faith and beliefs. I am sorry if I offended anyone beings that is not and never will be my intention.

I didn't demean your faith.
I was sharing my feelings.

Denominations do indeed get
bashed here, no doubt about that.
But I'm not into bashing.

As far as questioning, how did
you feel about that link in the OP?

BTW, when I was your age, I
was clueless, I commend you
for your passion for things
of God.

sunlover

 

[sunlover1]

So I would think you would just forget all about your mom right? It's funny how you all are so ready to condemn us. We honor Mary because she intercedes for us. She talks to Jesus and God for us. Communion is all about Jesus but, we can offer up things to her "FOR" Jesus. We honor Mary because she's Jesus's mother. Would you only remember your mother around mothers day and thats it. No. You wouldn't. Why? Because she's your mom and I'm assuming you love her. We do the same thing. We're following the 10 commandments and "honoring our father and mother"

Are you talking to me MissVicious?

As I said, I havent condemned anyone.

Yes, I think of my mom always.
I miss her very much, she died young.

Blessings,
sunlover

 

[cmarie423]

Are you talking to me MissVicious?

As I said, I havent condemned anyone.

Yes, I think of my mom always.
I miss her very much, she died young.

Blessings,
sunlover

No I was replying to the thread. Actually after all I've seen on here you have been the nicest I thank you for that.

 

[cmarie423]

God bless you! I have been trying to say this, but they listen not to the voice of logic or reasoning!

Thank-you

 

[Merciel]

The Word of God is pretty specific about God hearing us and how thats achieved.
1 tim2:5
KJV: For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

That's why I don't ever ask anybody else for prayers. That verse proves such an act is anti-Christian.

 

[Nimrauko]

That's why I don't ever ask anybody else for prayers. That verse proves such an act is anti-Christian.

HOW IS THAT ANTI Christian?!

Wow there are some preachers that need to step down from the pulpit if they are teaching you that crap

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

So I would think you would just forget all about your mom right? It's funny how you all are so ready to condemn us. We honor Mary because she intercedes for us. She talks to Jesus and God for us. Communion is all about Jesus but, we can offer up things to her "FOR" Jesus. We honor Mary because she's Jesus's mother. Would you only remember your mother around mothers day and thats it. No. You wouldn't. Why? Because she's your mom and I'm assuming you love her. We do the same thing. We're following the 10 commandments and "honoring our father and mother"

why wouldn't you go straight to Jesus for yourself? If I wanted something from my father, and I went to my mother..guess what she said?? GO ask your father?? What would make Mary any different?? AND, for the record....Mary is NOT my mother...she is a blessed woman, but NOT my mother. And that verse on honoring..is to earthly parents.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

HOW IS THAT ANTI Christian?!

Wow there are some preachers that need to step down from the pulpit if they are teaching you that crap

watch your language please...thank you.

 

[Nimrauko]

watch your language please...thank you.

Let me appologize to all who were offended by what I said in the post referenced in the quote.

I didnt mean to offend anyone, although people have no problem offending me.

I appologize again, and will watch what I say as to not cause offense again.

 

[aspirine]

I thought Mary was at the last supper. She was a princess and a deceple of King Jesus. What woman hater says she was not there?

 

[Nimrauko]

why wouldn't you go straight to Jesus for yourself? If I wanted something from my father, and I went to my mother..guess what she said?? GO ask your father?? What would make Mary any different?? AND, for the record....Mary is NOT my mother...she is a blessed woman, but NOT my mother. And that verse on honoring..is to earthly parents.

I am going to tackle this one first.
We (Catholics) do go straight to jesus our selves. Have you never asked someone to pray for you (Your church, or family or friends) when you were sick or were in a time of great need? Its that same concept. We pray to god and then ask mary or the saints to pray for us as well. Its not praying to mary and having her "give the message" to god. Mary and the saints are not between us and god. They are at our sides.

As far as Mary being our mother, Jesus himself gave mary to us.

26When Jesus then saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He said to His mother, "Woman, behold, your son!"
27Then He said to the disciple, "Behold, your mother!" From that hour the disciple took her into his own household.

Jesus himself said it, and that is good enough for me.

That's why I don't ever ask anybody else for prayers. That verse proves such an act is anti-Christian.

Now onto you. Again I ask: Have you never asked someone to pray for you (Your church, or family or friends) when you were sick or were in a time of great need? Its that same concept.

Now I shall give you some scripture.

James [FONT=arial, Helvetica]5:15-16:[/FONT]
And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other
so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

It is common practice in every Christian Church (I should say most, I dont know much about non denominational) to pray for the sick, or those who are in some form of trouble or need prayers. Is that sinful? I think not. Again I ask How is it anti-christian to pray for each other?

 

[IamAdopted]

As far as Mary being our mother, Jesus himself gave mary to us.


Quote:
26When Jesus then saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He said to His mother, "Woman, behold, your son!"
27Then He said to the disciple, "Behold, your mother!" From that hour the disciple took her into his own household.
Jesus himself said it, and that is good enough for me.

Jesus gave Mary to John. Not us. Mary is not our mother. For believers in Christ have a mother and this is spoken of in scripture. No where in scripture are we told anywhere that Mary is our mother. No where. We are told though we have a mother and who this mother is.

 

[Nimrauko]

Jesus gave Mary to John. Not us. Mary is not our mother. For believers in Christ have a mother and this is spoken of in scripture. No where in scripture are we told anywhere that Mary is our mother. No where. We are told though we have a mother and who this mother is.

Ok so you are saying two thousand years of Church Doctrine is wrong? I think not.

As for the intercession mary plays here is what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says :

2618 The Gospel reveals to us how Mary prays and intercedes in faith. At Cana, the mother of Jesus asks her son for the needs of a wedding feast; this is the sign of another feast - that of the wedding of the Lamb where he gives his body and blood at the request of the Church, his Bride. It is at the hour of the New Covenant, at the foot of the cross, that Mary is heard as the Woman, the new Eve, the true "Mother of all the living."

((again all the quotes I will be using comes from the catechism of the catholic church))

2674 Mary gave her consent in faith at the Annunciation and maintained it without hesitation at the foot of the Cross. Ever since, her motherhood has extended to the brothers and sisters of her Son "who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and difficulties." Jesus, the only mediator, is the way of our prayer; Mary, his mother and ours, is wholly transparent to him: she "shows the way" (hodigitria), and is herself "the Sign" of the way, according to the traditional iconography of East and West.

501 Jesus is Mary's only son, but her spiritual motherhood extends to all men whom indeed he came to save: "The Son whom she brought forth is he whom God placed as the first-born among many brethren, that is, the faithful in whose generation and formation she co-operates with a mother's love."

I hope that sheds some light upon this issue.